Now, see...

Subject: Now, see...
Author: Huinesoron
Posted on: 2017-02-15 16:09:00 UTC

... that would be if I'd said that I was going to model Gimli on Phobos. ^_~ Canon characters still look as close to the movie as I can get them. I'm not averse to molding bit-part fanthings to look like their voice-actors, though... well, within reason!

But so far as I know, there is no canonical depiction of Lina Holling. [Checks; takes an hour to archive the OFUM fanart page] No, I take that back: there's one (insofar as fanart is 'official'), and it looks like this.

About all I can make out is a suggestion that she might have quite wide hips, and of course her hair length. Frustratingly, Galatea apparently drew a picture of Lina and Gimli in black leather, but the file wasn't archived.

hS

Reply Return to messages

Jump to this post's position in the thread ↴

I made a trailer. ^_^ by Huinesoron on 2017-02-13 07:59:00 UTC Reply

Specifically I made a trailer for something that might well never be a full project. But that's what trailers are for, right?

... right?

The trailer in question

With thanks to everyone involved. Credits are in the description.

hS

Re: I made a trailer. ^_^ by DrGonzo on 2017-02-15 18:57:00 UTC Reply

Okay, okay, this is awesome. Really awesome. This needs to happen.
EEEEEEEE! *Faints* by Jay - Awesomeness Central on 2017-02-14 18:16:00 UTC Reply

That was WICKED! You should definitely make more trailers.
Open question to everyone: by Huinesoron on 2017-02-14 17:51:00 UTC Reply

What, in your opinion, does Lina Holling look like?

hS

I guess like... by Iximaz on 2017-02-14 18:02:00 UTC Reply

this.

Only description we get of her that I remember is that her hair goes down her back, and it's red.

... wait. by Huinesoron on 2017-02-14 18:36:00 UTC Reply

Gimli's girlfriend is a redhead.

So is Tauriel.

This means one of two things:

1/ Miss Cam is a seer who foresaw the tall redhead-dwarf romance in the Hobbit movies.

2/ The dwarven fondness for redheads is implicit in Tolkien's work.

Either way... :D

hS

PS: Does this mean Galadriel's hair is more reddish-gold...?

{X D by Neshomeh on 2017-02-14 20:21:00 UTC Reply

Even more evidence: Phobos, who voices Gimli in the trailer and might actually be a very tall Dwarf, also likes redheads. Coincidence? I think not!

(I'm not a redhead, though. Alas, the conspiracy buck stops here.)

~Neshomeh

Obviously... by Desdendelle on 2017-02-14 20:23:00 UTC Reply

We need to make the facts fit the narrative; you need to dye your hair red.

(If it's not clear: this is a joke.)

Weeell, maybe. by Neshomeh on 2017-02-14 21:23:00 UTC Reply

But only if I can have it look somewhat natural. I don't like the obviously fake dark reds. {; P

~Neshomeh

... we're going to end up... by Huinesoron on 2017-02-15 11:13:00 UTC Reply

... with 'redhead Nesh as interpreted by hS's art' for our Lina model, aren't we?

That... would actually be a decent idea, come to think of it.

hS

If you really want to, I guess. ^. ^; by Neshomeh on 2017-02-15 20:59:00 UTC Reply

Gosh. Should I be flattered? I kinda feel like I should. ^^;

Well, I have a couple pictures in my Photobucket of me in high school, if you want those for reference, though one is very low-res and in the other <a href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/Neshomeh/Merlin/neshmerlin.jpg">I'm sideways and have a kitten's foot on my face. I have long hair in the first one, though. {= D

There's pictures of Phobos around, too, should you decide you want them.

~Neshomeh

Pencil art. by Huinesoron on 2017-02-16 13:04:00 UTC Reply

In which Dot, Gimli, Lina, and Legolas (left-right) play the classic drama game 'sit, stand, lean, hover-nervously-expecting-to-be-glomped-any-second'.

Lina is loosely based on Neshomeh. She doesn't have glasses, because she spends so much time waking up in random places that they'd be unfeasible. Gimli is movie Gimli, but slightly Phobosified around the eyes (because I can't see M!Gimli's eyes anyway). Legolas is Legolas. Dot isn't based on anyone - her face is a set of eyes, nose, mouth, and chin designed to distinguish her from Lina. Hopefully that'll work better once inked.

