Subject: Whoops, should have posted below! Sorry! (nm)
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Posted on: 2016-10-13 17:35:00 UTC
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OT: US Boarders, have you registered to vote? by
on 2016-10-10 22:54:00 UTC
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Several states require voter registration forms to be postmarked by tomorrow, so this might be a last-minute (or not so much) reminder to make sure your voter registration is up to date.
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A Related PSA: by
on 2016-10-11 21:20:00 UTC
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Please also vote in midterm and local elections. While important, a presidential race is only 1/3 at best of the national government, and far more laws that directly impact us happen at the local level!
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Raises Pompoms from the line by
on 2016-10-11 13:38:00 UTC
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I may have two years before I can legally vote, but I would like to remind you guys to not vote third party. As much as Hillary seems like a bad idea it can't be worst than Trump.
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People can vote however they want to vote by
on 2016-10-12 01:40:00 UTC
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I really don't think this is the appropriate platform for pushing a candidate.
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You absolutely can and should. by
on 2016-10-12 09:54:00 UTC
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Oh yeah also, apropos politics by
on 2016-10-12 21:58:00 UTC
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This might turn into a ramble by
on 2016-10-14 04:14:00 UTC
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Okay... by
on 2016-10-13 16:53:00 UTC
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Personally, I'm writing in Gilles Simeoni. (nm) by
on 2016-10-13 16:54:00 UTC
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Independent Corsica? (nm) by
on 2016-10-13 17:01:00 UTC
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He's actually an autonomist. Talamoni is the independentist. (nm by
on 2016-10-13 17:03:00 UTC
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Oh yeah, far left. by
on 2016-10-13 16:07:00 UTC
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Not going to follow the structure of your questions, but: by
on 2016-10-13 15:45:00 UTC
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Assuming I understand the terminology here... by
on 2016-10-13 10:45:00 UTC
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Is anarchy even on the left-right spectrum? by
on 2016-10-13 12:15:00 UTC
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So... I'm a snowflake swimming in an ocean? by
on 2016-10-15 05:30:00 UTC
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But I don't want to melt!
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Here's mine! by
on 2016-10-13 14:21:00 UTC
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I'm 7.38 on the Economic Left/Right, and -1.33 on the Social Libertarian/Authoritarian. I'm not as far down on the Libertarian-ness as I thought I would be; and, apparently, I'm closest to EA U in politics. Interesting.
Here's me on le map.
-Alleb -
Whoops, should have posted below! Sorry! (nm) by
on 2016-10-13 17:35:00 UTC
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PPS: by
on 2016-10-13 12:33:00 UTC
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Map #2. by
on 2016-10-16 10:13:00 UTC
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Oh. My. Stars. by
on 2016-10-17 07:33:00 UTC
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I'm a snowflake! Made of brass! In an ocean!
I am extremely excited about this!
Do I have a navy? Do I trade with Tomash (yay, fellow metal island!) and Alleb (I am her closest neighbor)? How do I support myself out here, fishing? How does a snowflake made of brass float? Can it move? What's the Southern Ocean like, anyway? So many questions! -
#SpecialFloatingSnowflakeBadger. by
on 2016-10-17 08:53:00 UTC
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What you do with it is up to you. I admit I would find it absolutely hilarious if people ended up writing stories about a political compass plot with a rough map thrown over it. ^_^
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Well, I don't know if I'd write about it, by
on 2016-10-17 09:32:00 UTC
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Though I won't rule it out. A few allusions here and there, though... Maybe a vaguely clockwork snowflake on my Plort heraldry when I get around to designing it? Hm...
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BRB stealing this for my D&D. by
on 2016-10-16 20:04:00 UTC
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Well, now I'm an island? ...I can live with that.
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OT: have you tried Inkarnate? by
on 2016-10-16 22:43:00 UTC
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I've been looking for land mapmaker a for a long time for D&D campaigns - most of the ones that come up are just internal dungeons, and you're stuck with pencils and graph paper (not that there's anything wrong wih that), but the Inkarnate tool (still in beta so a bit clunky, and I don't remember the URL - it's either .net or .com or .org or something) is really, really helpful.
