Erm...

I am the worst kind of person. by Kі nо Shirayuki on 2023-05-26 07:00:37 UTC Serious business Reply

I am not looking for reassurance. I am confessing something that shouldn't be kept hidden once I figured out the implications, and seeking comm consensus. I am aware, and will accept, any punishment afterwards, up to and including permanent ban and spin-off cancellation.

I have compiled some of the messages I first sent to my closest friend that I believe sufficiently detail the issue.

Right, by Ekwy on 2023-05-26 22:51:14 UTC Reply
A few thoughts, that others are extremely welcome to weigh in on. I am by no means an expert, but shall attempt to view this calmly and rationally.

First of all, the messages you sent to your friend do in no way sufficiently detail the issue, not that I necessarily want further details. Based on eight vague messages I have no way of determining whether or not active, calculated grooming has taken place. Based on the messages you seem to have been unaware of implications at the time, which I've taken to mean that in hindsight, perhaps some of that behaviour was inappropriate. I have no way of knowing that. But "grooming" is a specific thing, with a specific meaning, not a word to throw around lightly, so here's what I do know.
- Talking about sexuality with a younger sibling is not abuse. They might have questions that you, as an older sibling, might be equipped to answer, or just be curious. Being honest and having open communication about those topics is a perfectly normal thing. It's not grooming. I don't know the details, and I don't want to know them, but there's nothing inherently wrong with the topic.
- Letting a younger sibling listen to implicit song lyrics is also not abuse. You could just be wanting to show off a cool artist or a good song that you like. You even appeared to wait until they were older to show them a particular song, indicating that you deemed that one inappropriate. That is not abuser behaviour. Groomers have no concept of inappropriate, and they don't care if they make someone uncomfortable. The intention of a groomer is to constantly push boundaries and get closer to their intended victim. A groomer is aware of what they're doing. You can't groom someone by accident.
I am not asking for more details, but I am asking you to look within yourself and see if there was an intention of hurt and manipulation. The PPC Posting Board can't decide that for you. We are not your judge, jury or executioner based on eight messages where you proclaim yourself an abuser and not accepting arguments against it.

You came to the Board for confession, accepting whatever punishment we decided on, but I for one am not going to sign off on any punishment here. What I am going to do is to ask you, with every fiber of my being, is to please talk to a therapist. You have a lot on your mind, and a conscience that's weighing you down, and you seem in desperate need of a professional who can help you figure out all your thoughts.

You seem very worried that you are a bad person. For what it's worth, abusers don't usually worry so much about things like that.

/Ekwy

Fourthed. by Lily Winterwood on 2023-05-27 15:15:41 UTC Reply

Especially the bit about therapy. To be blunt, this Board isn't a confessional or a court of law; internet strangers are really not the people you want to display so much emotional vulnerability to. So, Yuki, please find a therapist, or at least someone you can talk to whenever you feel like you might be catastrophising. Like, this isn't the first time you've worked yourself up about something and had to be told to walk things back, and I wonder how much of this cycle can be averted by you venting to someone who knows you much better (and preferably offline, not on the Board), who can offer you more of a voice of reason.

I hope this doesn't come off as too harsh. I think I'm not the only person here who is worried about you. I hope you find the help you need.
Hundred percent agreed by Delta Juliette on 2023-05-27 03:30:26 UTC Reply

Grooming is a set of actions performed with active intent to cause harm- it is categorically impossible to do so without being aware of what you are doing.

And secondly... To amplify what Ekwy is saying further, this feels a lot like self-harm by deliberately inflicting shame and fear on yourself. Please, please talk to a therapist; I also am not going to sign off on any punishment. As the confessor you've appointed, Ki, I hereby say "this doesn't sound like you've done anything significantly wrong", and also, "please try to find acceptance and forgiveness for yourself"; if being hard on yourself was going to work, it would have worked by now.

-Delta
Thank you for your honest answer, and by Kі nо Shirayuki on 2023-05-27 02:17:48 UTC Reply

I apologize for bringing up distressing issues multiple times.
I would like to second all of this, especially the therapy. (nm) by Linstar on 2023-05-26 23:14:20 UTC Reply

Erm... by Linstar on 2023-05-26 21:04:16 UTC Edited Reply

What.

I don't think I am really eqipped to talk about this, but from a cursory glance, this does not seem to be grooming, or a bannable offence.

-Ls
I'm not going to participate in this thread. by Neshomeh on 2023-05-26 20:46:23 UTC Reply

For various reasons, but mainly that I'm not in the best mental health state at the moment. Those with clearer heads should decide what, if anything, needs to be done with this.

~Neshomeh
Discord Blacklist warning: 10 & 11. (nm) by Huinesoron on 2023-05-26 07:44:11 UTC Reply