Subject: I think you have everyone here's blessing on such a pursue
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Posted on: 2014-09-16 17:44:00 UTC
Pun intended! But seriously, since it has been already said by Lily that is allowed, please, for the love of God, please do it!
Hogwarts School of Prayer and Miracles.
According to the author's note someone wanted to make a "family-friendly" version of Harry Potter for their children, but I'm not entirely sure if this is a trollfic or not.
I will warn that it does do a lot of religious stereotyping, Christian or otherwise, so if that's not your cup of tea, don't read it.
I really think it is just a trollfic since the author has Luna Lovegood kind of appear out of nowhere (she is essentially a hippie in this if you must know.) Not to mention the only one in their house, or as the author calls them sorting hats, is Harry himself. Also apparently the Weasleys have multiplied while I wasn't looking since the author describes the table as being packed full of Ron's family. Which leads into a very funny mental image since they are in SLytherin and I am imagining the canonical Snapes reaction to such an event.
Just a guess, but the more positive 'women should do this instead' sounds to me like it would fit either Southern Baptist or Assemblies of God. Both very popular in the Bible belt of the US. Both are very strict and very restrictive on women's roles, but do tend to aim for saying 'do this instead' not just 'we hate women'. They've also been, in my experience, very mistrustful of Harry Potter and also frequently of Catholics.
Not sure about the Ravenmeans. Fairly sure whatever group they are referencing, it isn't saying anything nice about them, and the group in question would probably have a different opinion of themselves.
Well, I can think of a few possible denominations that could be the target, but Westboro is a pretty safe choice.
I don't really think the large majority of Southern Baptists (or Assemblies of God, small group overall, I think, but numerous here) would be offended at all about the label 'highly conservative US Christian'. I live in a highly conservative area (seriously, Prohibition hasn't even fully ended here), and most of the people I am related to and grew up with are proud of the label conservative.
That's why I used a political label that's generally accepted by the people who adhere to it. ;) Personally, I'd be mortally offended to be called conservative - but that's me.
hS
I'm not conservative either. But I do live in a large concentration of people who are.
If "Troll" were defined by "deliberately trying to push everybody’s berserk buttons", then I would say that this is a Troll. But apparently this definition is off, because a Troll can never be interesting and amusing?
Anyway, I wonder whether they will find my berserk button. It would be nice to know where it is.
HG
I'm a Christian... but I'm appalled at this. Voldemort... pushing something in Congress?
"Hi, I'm Voldemort, and this is Nagini. I want you to ban freedom of religion!"
Family friendly? Try toddler friendly.
Just to be absolutely sure, but would giving this fic the MST treatment require permission. Since I read the fourth chapter and while I was debating whether or not to spork it a particular line pretty much made me decide to mock it.
I think that, unless it includes or mentions the ppc, it does not require permission.
Pun intended! But seriously, since it has been already said by Lily that is allowed, please, for the love of God, please do it!
Considering the potential to cause unrest I will do one chapter of the fanfic. If the reaction is far to negative it will summarily be deleted and hopefully you will forgive my foolishness. If it does end up deleted I will just have to pick something else to MST. There is no shortage of badfic after all.
I now think that MST-ing would cause the same problems as
missioning. People have mentioned the ban on religious fic missions, and even if a MST isn't necessarily bound by the same rules, I think doing would definitely cause unrest.
One wrong step and people can get kind of miffed. Not to mention having to walk on eggshells puts stress on everyone involved which could impact the humour in a negative way.
Yeah, I think I will just drop trying to MST this fic completely and move onto other ones.
Link it to us later if you want us to read the snarking.
Because as terrible as they are in canon, they are much rounder and more interesting characters in canon than the flat creatures in this fic.
(All that spouting off about Darwin. What would the neighbors think?)
That's not Darwin they're talking about. Richard Dawkins is a famous British biology professor and well-known humanist atheist. He's kinda the atheistic equivalent of the "yearrgh atheism is evil" religious people - nattering on and on about how religion is bad and atheism is awesome.
Also, can we file this under "why fundamentalists shouldn't be allowed on the internet"? (Or "should actually read the thing they want to criticize?")
It's hilarious. I am dead certain that it is a parody fic.
There has been one notable badfic of the same type, and it seems similar to the D&D scares, so it may not be trollfic. May you send me the link so i can see it?
Oh, oops, i did not see the link.
This provided us much entertainment! And weeping an wailing and facepalming. Our DM both loves and loathes you, and her roommate is threatening you, the author, and me. (We've got a Christopagan, a former-Baptist-turned pagan, a former-Mormon, a witch, and an Episcopalian.)
...honestly, I think the offense to the English language is at least as bad as the assault on both Potterverse and Christianity.
Religious extremism now permeates fanfic?! Dear God(pun intended) I've seen enough fundie bat**** to bring about a crusade, and that's just on some of the saner sites.
I would love to spork this, but alas, I can't make my writing coherent with the PPC universe.
so anyone who does spork this has my thanks.
