Subject: Yeah, I confused her with Nissa. Sorry about that... (nm)
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Posted on: 2017-10-13 13:57:00 UTC
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Let's talk shipping by
on 2017-10-09 21:32:00 UTC
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I'm not too active in the shipping community... by
on 2017-10-16 01:08:00 UTC
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I mean, I create OCs who are in relationships with each other (I have nothing against canon-x-OCs that are done right, and indeed there are some fandoms such as Frozen where there are only one or two actually good ships that are canon-x-canon, but I don't really create OCs to ship with canons myself), but as for canon-x-canons, I don't really do much shipping. I do endorse canon ships, but you'll more likely find me tearing apart bad ships than creating good ones. (Again, most Frozen ships.) So yeah, that's my take on shipping.
-Twistey -
Power differentials by
on 2017-10-14 09:02:00 UTC
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I can take it or leave it. by
on 2017-10-12 19:06:00 UTC
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A brief question of semantics: by
on 2017-10-12 22:29:00 UTC
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Is it shipping if you're doing it entirely with OCs, or even entirely in an original universe? Because it seemed to me that shipping was about characters you didn't actually write. Was I wrong?
Seriously, it would be really nice to know, so that I can finally that sorted out. -
I never thought about it. by
on 2017-10-12 23:50:00 UTC
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"Ship" simply stems from "relationship," though, so I don't see why it can't apply to all sorts. "[Canon character]/OC" is definitely a pairing you see on fanfiction sites. And if somebody else ships characters you wrote, that's a ship, so why wouldn't it be if you do it yourself?
Has anyone come across any definitions or traditions that don't support shipping for OCs?
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Let's take that to its logical extreme. by
on 2017-10-13 12:02:00 UTC
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I think that's a different question. by
on 2017-10-13 22:22:00 UTC
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My thoughts by
on 2017-10-13 13:36:00 UTC
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That's certainly the definition I am familiar with... (nm) by
on 2017-10-13 13:56:00 UTC
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I tend to go with canon shippings (I'm boring that way). by
on 2017-10-12 16:36:00 UTC
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Or failing that, ships where the subtext is heavy enough you can't help but consider them as canon, even when no confirmation is given by WoG or anything (Subaru and Teana in Nanoha, Sayaka and Kyoko in Madoka, Sunset Shimmer and Sci-Twi in Equestria Girls, Lyra and Bon Bon in Friendship is Magic... You get the idea).
In fanfic, I don't mind shipping making sense relatively to the characters' personnality and development and their orientation when it's stated by the canon authors (no suddenly gay/straight/bi character when we already know their orientation). -
Weirdly enough... by
on 2017-10-12 14:22:00 UTC
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...I don't actively ship anything usually, with the exception of canon ships. I'll read basically any ship in fics and stuff (with the exceptions of incest/pedophilia/abuse/etc) but I don't think I've ever written any shippy stuff apart from for friends and things like that.
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AU shipfic is a magical thing! by
on 2017-10-11 10:37:00 UTC
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I devour it because I'm way more interested in how the characters interact than in the fic's inherent minutiae-friendliness. Fanfic of any kind asks questions about the media from which it derives, and shipfic in particular can ask some really fascinating ones about the characters they're shipping, and also about the ones they're not. Not all of them do, obviously - we wouldn't have DBS agents if they did - but it's still not something that should be discarded out of hand. At least, that's my view. =]
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So what you're saying is... by
on 2017-10-11 22:28:00 UTC
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... that shipfic is a good way to explore characters?
Yeah, that makes sense, and I'm inclined to agree that that's an important thing to do. (Since fanfiction is basically generally about extending/exploring a universe, IMO)
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P much, yeah. by
on 2017-10-11 23:08:00 UTC
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Though I'd also say that it can be a springboard for interrogating the broader themes of the original work. For instance, if anyone can point me in the direction of Ender's Game slash or a slow-burn romantic flower shop AU of anything by Heinlein, those'd be interesting to read. I just think there's so much potential for fanfiction to be used as criticism in the manner of old musical criticism - rather than a Baroque criticism of Monteverdi or whatever, we can have a slashfic or AUfic critique of modern popular media. It's the democratization of literary theory, of really thinking about what we consume rather than unquestioning canon-minutia memorization.