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Haven't, no. by
on 2016-10-16 23:20:00 UTC
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I was looking into mapping software before I started my current game, but I ended up just sitting down with coloured pencils instead.
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Ooooh, this is excellent. by
on 2016-10-16 19:30:00 UTC
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Must… not… write Plort history…
This really does get more tempting every time
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None shall escape our swords! by
on 2016-10-16 16:55:00 UTC
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For we are the Chosen People and this is our land, given to us by God himself.
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:O That hadn't even occurred to me. by
on 2016-10-16 17:58:00 UTC
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Yup, out of the desert into the Land of Milk, Honey, and Angry People... #politicalcompassomancy #allofthishashappenedbefore
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The similarities to RL lunacy were too good to pass up. by
on 2016-10-17 00:23:00 UTC
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Have you listened to some of those types? I have, and their beliefs make for interesting fantasy-world characters. Of course, they're decidedly less enticing when you have to suffer them IRL.
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Ehehehehe. by
on 2016-10-16 15:00:00 UTC
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Hnnnnnnnnngh by
on 2016-10-16 11:20:00 UTC
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Municipal Darwinist Plort!
Mountains of iron and humans grinding on great treads, blotting out the skies with thick, gleaming metal walls and spiralling plumes of smoke from enough coal to fuel a million forges, steel innards clanking and hissing under the strain of an entire city hnnnnnnnnnnnngh -
Finally got around to taking the quiz. by
on 2016-10-15 05:13:00 UTC
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Economic Left/Right: 1.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.36
Not nearly as far right as I expected given my free market views. Maybe I just didn't answer quite strongly enough to swing over to the far side of the spectrum. -
-5.38 economic, -4.1 social. Huh. (nm) by
on 2016-10-14 15:35:00 UTC
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Gonna map gonna map gonna map. by
on 2016-10-14 09:56:00 UTC
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Drat, if I'd been faster I could have been an asteroid. (nm) by
on 2016-10-15 05:16:00 UTC
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I'm a bit confused; why am I in the Authoritarian section? by
on 2016-10-14 13:37:00 UTC
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Oh yeah, that. Should've mentioned. by
on 2016-10-14 13:55:00 UTC
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Which brings up another point: by
on 2016-10-14 14:09:00 UTC
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This Board is overwhelmingly (some variant of) leftist; people like Alleb and [EA]UO are the exception, not the rule. And any Board that has me as the third rightmost member is prooobably a bit Commie. I already have my State-approved™ hammer and sickle, get yours today!
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The Realm of Evil of Darkness? by
on 2016-10-14 12:40:00 UTC
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Of course it isn't named after the Evil of Capitalism and the Darkness of the Bottom Line and I'm silly to suggest that.
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Of course not! by
on 2016-10-14 13:04:00 UTC
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(The joke, since I've just realised no-one else will remember it, is that last year EAIUO objected to (his misunderstanding of) my D&D Political Compass. I then made the second version of the chart just absolutely covered in evil. I was part of Iximaz's plan to summon demons to usurp the throne; looks like you were going to blow everyone up with volcanoes. Muahahahaha!)
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UnsurprisinglyÂ… by
on 2016-10-14 06:05:00 UTC
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Economic Left/Right: -8.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.13
Yeah, that's shifted not a whole lot in a while. I think I used I be further right on the economic access, and certainly was a bit farther towards libertarianness earlier in my life. -
Let's see the latest shift. by
on 2016-10-14 05:05:00 UTC
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Two years ago, I was -5.25 Economic and -5.49 Social.
Last year, I was -6.13 Economic and -4.56 Social.
This year, I'm -4.38 Economic and -5.08 Social. That's a fairly sizable shift in terms of economic positions. Meanwhile, my social score has pretty much split the difference. That all might not mean a thing when you consider margins of error and and issues with the quiz, but it is curious. At least to me. -
So I'm apparently -4.5 ECO, -7.69 SOC by
on 2016-10-14 03:22:00 UTC
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Is this the "college student who's totally got it all figured out, man" section of the chart?
