Subject: Thank you Ailavyn (nm)
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Posted on: 2014-09-07 17:35:00 UTC
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Banishing Sue-Wraiths in Harry Potter Badfics by
on 2014-09-06 21:07:00 UTC
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So, the spell Expecto Patronus is mainly used to drive off Dementors, but it is also known to harm other types of Dark Creatures. My question is, could an agent native to the HP continua who encounters a possessed character in a HP badfic use that spell to weaken the Wraith and facilitate banishment?
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Interesting. by
on 2014-09-08 09:26:00 UTC
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This is actually very closely related to a thread from last month, which featured banishments native to LotR, Pokemon, and, er, Wicca. In that thread, we read the 'proper combination' (ie, PPC standard) as modelled on the Bell-Book-Candle method of traditional Catholic exorcisms, but modified to invoke canon, rather than God. We then assumed that the same would work for other canons - take a canonical banishment method, and adapt it to protect canon.
I think using Expecto Patronum to banish a wraith falls into the same category. It's a canonical wraith-banisher, after all. But if you just use EP, then you have to explain why a character in the story casting it doesn't have the same effect.
I suppose it could be that PPC Agents' patronae (?) act against canon-unfriendliness, while canon characters' don't... but I think it'd be more fun to modify things slightly. So, what does a Patronus Charm look like? According to the HP wiki:
To successfully cast the spell, one must muster the happiest memory they can think of (the happier the memory, the better the charm will work) and begin drawing circles with their wand so as to increase the power of their spell. They must then say the incantation, "Expecto Patronum"; the Patronus will come from the tip of the wand and can be directed towards a target by pointing one's wand at said target.
Assuming we don't want to alter the words of the spell, that gives us two things we can change: the memory, and the 'drawing circles'. The first is easy - rather than a happy memory, require the agent to concentrate hard on remembering the canon. Then, either keep the circles - or require them to draw something related to the canon.
And remember, this isn't something that can only take place in HP-verse; we use neuralysers outside Men In Black, don't we? So let's decontextualise it a little...
"Keep him steady!"
"That's not as easy as you make it sound!" Freckles called back, leaping over a fallen tree. Frodo was barely three paces behind her. "Why couldn't we have had a normal mission, huh?" she demanded. "One where Frodo's a wuss, not a psychop-eek!" She dodged around the hobbit's attempted decapitation, curved around a bramble thicket, and headed back towards her partner. "Get a move on!"
Sandra closed her eyes, focussing on the images that were by now burned into her brain: Frodo Baggins sitting under a tree, book in hand, glancing up as he heard Gandalf approaching. After watching the movie so many times, the memory was as vivid as reality: the green of the leaves, the softness of the grass, the incredible blue of Frodo's eyes.
"Expecto Patronum," she murmured, raising her wand - actually a miniature version of Gandalf's staff - and sketching a five-pointed star in the air. "Expecto Patronum..."
Freckles screamed, only a few yards away, and Sandra's eyes snapped open. "Expecto Patronum!"
A burning white shaft of light burst from her wand, lancing past Freckles and striking the ground in front of Psycho!Frodo. Out of that electric glow leapt the blazing form of her Patronus, and Frodo had no time to run.
The wraith was hurled out of Frodo, flying backwards across the clearing, and passed through half a dozen trees before it had time to recover. It swirled back towards its victim, desperate to regain its host - and completely missed Freckles leaping in from the side, jar in hand.
Holding the trapped wraith up, Freckles glared at her partner. "Two things," she said.
"Go on."
"One: never do that to me again. And two: your Patronus is a squirrel?"
... I think there might be a 'Sandra and Freckles Experiment With Exorcisms' story in the works, I'm having far too much fun with this.
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I like this by
on 2014-09-08 20:07:00 UTC
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The wand movement was actually never described in the books and I'm not sure whether it was shown in the movies. The HP wiki got it from the Video Game Wonderbook: Book of Spells, so it's not exactly canon.
