Subject: Further explanation acknowledged.
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Posted on: 2017-08-19 21:28:00 UTC
Well, I've been reading and skulking around the wiki for years, so after reading an awful lot of fanfic that inspired gag-reflexes in me recently, I figured I'd take the time to jump in here and introduce myself.
I seem to be going by Thoth around the 'net of late, so I may as well take the name here, too. Let me know if it's taken or otherwise an issue, I'll change it. Don't let me know that it's overly pretentious. I'm aware.
While I've spitballed ideas for agents with some friends, I'm not a terribly accomplished fanfic author, so that's probably not happening anytime soon.
Fandoms: mainly 40k. I am a fan of many things (I can't count the number of series I can see from here), but that's that's the only community I'm active in ATM.
I'm rather verbose (noticed yet?), technically inclined, and a sucker for moral ambiguity in fiction. I've also run out of things to say. Any questions?
Hi! I'm Calliope, more frequently abbreviated to Cal. We're both named after writing people, so yay for that!
(Then again, I'm also named for a musical instrument, a Homestuck character, and a missile silo. I like meaningful names.)
Here, have a few Newbie Gifts! You get the standard set of roleplaying dice in whatever color and/or pattern and/or texture you want, plus a calligraphic copy of the Imperial Creed to decorate your Boarder RC (I think we have those, and if not, we do now).
If you decide to join the Discord, you should join us for Dark Heresy at some point! We need another player, because some of ours had to leave - one for moral reasons, one because life got in the way. All we have now is a Tech-Priest, a Psyker, and a Cleric with a budding reputation for seducing inanimate objects (and the occasional heretic, but those were accidental). Plus, you know, Our Lord GM. But he's not a player.
I shall consider it.
Thanks for the dice, and the copy of the Imperial Creed (An extra copy of the Lectitio Divinatus always comes in handy. I believe Rogal Dorn uses his as building material). In return, I bequeath to you a copy of the Imperial Truth (to be used as reading material, or as a firestarter: your choice), and any book you want from what I've been able to recover of the libraries of Prospero. With this name, what were you expecting? :D
Be careful with some of that stuff, though. Clever, accurate, and astonishingly prescient though some of it may be, things did NOT end well for its previous owners, fanfiction written by people who really should know better aside.
One of the players just felt that some of the choices she may have been obligated to make were too morally grey. 40K is, after all, rather dark.
Apologies for worrying you.
Frankly, I'm amazed that you managed to find any options in 40K that are bright enough to even call grey.
hS
There are plenty of 40k scenarios that aren't really all that morally grey at all. Of course, most of those don't apply to Inquisitors. But seeing as you've been there, done that, and written the essay, I don't think you need telling.
If you REALLY want to play the unambiguous good guys, go play Deathwatch, roll up some Salamanders, and go fight Orks or 'Nids or something. :-)
I believe they also have a Deathwatch campaign. I don't know if we have any Salamanders, but we should, because they are not only blokes with flamethrowers but very nice blokes with flamethrowers. If I recall, the two campaigns sort of tie into each other, or such?
Also in addition: hello! Welcome! I am their player who left for real life reasons. I did not greet you because of real life reasons. But, hey, now they're over!
And they'll be back next week and I'll be gone next week, probably.
But for now, helloooooo!
And I assume you're as invited to the Deathwatch campaign as you are to the Dark Heresy campaign!
My gift upon you is: a bunch of armour full of dust. Magic armour.
Somebody's read the rest of this thread. Or at least my username :-).
Thanks for the "armour." You didn't open them, right? Of course you didn't. So I guess my legion of terror gets a few more members...
Anyways yeah. The Salamanders are great. The only chapters that might be nicer are The Lamenters.
And speaking of nice chapters, I just recalled something: NEVER trust TVTropes to get anything about 40k right. No, really. For demonstration, here is part of the entry for "Only Sane Man":
The Space Wolves are the closest thing to a Sane Man in the galaxy. Consider: after the first victory on Armageddon, the Inquisition starts rounding up civilians into forced labor camps and shooting down Imperial Guard ships, all in the name of preventing the knowledge of Chaos to spread, the whole thing masterminded by a spectacularly inept Inquisitor. The Space Wolves who had fought alongside these people did not take kindly to their eradication, and used their ships to transport Guardsmen, refusing to respond to Inquisitorial and even Grey Knights fire. The whole thing ended up in a cold war that almost ended in open war with the Wolves, their planet-fortress severely damaged, and a Grey Knights Grand Master dead.
We've only slaughtered a few hundred heretics at this point. Mina left far, far before that.
