Re: Could you clarify?

Posting new message by ninny4370 on 2017-03-17 23:38:00 UTC Reply

Listen, this has gotten out of hand and the blame game has started to take off. No one needs to be banned just be being part of the discussion, no one needs to be hunted, no one needs to take authority on what to do. We all need to cool down. Every single one of us. Wait a few days, or even a week.

That is all I ask.

Additional request & general disappointment by OrangeYoshi99 on 2017-03-18 00:53:00 UTC Reply

Ok, so. I know I have no power over any of you but I would like to respectfully request that July not be mentioned again in this conversation. This conversation was not meant to be about July. It was meant to be about fixing problems, not crusading.

Frankly, I'm ashamed of a lot of you, Tomash and Des especially. While I understand both of your points, the way you handled everything was frankly, unacceptable.

I joined this community for good writing and the humor. There was a lot of that then. Now that I'm back, it's been chaos and if we can't get it together, I don't know how much more of good writing and humor will be left.

I'm considering leaving.
If I do, I won't be looking back.

Could you clarify? by Tomash on 2017-03-18 01:43:00 UTC Reply

Is there anything other than posting that screenshot that you believe I should not have done? I believe that, aside from that massive and completely unacceptable screwup, I've been acting rather reasonably. Have I missed something?

(Email clickable if you want to move the indictment off of the Board)

Yes, here's something. by Huinesoron on 2017-03-18 07:46:00 UTC Reply

Having heard that Iximaz believed people didn't care, you chose to involve her when you emailed me asking me to self-incriminate. Did you not consider, even briefly, that taking someone who has already told you they want to leave into a conversation where one possible answer was "I know, I don't think it's serious", was a terrible idea? That it could lead directly to Iximaz being harmed by my words?

You had the full story. You brought Iximaz into that situation. And as a result, there's a full paragraph in her leaving post based on a mental-illness-distorted reading of my emails.

You have not acted reasonably. Your decisions have been harmful from the very start.

hS

I did what I thought was best at the time. I was wrong. by Tomash on 2017-03-18 16:55:00 UTC Reply

Clearly, I made mistakes in my handling of this entire situation.

One thing I would like to note is that, when I sent those emails, I did not have the full story. I only had Iximaz's side of the story, since I didn't know what had happened privately during all that. Something felt off about Iximaz's descriptions of how the PGs (including you) were painted in her version, but I took the accusations seriously enough to look in to them by talking to you.

Before talking to you, I asked Iximaz if I could do that, since I would be writing an email going off the details of a private conversation, and I didn't want to betray her trust. I included her on the email because I thought the reply would be something she needed to see. I didn't think through the harm to Iximaz of a reply saying that you didn't think it was serious, and for that, Iximaz, I'm sorry. (For the record, I interpreted your initial reply as indicating that you didn't know the full extent of the situation, and that you didn't think it was serious based on the information you had.)

I also included Iximaz in that conversation on the advice of Aegis, who I trusted to know the right way to handle this situation. Given Nesh's reply to Aegis below, I acknowledge that this trust may not be as fully deserved as I used to think.

Throughout a lot of this, I was taking Iximaz's version of events extremely seriously. It has become clear to me that my actions over the last week have been guided by misinterpretations and misunderstandings, both of Iximaz's state of mind and potential reactions to events and of the actions and intentions of many of my fellow PPCers (including especially Iximaz and you).

Because of my mistakes and failures, I have hurt Iximaz. I certainly didn't want to do that, and, Ix, I hope you can forgive me for whatever part of the blame falls to me. I have also taken actions that have harmed the community as a whole, and JulyFlame specifically. I hope that I can make amends.

I will strive to do better in the future.

Re: Could you clarify? by OrangeYoshi99 on 2017-03-18 01:57:00 UTC Reply

I believe that's what I was referring to. You're right, since then you have conducted yourself well, but yeah. Don't do that please.

Won't happen again by Tomash on 2017-03-18 02:02:00 UTC Reply

Glad to know there's not anything else I've done wrong