Also, "a happy memory" is what Lupin said teaching Harry, but Lupin also said that he wasn't an expert. On later occasions, Harry used "a happy thought", like expecting to live with Sirius, expecting to escape from the maze of the third task and to celebrate with Ron and Hermione, or imagining Professor Umbridge being sacked.
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You got a fair point there by
on 2014-09-08 19:00:00 UTC
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Yes, PPC agents do tend to use technology or other canon-specific techniques outside their original contexts, but also I seem to also remember that for example, you could use a neuralyzer on a HP-verse Canon, but a Memory Charm would work better.
So yes, I guess you could use a modified Patronus on any possessed Canon from any continua, but it probably would work on a HP one, wouldn´t it?
Your points about that modifications upon the nature of the thoughts while casting and the wand motions make perfect sense.
Also, may be then we could work with the HFA to modify Muggle-use Wands to include this modified version of the spell?
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What a cool idea! by
on 2014-09-08 00:11:00 UTC
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(Also, the spell is Expecto Patronum. Just for future reference.)
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Oh yeah, thanks for correcting that by
on 2014-09-08 01:38:00 UTC
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Honestly I don't know how I screwed that up * sweatdrops like an anime character *
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That's kind of brilliant. (nm) by
on 2014-09-07 04:01:00 UTC
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Thank you Ailavyn (nm) by
on 2014-09-07 17:35:00 UTC
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I don't see why not. by
on 2014-09-06 22:48:00 UTC
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After all, exorcisms in the PPC are pretty much "whatever gets the job done". We have a "proper" combination (light, loud sound, circle and source of canon), but it doesn't get used every time.
A Patronus would be a pretty good source of light, too, so it can even fit into the "proper" exorcism! -
Also... Ohmygosh! Ohmygosh! by
on 2014-09-07 18:38:00 UTC
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Hi Sergio! We haven´t been introduced yet. I´m a fellow Nanoha and Sakura fan and also a fan of your PPC work. I really like that Air Combat mission you did and those two you co-wrote with firemagic!
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Thank you! by
on 2014-09-07 18:45:00 UTC
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Didn't think I would find a fellow CCS fan here, considering how old the series is.
Thank you for your support, and be on the lookout for new Blank Sprite chapters!*
*Warning: New Blank Sprite chapter might take months before being published. -
I will be looking up to it! by
on 2014-09-07 19:20:00 UTC
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Well, the original run of the series here in Brazil started around 2000, when I was still in elementary school, so I caught when it was fairly new. Luckly we were graced with a fairly good dub that didn´t butcher pretty much anything (I am making look at you, Card Captors!)
Of course, recently I have read all of the manga and watched the subbed version of the anime.
Good to know you will have some stuff up, even if it does take you a while. -
P.S. by
on 2014-09-07 18:55:00 UTC
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I don't know how well you know Madoka Magica, but if you do you might want to check my fanfiction on FF.net
It's called Irregulars, and is a crossover between Nanoha and Madoka Magica. Just a little warning, it suffers from the same slow updating speed as Blank Sprite. -
Oh cool! I love Madoka Magica! by
on 2014-09-07 19:54:00 UTC
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I certainly check that up! again, don´t worry about the update
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Hadn't thought of that aspect of it by
on 2014-09-06 23:15:00 UTC
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It would make a good light source, wouldn't? Thanks for providing that
bit of information. While are on the subject, would casting a Sonorus charm and then casting the Patronus under its effect be enough of a loud sound to fulfill that part of the ritual? -
That makes quite a but if sense, actually! (nm) by
on 2014-09-07 00:12:00 UTC
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Interesting spoonerism. (nm) by
on 2014-09-07 03:50:00 UTC
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Spoonerism? by
on 2014-09-07 17:52:00 UTC
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Would that be related to the great Spoony One?
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Not quite. by
on 2014-09-07 20:07:00 UTC
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Here, have a read.
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Thanks for the link! by
on 2014-09-07 20:29:00 UTC
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Seems like no matter how long or much you wiki wank in Tv Tropes, there is always a new trope to read and then start a
new wank. See you a couple of hours... or months... or years.