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But the better you know the minutiae... by
on 2017-10-12 12:17:00 UTC
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That's an excellent point. by
on 2017-10-12 12:26:00 UTC
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Immortality envy. by
on 2017-10-12 13:25:00 UTC
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On OSC and Mormons by
on 2017-10-12 14:52:00 UTC
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OSC isn't the greatest writer in the world, but I agree with hS here - he may be a bad person, but he's not a bad writer. Well, he's not an awful writer, anyways. Ender's Game is the only novel of his that I'd really recommend with no provisions. And I've read quite a bit of him.
OTOH, Sanderson's work is absolutely fantastic, and I'd recommend just about anything I've read by him with no reservations. -
On the subject of shipping by
on 2017-10-11 05:29:00 UTC
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I got OTPS, NOTPS, crackships and some very curious ones.
If they aren't canonically interested in that gender or lack thereof, I don't ship it.
If it isn't canonically stated outright their sexuality, well... Who doesn't swing even just a little bi?
If they are canonically in a relationship then I do not ship them with anyone else. If they already have a love interest I SHIP IT -
Oh boy, shipping... by
on 2017-10-10 22:46:00 UTC
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So I am basically the opposite of Thoth. I ship largely based on hypotheticals (which I guess could be called crackshipping?) and unless explicitly stated otherwise, I generally assume every character to be at the very least open to exploration, if not outright bi/pan.
My current favorite ships are CD-RW, Ultra Magnus/Megatron and Nautica/Brainstorm from IDW's Transformers comics, and Liliana/Chandra from Magic the Gathering (which is entirely based on the art of a single card from Kaladesh block) -
Regarding: MtG by
on 2017-10-11 00:47:00 UTC
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>Liliana/Chandra from Magic the Gathering (which is entirely based on the art of a single card from Kaladesh block)
I don't totally remember, but IIRC, there was a short story Wizards published for the Amonkhet block that substantiated that. -
Did someone say MTG? by
on 2017-10-12 22:35:00 UTC
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Yeah, I confused her with Nissa. Sorry about that... (nm) by
on 2017-10-13 13:57:00 UTC
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Sounds like an excuse for pluggage! by
on 2017-10-10 10:35:00 UTC
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Chapters 2&3 are now up. (nm) by
on 2017-10-12 12:08:00 UTC
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Well... by
on 2017-10-09 22:24:00 UTC
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Tangential point re: orientation by
on 2017-10-09 22:38:00 UTC
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Now, to give various slash authors some justification, most characters aren't explicitly specified to be straight, and bi people are a thing.
(Now, I don't think I'd use this because I'm not super-interested in writing that sort of thing, but it could be used to support a slashfic without adding another extra point of divergence to the implied AU or maybe without breaking canon at all.) -
Fair Enough by
on 2017-10-10 13:27:00 UTC
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As usual, I've stated my position poorly. I'll see if I can do better the second time around.
Many popular ships are for characters with pre-existing canon relationships. Which can imply orientation, or at least something about that character. People are bi, and people experiment, so it's often not so much orientation that's the problem as it is personality in many cases. There are many fics that just outright ignore canon relations, which... breaks things. James would not be getting it on with Sirius as an adult, because James is absolutely in love with Lilly, and would never do that to her. -
Oh yeah by
on 2017-10-10 13:45:00 UTC
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And that's my biggest concern: by
on 2017-10-10 13:58:00 UTC
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Characters
I really don't care what you do in terms of a lot of things. But if you mess with the characters that I know and love...
Well, THAT is what gets me angry.