(I really want to claim this is a canon scene... but it's not, I just fancied doing some interesting poses.)

Comments on character design are most welcome. :)

hS

Gimli is weirdly adorable here. by Iximaz on 2017-02-16 19:02:00 UTC Reply

Though I can't really put my finger on what it is about his beard that reminds me of someone else...

I knooooow. by Huinesoron on 2017-02-16 20:21:00 UTC Reply

I tweaked his hair to try and make him more Gimliish, but he just refused. :( I think he reminds me a bit of Thorin from the Hobbit graphic novel, but there's someone else there too. Can't pin it down.

Maybe he'll improve once he's coloured. Ve zhall zee.

hS
Hey, whaddaya mean, "weirdly"? ^_~ by LinaNeshomeh on 2017-02-16 19:37:00 UTC Reply

I do think Gimli could be broader/stockier, actually, and the beard more full and scraggly. It's a bit more wizardly than Dwarvish, if that makes sense—maybe it's reminding Iximaz of Saruman or Gandalf the White? Wiggly edges instead of smooth would go a long way.

The line of Legolas' nose where it meets his forehead strikes me as too smooth. I think Orlando Bloom has a bit more of a brow ridge?

Other than that, nothing particularly jumps out at me. I can recommend a series of crisp, clear tutorials that I've found helpful and that I think would work really well for your budding style, though, hS: Majnouna's Tutorials on deviantART. I just like looking at them sometimes, even when I'm not drawing anything. {= )

~Neshomeh

In which there is colour. by Huinesoron on 2017-02-16 22:34:00 UTC Reply

I've stockied up Gimli (by cutting his arms off and moved them outwards), and scraggled his beard. The other thing I've done is refer back to the trailer pic of him and disconnect the two halves of his moustache, which had a big impact (I think).

I've also tweaked Legolas' head, though in the process his shoes seem to have gone awry. I really don't like feet, though Dot's worked out okay.

I've also made an attempt at shadows (instead of just shading); I think I need to work on the colours used for them, or possible just use a darken brush and let the computer sort it out, but it looks a lot better than the non-shadowed version.

I've also bitten the bullet and shrunk the brush used for faces, which has had a big effect on the ability to differentiate people. Compare this picture to the trailer to see what I mean.

... huh, I'm actually quite nervous about posting this all of a sudden. Odd; not sure why. Once more unto the breach!

(I will take a look at the tutorials; thank you!)

hS

Now you just need to make seven minutes' worth of stills... by Iximaz on 2017-02-16 22:52:00 UTC Reply

(Yes, this is kind of me poking you to look at the script for episode one. Unless you want me to extend it farther...)

I think you did a good job with the picture, and I really like Dot's design. Her face is a lot easier to make out in the colored version. I think the thing going on with Legolas' head is that it looks just a bit too small for his body?

Iunno, you're the art director here. I just ~~steal mercilessly from OFUM and pretend I know how to write a good script~~ kinda stand around and wait for you to tell me what to do. :P

If we're going by this... by Scapegrace on 2017-02-15 14:41:00 UTC Reply

Does this mean your Elrond now looks like me, a weird, gangly androgyne with a rapidly-developing beer gut? =]

Now, see... by Huinesoron on 2017-02-15 16:09:00 UTC Reply

... that would be if I'd said that I was going to model Gimli on Phobos. ^_~ Canon characters still look as close to the movie as I can get them. I'm not averse to molding bit-part fanthings to look like their voice-actors, though... well, within reason!

But so far as I know, there is no canonical depiction of Lina Holling. [Checks; takes an hour to archive the OFUM fanart page] No, I take that back: there's one (insofar as fanart is 'official'), and it looks like this.

About all I can make out is a suggestion that she might have quite wide hips, and of course her hair length. Frustratingly, Galatea apparently drew a picture of Lina and Gimli in black leather, but the file wasn't archived.

hS

Having Gimli look like me would not be a bad plan. by Phobos on 2017-02-15 20:01:00 UTC Reply

Just sayin'.

-Phobos
After some searching, I couldn't find that... by Zingenmir on 2017-02-15 17:40:00 UTC Reply

...but I did find a whole page of results on DeviantART (some repeated, admittedly) for Elves and other Middle-earth beings in black leather or teaching classes and so on (search term was "ofum").