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Well I'm definitely in the right quadrant by
on 2016-10-14 02:46:00 UTC
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Your Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -4.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.18
Puts me in the same quadrant as the Green party, which is the party I vote for. -
Doop. by
on 2016-10-14 00:35:00 UTC
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Your Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -5.13
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That's... a change. by
on 2016-10-13 23:39:00 UTC
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I'm now -7.25 Economic, -3.59 Social. Apparently learning more about politics and stuff has pushed me far left on economics, while barely budging me on social issues.
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I shifted left since last year by
on 2016-10-13 23:38:00 UTC
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I cannot find my score from last year, but I charted in as the second most conservative, this year I'm a -2.5 Economic and -3.18 Social. Social is about the same but the biggest change was economics. I think I was like 2.51 last year, so going down to -2.5 is a non-minor change.
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Whoa! What brought that on? by
on 2016-10-14 13:56:00 UTC
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Do you feel like you've moved from the Right to the Centre? If so, what caused the shift? Because your shift there is practically meteoric.
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I feel like I shifted left. by
on 2016-10-15 00:01:00 UTC
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My results by
on 2016-10-13 18:50:00 UTC
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I’m back at -5.88 (like 2014) on the economic scale after last year’s -5.63, and I settled on -4.92 on the social scale (between 2014’s -3.95 and 2015’s -5.18).
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Oh, it's this thing again? by
on 2016-10-13 17:59:00 UTC
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In 2014, I was -4.00 economic, -3.75 social; in 2015, -4.25 economic, -3.08 social; and now I got -3.38 economic, -2.77 social.
Once again the test shows a definite American political bias — while it shows a rightward drift (which I've been experiencing in my opinions recently, putting me at the centre instead of centre-left), it puts me to the left of where I should be. -
I'm at -9.0 economic, -7.74 social. (nm) by
on 2016-10-13 16:42:00 UTC
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Just tried it. by
on 2016-10-13 16:40:00 UTC
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Last year, I had -5.63 for Right/Left, and -5.59 For Authoritarain/Liberrtarian.
New scores would be -4.38 for Eco and -5.54 for Social. Not exactly sure why I moved right in Economics like this, but they still need to add neutral answers as an option. -
I'm -7.38 economic, -5.38 social. (nm) by
on 2016-10-13 15:01:00 UTC
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Here's me. by
on 2016-10-13 14:50:00 UTC
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Economic Left/Right: -7.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.51
I actually feel like I understood most of the questions this time! For some questions I wish there was a "sometimes" option, though, or a "yes, on its face, but—".
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Very little change on my end: -7.88 ECO, -7.28 SOC. by
on 2016-10-13 13:43:00 UTC
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Death to the capitalist oppressor, &c. My social position has apparently moderated by a tenth of a point, though, so maybe that's indicative of something. =]
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Haha, I out-commie'd Scapegrace. ^_^ by
on 2016-10-13 13:51:00 UTC
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Seriously, 2016 has me in a very Left state of mind. It's a sucky year. :(
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I shall have to try harder in future. =] (nm) by
on 2016-10-13 13:55:00 UTC
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This I must know more of. by
on 2016-10-13 12:06:00 UTC
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What is, exactly, Anarcho-capitalism? Why is government immoral? Why do you think we can manage without government?
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Not very good at explaining this stuff, but I'll try. by
on 2016-10-14 09:07:00 UTC
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This is... intriguing. by
on 2016-10-14 21:14:00 UTC
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Okay, let's see if I can order my thoughts here. by
on 2016-10-17 04:22:00 UTC
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Okay, then. by
on 2016-10-17 22:06:00 UTC
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So, like... by
on 2016-10-17 05:20:00 UTC
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Not exactly. by
on 2016-10-17 06:55:00 UTC
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I think there's a missing question here. by
on 2016-10-17 15:54:00 UTC
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It is, "what is the purpose of government?"
Another question that needs asking is "what is government?" because "a system of contracts" would fall under "government", in my opinion — it's just a bad one that relies on people's goodwill. -
You'll get different answers from different people. by
on 2016-10-17 16:20:00 UTC
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Hm, this is interesting. by
on 2016-10-14 15:35:00 UTC
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I know this is a fictionnal example... by
on 2016-10-14 09:41:00 UTC
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I can't entirely disagree with you on people being awful, by
on 2016-10-17 07:03:00 UTC
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Well... by
on 2016-10-18 16:59:00 UTC
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I suggest we make an anonymous poll by
on 2016-10-13 04:48:00 UTC
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Something like the census. People won't feel as pressured into agreeing with the majority opinion, and if they hold a minority opinion, won't feel as if they have to speak for everyone who shares their views. We can get a better idea of the full diversity of PPCers that way. Even the quiet ones.
