Subject: Let it be known...
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Posted on: 2016-01-15 07:00:00 UTC
...that I'm aware of most of that. I neither support nor expect widespread support for removal of most of these. They're included for completeness' sake, in case someone is vehemently against That Series (for example) being Legendary.
Iximaz expressed tentative support for removing DCC here. But thanks for letting me know - I won't remove that unless Scapegrace agrees too. :-)
Following discussion starting here, I want to have a look at the current list of Legendary Badfics with the new guidelines in mind.
Since a number of these don't actually qualify anymore, a handful of us figured we should look at them individually and vote on whether which, if any, should be kept in via grandfather clause. That's what this thread is for!
The following Legendary Badfics don't fulfill the new criteria:
Celebrian: Only three hits in the past year. Generally agreed to be bad, and missioned as a Legendary Badfic.
Cho Chang's Desires: Appears to have been deleted from the internet. Despite being called Legendary, nobody has re-posted it or, apparently, sporked it at all. No obvious reason to keep this one.
Cupcakes: Only a few hits in the past year... until you go to image search, where there's plenty.
Draco's Christmas Cuppa: Nothing in the past year. I'd argue that it isn't even a badfic so much as a severe case of My Kink is not Your Kink. Was missioned as a Legendary.
Land Before Time: Littlefoot x Cera: Nothing in the past year. Was missioned as a legendary repeatedly, as new chapters kept going up and being targeted.
Lion King Orgy Poem: Nothing at all. No reason to stay.
Little Miss Mary: Two hits. However, one of those is the fic itself, despite the fact that it's over ten years old.
Subjugation: Three hits. Not missioned, but multiple agents sent into it ended up Snapped In Action due to it, so it's established as legendary in-universe.
Rose Potter: Only one hit. Missioned (in style, no less), and established as legendary in-universe.
That Series: Nothing whatsoever. Missioned, so established as legendary in-universe.
So, yeah. That's the lot. Some of these have better reasons to stay than others. Basically, what you need to do is pick out any that aren't worth keeping. If after 24 hours, a majority of people with an opinion have nominated the same badfic for removal, I'll go take it off the list. Anything that's nominated but doesn't get a majority nomination... well, I'll call a vote on anything like that in a couple of days.
To start off, I think we can get rid of Cho Chang's Desires (doesn't exist anymore, so this is logical), the Lion King Orgy Poem (doesn't really seem infamous at all), and Draco's Christmas Cuppa (it's slipped below the radar, and reads more like an ordinary bleepfic).
So, uh, nominate away!
(Oh, and this is the only time we'll be removing legendaries from the established list, I promise!)
There's clearly no enthusiasm for changing anything, so I guess nothing will change. Sorry for wasting space.
And Scapegrace: I'm sorry. I didn't mean to anger or offend you. You're quite correct that I should have done my research before expressing an uninformed opinion. So, yeah. Sorry about that.
It's not a "severe question of YKINMK", and I can say that with some degree of certainty because frankly, some of it is my bloody kink, thank you very much. DCC does it quite exceptionally badly. The play that goes on in that fic is demonstrably unsafe and to my mind did not happen with consent from Draco.
So no, I disagree entirely with your assessment of DCC, but that's why we're voting on it and not just leaving it to whoever's got access to the Wiki.
Speaking of, I need to send Nesh those flowers and chocolates. And the pony. =]
Again, I'll state my preference for maintaining the Legendary status of anything that was missioned as a Legendary.
"Cupcakes" was missioned. In fact, that mission is responsible for bringing a fair number of people to the Board from TV Tropes. Also, the badfic is indisputably notorious—it's even on Know Your Meme, IIRC. It's Legendary.
"Draco's Christmas Cuppa" was also missioned, which you mentioned. Unless Iximaz and Scapegrace are okay with it being demoted to Bleepfic, I'm against it.
"Cho Chang's Desires" does come up a few times in the List of Things I Am Not Allowed to Do in the PPC (I don't remember which parts specifically, or I'd link them). Its wiki page might be worth keeping just to explain those mentions, but unless further evidence of the fic itself turns up so we can see what all the fuss was about, I suggest we demote it to Bleepfic.
I'll second the outright removal of the Lion King Orgy Poem. I couldn't be bothered with it back then, and I can't be bothered with it now. I suspect it only got noticed in the first place because it's by the same author as That Series.
~Neshomeh
...that I'm aware of most of that. I neither support nor expect widespread support for removal of most of these. They're included for completeness' sake, in case someone is vehemently against That Series (for example) being Legendary.
Iximaz expressed tentative support for removing DCC here. But thanks for letting me know - I won't remove that unless Scapegrace agrees too. :-)