Yes, that puzzled me as well. Maybe he got corrupted/had to do something awful, and REALLY didn't want to play the bad guy?
Here, since the original Thoth is the god of knowledge and other very scholarly things, have a few journals that totally aren't Dr. Schabbs's records of his experiments with making zombies! (I've been looking for a place to put these. They were too cool to destroy like I was ordered to.)
Anyway, hi! I'm Twistey, an uberchaotic neutral lightly-used-bie. I am in tons of fandoms, my main one being Wolfenstein 3D or just iD Software in general. I am obsessed with OC creation and other aspects of fandoms that deal with how friendly the canon is to the fans. This may have something to do with the fact that I also write tons and tons of original fiction along with the fanfic. (No, not fafnic or fnafic. Jeez, I can't type today.) A lot of my non-PPC fanfiction may end up being crack fic or other stuff that's not meant to be taken seriously, but I'll have to see how it ends up.
What are the ideas you've had for agents? I'd like to get a general idea of what you want to do once you're ready to write them. (You can write them doing non-mission things as pre-agents, from what I've seen. I think.) As I said, I love character creation, so I might offer a few pointers with regards to your characters. Nice to meet you!
-Twistey
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"Wait, who's Dr. Schabbs?" Glad you asked!
http://wolfenstein.wikia.com/wiki/Dr._Schabbs
Thanks for the journals. I could use some light reading for when I get back to more scholarly content. SICP is hard on a man :-).
For agents? Nothing concrete. We've considered putting a pre-existing OC into the role (we have many of them)[1], but most of them are Space Marines, which hard: Marines tend to be pretty serious (even when I'm writing them, and I can't keep a straight tone for 5 minutes), and are kinda tricky to write. I mostly play/write Thousand Sons (with a name like this you could have guessed), so I can get away with more than some - seeing as how any of them may be half-mad already - but it's still tricky.
My writing partner (who you'll likely meet soon enough) suggested the possibility having a team from two different canons, so I'm not even locked to 40k: I have additional considerations to make here. Before coming up with a solid pitch, we'll probably have to talk more.
[1]You want to talk about friendly to fanfiction? 40k practically generates OCs and fic: I was honestly a little shocked that the 40k wiki entry said we don't write fanfic: We do. But then I realized that most of it is a) AARs, and thus debatably fanfic, b) 90% of the stuff gets publication outside the usual avenues, ending up on spacebattles, dakkadakka, bolter and chainsword, or the mighty /tg/ and its corresponding wiki (1d4chan), and c) even then we don't write as much as some other fandoms.
Hehe, "light reading". More like "how to make a zombie reading." Anyway.
Interesting note about Warhammer 40k being really fanfic-friendly. (Yeah, I looked it up to make sure that that was what you were talking about - I've heard of the game before via its section on fantasynamegenerators.com.) That's kind of sad that your fandom doesn't get much recognition even from its own wiki. Maybe you should bring someone's attention to the fanfic, like someone who can bring further attention to it. *Almost says something speculative about the amount of badfic in 40k, but decides against it because the optimistic statement would give the Ironic Overpower something to do.*
About your agent ideas, maybe you should put one of each into one of your teams, so that the clash of one really uber-serious person and one person of debatable sanity will result in an endless fountain of comedy. The team from two different canons thing also sounds like a good idea, given how characters from different canons would be used to different things. The best agent teams are agents who work well together, but still manage to generate comedy through their differences. That's part of why PPC fic is fun to read. :)
-Twistey
Yep, that was along the lines I was thinking.
Oh, and I wasn't talking about OUR wiki, I was talking about the PPC wiki. Which, I must say, provides one of the best introductions I've seen to the vast, expansive, insane, REALLY REALLY BIG canon of 40k, despite it having no missions I've seen, and only a few Agents originating from the continuum. So some applause is in order for that.
And the 40k badfic? Yeah. I've seen some of it. It doesn't help that in 40k, "non-canon" is technically not an objective term, and that canon can shift out from under you. However, that's no excuse for not doing your research, overturning things commonly accepted as canon/fanon, or for being wrong about something that's been the same for 30 years.
One of the nice things about 40k is that it's got a nice corner of canon to place the really disturbing... adult fics, with a canon faction that explicitly has all your disturbing... interests (not sure I can say that word here). Which just makes it more annoying when badfic writers proceed to then write adult fic about factions which are canonically not interested, and also alter their biology to make it work instead.
Sorry. I just read something truly eye-bleedingly bad, which might be affecting this.