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I don't think it's necessary. by
on 2016-10-13 14:51:00 UTC
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We've just seen Alleb cheerfully declare that she's twice as far right-of-centre as the most right-wing result we've ever seen. People may be inclined to argue and disagree with her, and even try to persuade her she's wrong, but no-one's going to attack her for it, or assume she speaks for everyone. (Heck, look at me and ScapeDownWithCapitalismGrace disagreeing over stuff when we're hanging around on the far left together - it would be rank hypocrisy to say 'you must share everything with other people in your region!' after that!)
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I have hammers and sickles on my Plort heraldry. by
on 2016-10-13 00:31:00 UTC
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Take a wild guess. =]
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You're probably so Conservative... by
on 2016-10-13 07:03:00 UTC
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That the Tories look like Corbyn, compared to you. :P
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Well... by
on 2016-10-12 23:49:00 UTC
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That's largely because the GOP're concentrating down-ticket by
on 2016-10-13 13:52:00 UTC
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Left left left. by
on 2016-10-12 23:28:00 UTC
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That's a pretty accurate characterization. by
on 2016-10-12 16:58:00 UTC
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Trump isn't just supported by white supremacists, though, he's also hired one as campaign manager. (Breitbart News does one thing, y'all.)
And also, on top of promising to jail his opponent if elected, he's been on and off telling his supporters to respond with violence if he loses, because "polls are showing" he can't lose. That's not even true - no polls that I've seen have put him ahead of Hillary. So… this should be pretty clear-cut. -
Euhah?! by
on 2016-10-12 17:06:00 UTC
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This guy is telling things like this? No wonder the Republicans are trying their hardest to distance themselves from this madman.
How could people vote for that wreck?
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I mean, it's often coded, but yes. by
on 2016-10-12 17:34:00 UTC
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"The only way we can lose is if they cheat" and "someone should shoot her" are… uh… hard to misconstrue?
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Don't forget "if I was President, you'd be in prison". =] (nm) by
on 2016-10-13 00:32:00 UTC
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Well, my personal vote is somewhat irrelevant anyways by
on 2016-10-12 16:29:00 UTC
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Your vote is never irrelevant. by
on 2016-10-12 16:38:00 UTC
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Especially in this election, where members of both parties are refusing to vote for their candidate (because they hate Trump/won't vote Democrat without Sanders). I'm not saying you should argue for either side, or even say which one you're voting for - we fought hard for secret ballots, y'know! - but you should make your vote count, not throw it away.
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*peers at* You're not a fellow Hoosier, by any chance? (nm) by
on 2016-10-12 16:32:00 UTC
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All I know is... by
on 2016-10-12 14:50:00 UTC
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The American Greens are seriously weird. by
on 2016-10-12 16:00:00 UTC
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I'm with them on environmental issues and certain of their animal rights messages (I cannot in good conscience condone scientific animal testing, because while alternatives are being developed they are nowhere near ready for mass production yet), but less so on their endorsement of homeopathy and other fringe pseudoscientific beliefs. Like, the belief that a statistically insignificant drop of onion juice can cure your ills is very much the tip of the iceberg here.
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I think a lot of people look at it backwards. by
on 2016-10-12 14:21:00 UTC
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To be precise, a lot of people seem to ask "which is the best candidate?" and then go and protest-vote because the best one doesn't exist.
I think that's the wrong thing to ask; one should ask, "which candidate is the least-bad one?"; that way, you don't waste your vote on some ineffectual bum that has zero chances of being elected, and don't (passively) help the Really Bad Guy™ to get into office.
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Personally, I like it when the PPC argues politics by
on 2016-10-12 02:55:00 UTC
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Because we're all reasonable people who don't flame (and if we come close, we apologize), so it's a way to actually learn about the other sides' points of view while still seeing them as decent people.
