Subject: No, we haven't.
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Posted on: 2016-09-16 07:04:00 UTC
We haven't had members lie about their age, because the only time 'you have to be 13' has been a rule of the PPC is when July is doing a survey and wants to avoid legal issues. Saying it's an actual rule is just plain wrong.
hS
Hello everybody!
I want to address two things which involve the Discord channel.
1) The channel's been around for roughly two and a half months and doesn't show any sign of disappearing. I think it should be mentioned in the Board header (just linking to it isn't possible since Instant Invites expire after 24 hours).
2) What exactly is acceptable in it, language-wise? There have been some disagreements lately, and I want to hear the community's opinion on this.
Foul language is not something that bothers me personally, but I understand why other people would be upset. I'm okay with the idea of using mild oaths and adult language on the Discord. Stuff like h*ll or d*mn.
I couldn't find the exact specifics for what was acceptable profanity-wise in PG movies, so I can't comment as to how effective that would be. The most common thing I saw was that "sexually-derived expletives" were considered to be more offensive, so I would suggest total restrictions on those (unless we're playing Cardgames Against Headquarters/Humanity, in which case all bets are off).
We have a clear example below of a PPCer stating that he is offended by sexually derived insults.
And, the Constitution covers this but it's worth mentioning, insults derived from intent to belittle groups of people (racial slurs, etc.) should not be allowed. We probably shouldn't say stuff that's disrespectful to people's religions, either.
--Key
What's the best way to 'link' to it? Is there a helpful page on the Wiki explaining how to get access?
I'm thinking, for the text, of something like "For real-time chat, you can pay a visit to our [Discord channel]."
hS
Unless anybody objects, I'll change the page tomorrow; worse comes to worse we'll have another talk with everybody.
I went ahead and changed the page. hS, can you please add a blurb to the header?
the Lounge in its current iteration has no concrete rules for language — It just has the Constitution; that's one of the reasons I started this thread. I changed the bit in the wiki article, though. And I really hope the community can reach some sort of accord on this — "every mod has their own view of what is and isn't Constitutional" is bound to cause problems down the line.
I imagine anything limited to 'piss' or 'arse' ought to be fine, right?
I think it's reasonable to use the same rules that apply here on the Discord channel, which means keeping everything safe for work and kid-friendly (no cursing). That's my instinct on a community-wide level.
For me, personally? I'm a college student. I'm not personally going to be offended by foul language (most likely), but other people likely have different standards.
Not everyone agrees on proper language for the board, either, as shown by the "pissed off" incident a few weeks (or possibly months, my sense of time is off) ago. Personally I think the MPAA guideline for what qualifies for PG should be fine. After all, you have to be at least 13 to even join the PPC (though we have had some members lie about their age) so I don't see why we should enforce stricter content guidelines than what is already considered appropriate for that age group.
... is to utterly ignore Data Junkie whenever possible. But sometimes it isn't possible, like when they want to create rules based on nonexistent age rules.
I agree that being responded to with a put-down, drive-by or not, doesn't feel very nice. Are... are we saying it should? I tgought putting people down was a bad thing?
hS
You are right, I was doing what I always do when I feel like I've been attacked, I start trying to fight fire with fire. I fell like this has become a trend lately, especially combined with the shut-down I got in the Hunger Games thread when I was just making a joke.
But yeah, if hS is willing to get off my back, or at the very least resort to a neutral third party if he has a problem with something I've said and needs to convey this to me, then I can do the same.
Confession: I had to look this up on the CARA (the group that designed the MPAA's rating system) website, so I thought others may be confused as well. To clarify, some profanity may be used in a PG movie, short of the F-bomb, which would immediately make a movie PG-13 at least. Common use of profanity would also make the rating PG-13 if Discord were a film.
Side note: Making a chatroom into a film is probably a terrible idea.
We haven't had members lie about their age, because the only time 'you have to be 13' has been a rule of the PPC is when July is doing a survey and wants to avoid legal issues. Saying it's an actual rule is just plain wrong.
hS
However we definitely had someone lie about their age, in the old IRC at least. Piph was supposedly 13 when she joined, but after having a birthday she admitted she had lied and had just recently turned 13 on that birthday.
I'm glad you were able to correct my lack of trivia knowledge without addressing the fact that your argument, point, and premise were entirely wrong.
hS
And for lashing out as a result. (This would have been an (nm) post, but that was too long for the subject line.)
I'm pretty sure I did address the only two points you brought up. In case you missed it somehow though, here it is again: I was unaware that the "you must be 13 or older" thing wasn't an official rule, and yes we have had people lie about their age.
Honestly I don't see how either of your points invalidated the actual point of my post, even if I had ignored them, which it is now clear to me that I should have done, since you were clearly just trying to bait me into an argument.
I don't appreciate the use of sexually-derived insults. I don't think they should be in the PPC wiki as a rule of the IRC, and I definitely don't appreciate them being targetted at me.
hS
On the other hand I tend to reserve the best insults for the worst behavior. You were, on a scale from bad customer to 4channer, mediocre at best. I guess I could have refused to be insulting I suppose, but tend to treat people the same way they treat me.
As for invalidating my point, maybe I should phrase it this way: "PG movies are constantly market towards 7-10 year olds, so standards that are appropriate for theme should be fine for us."
That you were this close to being banned five months ago because, to put it in your own words, you were a dick to a lot of people. I suggest that you tread lightly indeed.
That this argument arose out of a discussion on people acting their age.
I just wanted to make it clear for the record that they were, in fact, deliberately throwing insults at another PPC member.
hS
Within a year or so ago, too, not just at the start of the PPC (I'm pretty sure there was at least one person then? I certainly remember there being an eleven year old *agent*). I don't know if she stayed, but there was someone from... China, I think, quite possibly with a cat in her name somewhere? I remember her showing up a year or two ago and saying she was eleven or so. And that was fine. Fanfiction.net is the place you have to be thirteen to join, unless that's changed.
~DF
I was certainly about 11-12 when I first showed up on the board. Gosh, it's been a while, hasn't it?