On a slight tangent, I also found this depiction of Laurelin and Telperion, which is gorgeous.

~Zingen

Oh, hey, I found it. by Huinesoron on 2017-02-17 14:59:00 UTC Reply

Didn't know there was an OFUM LJ.

hS
At least two-thirds of that is Pika's stuff. by Huinesoron on 2017-02-15 20:02:00 UTC Reply

I've got to admit, Pika's style is very much 'how OFUM looks' in my head. She really did enjoy the black leather pictures, didn't she...? ^_^

Those Trees are utterly beautiful. Wow.

hS

I support this joke. by Phobos on 2017-02-14 21:11:00 UTC Reply

-Phobos, 6'1" (1.85m) Dwarf

It is most excellent! by doctorlit on 2017-02-14 02:15:00 UTC Reply

It would be great to do some of our setting's shorter missions or interludes, though I know it would get time consuming.

I'd, uh . . . I'd love to be in on voice acting, if there are any parts needed in the future? I'm a baritone.

—doctorlit never heard back from Ekyl after his initial voice auditions, now glomps on to hS's project

If it continues, there will be need. by Huinesoron on 2017-02-14 10:35:00 UTC Reply

OFUM needs both large numbers of fangirls, and large numbers of mostly-male staff members. The first trailer was done sneaky-like, but if I try to make the second, it'll be open auditions. (With first refusal to the people who voiced the characters already; it wouldn't be fair otherwise.)

hS
*runs off to scriptify TOS* (nm) by Iximaz on 2017-02-14 04:10:00 UTC Reply

For the record, by Neshomeh on 2017-02-14 20:18:00 UTC Reply

I've secretly wanted to make Protectors of the Plot Continuum: The Radio Play for years and years. Sign me up to help if you want to produce it. ^^

~Neshomeh thinks she might make a good Acacia if she does say so herself. ^^;

PPC radio plays, now where have I heard that before... (nm) by Huinesoron on 2017-02-14 20:20:00 UTC Reply

Yes, but with TOS. {= ) by Neshomeh on 2017-02-14 20:46:00 UTC Reply

I think the mostly-dialogue style lends itself nicely to a radio script. I don't know thing one about doing good sound effects, music, editing, etc., but it sure would be fun. ^_^

... Maybe Response Center F: The Radio Play or Jay and Acacia: The Radio Play, to avoid confusion?

~Neshomeh

Yay, you did it! by Neshomeh on 2017-02-14 01:55:00 UTC Reply

I'd be happy to contribute more if the project does continue. (I'll try to improve my sound quality, too. Couldn't help but notice the difference there. >.< )

I hope Miss Cam likes it. *crosses fingers*

~Neshomeh

I'd be happy to have you. :) by Huinesoron on 2017-02-14 10:39:00 UTC Reply

Also Phobos, because his Gimli is amazing.

I did notice that your line was a bit flat-sounding; it might be fixable in Audacity, but I'm not sure.

Oddly enough, I found my best recording device wasn't a microphone, but my telephone. So maybe that's an avenue you can explore, if you've got a mobile? Most of them have voice recorders these days.

hS

I LOVE IT I OVE IT I OOOOVE IT by Silenthunder on 2017-02-13 23:23:00 UTC Reply

*screams in excitement, then likes the video* The animation and voice acting was great! Good job!
Oh dear... by HerrWozzeck on 2017-02-13 21:31:00 UTC Reply

Sounds like a very fun time for all!

We should get Roger Ebert's site to review it!
Color me thrilled! (nm) by Khryssty on 2017-02-13 19:08:00 UTC Reply
Okay, that's definitely cool. by Hardric on 2017-02-13 17:58:00 UTC Reply

Now, I'e got a stupid question. Is it possible to voluntary apply to an OFU? I mean, even good/decent authors could want to improve. ~~And why the Suethors should be the only ones visiting these worlds, eh?~~

x3 by Hieronymus Graubart on 2017-02-14 18:52:00 UTC Reply

2a/ Actually, most student names in OFUM and HFA and probably many other OFU stories are taken from people who volunteered themselves/their fangirl alter egos. The main protagonists mentioned in the first chapter usually exist before there are any fans of the story. (OFUDisc and some others may be different.)