I would vote for Hillary Clinton if I were old enough to vote and would definitely like to hear from other sides of the issue. Email is clickable if you don't want it to be a public discussion.
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I like it too! by
on 2016-10-12 21:25:00 UTC
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Possibly because US politics is my current obsession. But mostly because hS is the most rational person ever and I love reading his opinions on things. ^_^
(I wanted Bernie, but Clinton is the only nominee who I feel has any connection with my views. But who cares - I'm not American! *grabs popcorn*) -
I like Bernie's ideals, but I don't trust his judgement by
on 2016-10-13 04:31:00 UTC
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He's maybe too idealistic. For example, he supports California Proposition 61, a mess of a proposal whose positive effects rely entirely on big companies doing the ethical, supportive thing -- and if the big companies behave the way big companies are known for behaving (selfishly), lots of patients will lose access to potentially lifesaving drugs. And I'm scared it'll pass because of Bernie's endorsement -- he's pretty popular here.
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If anything, Bernie needs to be even more leftwing. by
on 2016-10-13 14:11:00 UTC
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Going slightly off-topic here, but... by
on 2016-10-13 15:59:00 UTC
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I had to look up that question. by
on 2016-10-13 16:07:00 UTC
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Okay, so I'm not alone. {= ) by
on 2016-10-13 16:44:00 UTC
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I thought that... by
on 2016-10-13 18:22:00 UTC
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"Protectionism" is "setting up tariffs and whatnot in order to protect local producers from cheap competition from abroad"?
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This, but also not this. by
on 2016-10-13 14:28:00 UTC
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Veering slightly off-topic. by
on 2016-10-13 18:21:00 UTC
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I think that giving the UN the keys to a proper strong peacekeeping force is a bad idea. Their peacekeeping forces around here — UNIFIL and UNDOF — have done a shockingly bad job of keeping the peace. Further, I wouldn't trust the UN with a lemonade stand, much less an army, since it seems to have all the worst qualities of governments without any of the redeeming features.
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As a person who is rather stupid, by
on 2016-10-13 21:10:00 UTC
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and knows very little about anything in particular: what would you say are the big issues with the UN? All the bollocks they get wrong? All that peacekeeping they do a bad job of, and whatnot.
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Well... by
on 2016-10-14 01:10:00 UTC
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Basically, the UN should be "let's all work together toward making the world a better place for everyone", right? Except it's so full of politics it doesn't do that. The Arabs use it as a tool to bully Israel, the stronger states (Russia, US, China, etc) veto stuff they don't like, and so on and so forth. "United Nations" is a misnomer. "World Council of Arguing" fits better.
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Yeah, I know. by
on 2016-10-13 18:28:00 UTC
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I think I needed a bit of extra punctuation: I want a strong-UN peacekeeping force. That is, I want us to make the UN an actual force for positive change that can make decisions and make them stick.
And then I want to give it all the soldiers.
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Might as well un-bend the world again while you're at it... by
on 2016-10-13 18:43:00 UTC
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So we'll all be able to sail to Aman. Same chances of success, in my humble opinion.
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I would like that too. (nm) by
on 2016-10-13 20:16:00 UTC
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Aww, thanks. by
on 2016-10-12 23:18:00 UTC
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I do my best, though I have been known to fail spectacularly.
(Right now I'm all kind of fuzzy and 'yay someone expressed an unprompted positive opinion of me as a person' inside. The 'thank you' was very much sincere.)
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Updated my address last week, I'm good to go. by
on 2016-10-11 05:30:00 UTC
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Thank you for the reminder!
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Ready and waiting. (nm) by
on 2016-10-11 01:11:00 UTC
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I've been registered since I turned 18. (nm) by
on 2016-10-11 00:58:00 UTC
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Also registered! (nm) by
on 2016-10-11 00:35:00 UTC
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I'm already registered. by
on 2016-10-11 00:29:00 UTC
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But thanks for the last-minute public service. This may have been one of the screwiest election seasons to date, but it's nonetheless imperative that we get out and vote.
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My brother and I are, if that helps. by
on 2016-10-11 00:25:00 UTC
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#i'mwithher, all the way