Haven't you ever read any Bible badfic? There's even a mission to one:
https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1fSEuh7NyRk9G4tS8oJEjry7ujnCAH5kavvNM-P9N3C0
I'd like to take this opportunity to state that as a Christian I loooooooove this mission. Thaaank you for taking this 'Sue out.
For the love of God, thank you, a thousand time thank you, whoever you are!
Heaven only knows how anyone can commit so much blasphemy and other biblical errors in just one place. Again, I also as a Christian thank you so very much!
But since you so kindly pointed it out, I wanna thank you directly, so thank you so Huinesoron!
Well, I do think that the line Neshomeh is drawing is important. I may be horribly offended by the stuff this lady
is putting forth, but I can't deny even her the right to express just because it is a expression of fundamentalism.
Doesn't me I wouldn't want to burn to Tarturus though. I guess I sort of... undecided on the matter?
... that this is a parody. It's like someone used a checklist. It might be Poe's Law in action, but I actually find this fic pretty funny.
It could very well be a parody and the second chapter provides a clue. Since when Hagrid tries to convert Harry Petunia tries to bribe him with a second birthday. Although the wording makes it sound like Harry gets a birthday everyday. Then there is that very odd 'Birthdays are not of God,' bit that honestly I have never heard as an argument before.
The implacations are too horrifying otherwise. But yeah, some parts do feel out of place. I have never heard of that birthday bit either, even in extremely fundamentalist circles.
Not in many fundamentalist circles, but it was a thing for a while in my family, and I believe the... Jehovah's Witnesses? Or there is, in any case, a sect of Christianity that does not believe in celebrating birthdays.
Well, at least the ones I unfortunately encountered online recently. And trust me, those are preeeety extremely fundamentalist ones. Them again, there are different degrees of extremism everywhere and thinking about right now, it doesn't strike me as much as improbable as before. But I am curious, could you tell the basis for that belief,
at least in regards as how it previously was in your family?
It is just, for one thing, this particular... thing really offends me and for another, finding about certain... awfully
abusive legalist and dominiost (I think that is better just blanket-calling on fundamentalists) Christian sects may have colored my vision for the moment, so I am sorry if I hurt anyone and maybe I should abstain myself from this discussion from a while...
Seriously, I haven't read the whole of the first chapter but it comes off as very Chick Tracty. Although there is something that just really bugs me. Why do people who think like the author of this mess think that if someone read anything that so much as disagrees with their world view that if a child reads it will cause them to convert?
The world is filled soooo much temptation and sin, gotta isolate our kids from it. They can't trust God or their children that if something MIGHT cause to even slightly question their beliefs, they wont completely fall from grace.
* sighs* I'm sorry if I am posting here a lot or if I am going even slightly out of here, but this REALLY gets to me.
I was the one who answered the question that lead to this disaster, so I am sorry. I hope I came off as mostly just discussing things like my faith and criticism of HP with Snowy
and why things like this story may offend me, but if I did anything at all hurtful I am sorry. I understand the reason for the ban on religious fic, I throughly support it and I call off the comments on missioning this fic. Again, I am sorry and like I said to Vixen, this last thing I will say on the matter.
Er... nothing personal, but I vastly prefer the nickname VM.
Ooh! Or Vixie Mixie! That's an awesome nickname. VixMix?
hS is wicked
I'd apologise, but I'm having too much fun. ;D
hS
You do realize that "Vixie" evolves into "Irate Badgerfox," right?
Tell me you saw that coming.
hS
Sorry then, VM.
Since it was my bafflement of something that appears to have caused this go a bit out of hand. I will be more careful about what I ask in the future.
I was bullied by these people once, you can understand my dislike at this.
... that we don't spork religious fic. Yes, there was that one, but after that there was a lot of discussion and it was agreed that it's far too sensitive a topic to mess around with.
Also, please mind your SPaG. 7.65x54R, you've dropped an awful lot of capital letters in your post, and put a few where they don't belong. If this is making you so upset that you forget to capitalize properly, perhaps it's time to let this topic go?
~Neshomeh, who doesn't want to see this thing get out of control and become hurtful to anyone.
Line, going out of the line, dammit what's with me these days...
NO. Just NO. Two sentences in and I was already offended - Please make it stop.
These religious "fixes" of Harry Potter really offend me. Either you read it or you don't, you don't make yourself a middle ground. That's just stupid. Also - no wonder a lot of people think religious people are stupid. DX
The characters feel butchered enough that this could be missioned...
I am religious myself and I feel really offended by this ally this as well. Really, if you piously believe that witchcraft is a sin and can't divorce yourself from it to a read Glauranging work of fiction, yeah you shouldn't to "fix" it by writing fanfic about it. Obviously it wont work and you will end up with a Badfic, for the Sankt Kaiser's sake. Someone should really kill this...
this.... abomination is offensive to anyone who isn't a fundie bibolater. it really needs to die.
Yeah, what James said. anything written by these extremists tends to have the quality of badfic. examples include left behind, this present darkness, and the utter crimes against humanity and sentience known as Chick tracts.
this is precisely one of the reasons I am secular.