3/ As far as I understand OFUM and HFA, magic makes it impossible to write any fanfic for the continuum if you don't have the license to write, so even good authors must apply – or at least take the final tests – in universe to get the license. That is, if you don't assume that OFUs just gift licenses to good authors for free.

HG
Yes, x2. by Huinesoron on 2017-02-14 10:29:00 UTC Reply

1/ OFUDisc had a couple of PPC agents attending, who signed up because they wanted to learn more about the Discworld. So depending on the OFU, it's definitely possible to volunteer yourself.

2/ Since some people don't know this: all student names in OFU stories are taken from people who volunteered themselves/their fangirl alter egos. In-universe they're dragged there, but the 'fangirls' and 'badficcers' are actually fans of the story who signed up for it.

hS

That was really cool by Tomash on 2017-02-13 17:32:00 UTC Reply

I'm looking forward to watching more of this if/when it exists, and I think the trailer was well done. I don't really have any more substantive comments. ~~Now shut up and take my money!~~
I have submitted this wonderful thing to Miss Cam's Tumblr by Mattman The Comet on 2017-02-13 16:47:00 UTC Reply

I will keep you updated on her reaction.

She liked it. :D by Huinesoron on 2017-02-14 20:08:00 UTC Reply

I just got a reply to my email, and she says she's very pleased that people still like her stuff, and that making more in the same vein is fine.

And I refuse to admit to squeeing over that.

hS

Woohoo! by Neshomeh on 2017-02-14 20:48:00 UTC Reply

I think it's always okay to squee over getting approval for a fanwork of a thing from the creator of that thing. ^_^

~Neshomeh

I admit nothing. by Huinesoron on 2017-02-14 21:08:00 UTC Reply

(Are you and Phobos up for playing Gimlina for a second trailer?)

hS

We are! (nm) by Neshomeh on 2017-02-14 23:29:00 UTC Reply

If there's fireworks... by Huinesoron on 2017-02-13 16:55:00 UTC Reply

... please let me know in good time so I can duck and then watch with an awestruck expression.

Also: Miss Cam has a Tumblr?

hS

Awesoooome! =] by Scapegrace on 2017-02-13 08:34:00 UTC Reply

I like how this turned out. I mean, I really liked it. To the point where I have a suggestion:

OFUM Podcast.

That sounds like work. by Huinesoron on 2017-02-13 16:58:00 UTC Reply

I don't like work. >:(

More seriously: ... more seriously, I actually have very little idea what a podcast even is, so I can't comment on that possibility. An explanation (with no 'you should try this one!', plz, because free time isn't a thing) might help?

hS

A podcast is... basically just a radio programme. by Scapegrace on 2017-02-15 14:39:00 UTC Reply

You can make it available for download through things like iTunes, Soundcloud, et al. I think it would suit the OFUM format better, and while I accept that the audiodrama is a thing and converting OFUM to a radio play would be slightly more work (which, y'know, eurgh), the result would be very different and still interesting.

Also, if you wish to contact me about further adventures in this, my email is at hheath1992 at that email service where the mail is hot.

It's the thing we did the thing for! by Iximaz on 2017-02-13 08:33:00 UTC Reply

The thing is here!

Please will there be more of the thing? :3

It's under consideration. by Huinesoron on 2017-02-13 16:56:00 UTC Reply

~~I have a script for Trailer Two all worked out!~~ It all depends, really, particularly on Miss Cam's reaction (if any).

hS

If it wouldn't be too much to ask... by Iximaz on 2017-02-13 17:10:00 UTC Reply

Would you mind if I tried my hand at screenwriting and started on a feature length script?

Not asking if you'd animate it because dear Moffat that would be a lot of work. Just wondering if you'd mind me writing a script.

Two answers: by Huinesoron on 2017-02-13 17:19:00 UTC Reply

1/ It's no skin off my nose if you write a script. ^_~ Miss Cam might have something to say (literally 'might', I don't know her reaction yet).

2/ If you're looking towards possible animation, shall we discuss over email? I've got a few thoughts on how it could be done to make that feasible. (Also, I'd probably have you look over the trailer 2 script to see what you think.)

hS

*squees and glomps* by Iximaz on 2017-02-13 17:31:00 UTC Reply

Thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou—

*deep breath*

Thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou—

*coughs*

I'll, ah, I'll definitely keep all that in mind.

^w^