Subject: Congratulations, you have invented a mail-order library. (nm)
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Posted on: 2018-01-11 05:05:00 UTC
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A book donation system. by
on 2018-01-11 03:35:00 UTC
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(Disclaimer: This is not something that is implemented currently, nor do I think that this idea is fully fleshed out, but it is something that genuinely interests me and I think it might be interesting to you all, too.)
This is an idea that I've been throwing around, a little bit in the discord, and a little bit in my own head: What if there was a way people could just gift each other books in the PPC?
This is going to be a bit of a long post. So, bear with me, and please please please if you find anything wrong with this at all, or if you find any way the idea could be improved upon I would love to hear it!
The base idea is this, in a couple steps:
To have a database (perhaps a googledoc?) where people can share books that they own/want to donate, complete with titles, who'd be willing to donate it, and a review. (I'd personally like each book to have a review, and maybe even a tagging system, like "Sci-Fi" or "Fantasy". That'd be really cool, imo.)
So, after the database is there, the people who want books can just send whoever has the book a message, or somehow communicate with them that they'd like the book. Or maybe someone has a book that they really would like to give to someone else! (I have a lot of books which I know certain people would love!)
And once those two people have communicated enough, this is where I'd like to voice and possibly answer a concern. "Are people comfortable with sharing where they live/where their general location is?" And my answer, is that it really depends - some people are open, others aren't - I personally use drop locations, which aren't where I live, but around the general area where I can pick up packages and stuff. For the system to work and hopefully make people more comfortable, those who are interested in sharing books would talk to an established third party within the community. This third party would be the middleman - They would know and not share the information of where people receive books, and would also know where people are sending books from. They would be the only ones who know this information, aside from the sender and receiver, respectively. The sender would send the book to the third party, who would check and see that "yes, this is really the book, and nothing else (unless specified)" and the third party would send it off to the person who wanted the book.
That's probably a really long and convoluted way of explaining what I'd like to have, if this idea ever came to be. A database, a third party, and people willing to give general/specific locations of where they send and receive stuff to the third party.
A couple issues which I've already thought of, and can't really come up with good answers to.
1. Shipping.
That stuff is expensive. Who would be paying to send the books? How would that work out? Maybe determine between the two people?
2. Reliability of the third party.
How do we know that the third party isn't just going to take our books and just vanish disappear? We'd have to establish a person or two who are comfortable with doing this, and who are trusted members of the community.
3. What about people who've been offered books, want to receive them, but are unwilling to give a receiving location?
There's a lot of conditional and subjective stuff.
That's really all I've thought of for now, but if you have any questions, thoughts, or concerns, please let me know! -
If this is a bad idea by
on 2018-01-12 01:02:00 UTC
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Please say so. If you don't like it, don't care about it, don't think people would care about it, please say so, and explain why. I might be missing something extremely important or simple here. I know I can be a little dim at times and if I've seriously missed something, just know that this idea is and was in earnest, with good intent. I am really just looking for any feedback at all on this.
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It's a nice idea. by
on 2018-01-13 16:38:00 UTC
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Unfortunately, I don't think it's a feasible one. First because of all the practical concerns, and second because I'm with doctorlit: any book of mine with particular sentimental value attached to it is one that I want to keep. Sending off ones I don't care about that much is not quite what you had in mind, I think. {= )
Plus I don't write in my books, that's sacrilege.
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Only because you asked for opinions: by
on 2018-01-12 11:56:00 UTC
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I want to keep all the books I already own. So I would be a little one-sided in an "exchange."
—doctorlit is selfish and materialistic, didn't you know? -
Shipping is very expensive. by
on 2018-01-12 09:13:00 UTC
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When we're talking overseas shipping - and remember we have members from at least six different countries here - you could be looking at twice the price of the book in some cases.
A few years back, we did a PPC postcard exchange, where people passed their addresses to a single person who dealt them out at random. It worked okay... once. No-one was really interested in doing it a second time.
Unfortunately, it seems that most of your post is just an attempt to work out the kinks in the shipping side - and I don't think they're resolvable. It's just too complex.
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Congratulations, you have invented a mail-order library. (nm) by
on 2018-01-11 05:05:00 UTC
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Perhaps, but with more emotional content? by
on 2018-01-11 05:23:00 UTC
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It's about giving, y'know? You get to keep the books. Maybe they're annotated by the giver. There's probably easier ways to do this. But it's an idea, is all. Might not be a good one - open for discussion.
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Re: Perhaps, but with more emotional content? by
on 2018-01-12 02:18:00 UTC
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I like this idea.
You've mentioned three concerns: high costs of postage, the risk of a borrower absconding with the borrowed books, and the privacy issues that arise with giving out a mailing address to a stranger on the Internet.
So, I have an idea, and while this doesn't address how satisfying it is to actually get a parcel in the mail or hold an actual printed book in your hands, it does address the problems you've already realized: what if we started trading things like public domain E-books? There are many over at Project Gutenberg, especially old classics that weren't copyrighted or that have had their copyright expire. The hard part is finding something that appeals to you out of all those titles and that's where having a large group with similar interests could come in handy in helping to sort through the massive amount of books to find what you're looking for.
You've also mentioned that there could be the potential for an emotional or a personal aspect to this, such as reading the annotations or the remarks left by the previous readers, which is also something that could be done electronically. After all, it's one thing to get a copy of an E-book, but it's another to get an E-book that a friend liked and recommended to you specifically based on what you like or don't.
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Is it possible to annotate e-books? by
on 2018-01-12 09:09:00 UTC
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I guess you could do it by copying the whole thing into Google Docs and adding comments, but is it something that can be done in an actual e-book format?
I quite like that part of the idea. Otherwise, it's just 'pls recommend me some old books', which isn't really the same thing.
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Re: Is it possible to annotate e-books? by
on 2018-01-13 16:28:00 UTC
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It is more than possible to annotate ebooks, but at this moment it doesn't look like most software quickly and readily supports saving those annotations inside the books and sending them to someone else, unfortunately, which is pretty inconvenient if you ask me. I haven't seen this use case officially supported by any of the Ebook readers yet.
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