Anyways, if you want some 40k GOODFIC, (it seemed to be implied) then that I can do:
Avoiding Stupid Deaths in the 41st Millenium [Rated T]
(http://www.fanfiction.net/s/11122882/1/Avoiding-Stupid-Deaths-in-the-41st-Millennium): Yet another variant on Skippy's list (initially), it's a fascinating insight into the life of a guardsman, and progressively grows its own continuity, and even a story arc. Also, it's bloody hilarious.
Toyhammer [Rated T]
(https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5474237/1/40k-ToyHammer): A somewhat popular concept for 40k fanfic is that of "living 40k models", or, alternatively, of 40k characters coming into our world at 40k scale, both in the vein of Indian In The Cupboard. A couple of fics have done it, but this is the only one that matters, because it is so good the others fade into irrelevance. It is funny, touching, and highly entertaining, evolving from madcap comedy to something that feels - atmosphere-wise, anyways - a lot like Animorphs.
Warhammer High T-NSFW, but the site's NSFW as a whole: WHH is not the obligatory Highschool AU (THAT would be HS40k). It's actually something far stranger.
WHH takes place in an AU where the Emperor was a bit more careful - and probably nicer, and smarter - the Horus Heresy never happened, and the Crusade ended. He gave the Primarchs devices which would allow them to conceive - with a wife, of course - daughters. Who then go to Highschool together.
Yeah, I know, it sounds weird at best, awful at worst, and since it's a shared universe, some of the fics are (and there's at least one Mary Sue, in theory, but AFAICT he's never been written about). However, it's actually shockingly good, due in no small part to the work of the writer Someone Else, whose stories in the setting are the ones I would recommend the most. For introductions, I suggest his adorable and rather sappy fic "Venus's Burn" NSFW which convinced me that this wasn't an awful idea.
Confessions of a Wayward Son T: I'm not sure about putting this one one here, and it's not without it's problems. Also, I love the Thousand Sons. Like I said, I'm a sucker for moral ambiguity, and the Sons can do that pretty well when they want to. It helps that they've got (IMHO) one of the best villains in the setting. So I may be slightly biased towards this fic. Decide if it's any good for yourself.
Anyways, one semi-common (from what I've seen) fanfic premise is the idea of the Chaos Space Marine who goes rogue. Think Drizzt as your frame of reference, but less speshul (hopefully). This is, I think, a pretty good execution of that concept. For one thing, this premise makes a good deal more sense for the Sons than for just about any other Chaos Legion. Besides, being transported to an evil world of horror and corruption and then later seeing all of your friends turned into mindless robots by accident might make you rethink your allegiances. So our protagonist goes rogue and sets out to fight the forces of Chaos on his own. And things get kind of interesting. Then the fic abruptly ends because the author vanished into thin air.
If The Emperor Had A Text-To-Speech Device T - extreme profanity: Does it count as a fanfic if it's video? Whatever, I couldn't leave this one out.
What began as a one-off video rather acerbically going after some of the... less liked elements of 40k canon (at least, during the "glory days" of 5th and early 6th edition: things have improved somewhat since then) ended up being a lot more. TTS as it stands has a solid cast recurring characters, an actual plot and story arc, and is funnier than ever. Yeah, 40k's comedies tend to get hit by Cerebus a lot. It has an expanded universe with even more stuff, there's an IC podcast now... Look, just go watch it: it's a big part of how and why I got into 40k, and it's just really funny.
Sadly, the playlist is missing some of the newer episodes (namely, Special #4, where Kitten plays The God of Fate at Yu-Gi-Oh! - no, I'm not joking, yes, this IS plot-relevant), so you may just have to scroll down the video feed for them.
That's probably enough for now.
You needn't risk your life for that. Besides, the OC wot took my name (started as a barebones character I made for RP reasons, kinda took on a life of his own) CAN shoot fire out of his hands, so maybe I inherited the ability in reverse. I mean, what have I got to lose? Save my life, sanity, freedom, and immortal soul, of course...
As for wanting to pick of 40k, I CAN give you some advice regarding how to do so.
First off, do you want to play the RPGs, or the wargame? If you want to play the (bloody fantastic) RPGs, I can suggest that you pirate them with no moral regrets: the books are out of print, and they're likely never coming back. They all run similar or identical systems: I suggest Dark Heresy (the CoC/Spanish Inquisition/whatever one where you play normal humans trying to stop the cults of the Dark Gods^H^H^H^HBits of Emotion With an Inflated Sense of Self-Worth), or Rogue Trader (Screw over Xenos and sell things for profit! It's like the 1700s. IN SPACE), but the more fighty RPGs like Only War (Guardsman Simulator! Remember, you are replaceable and will not be missed), Deathwatch (Purge the Xenos! Burn the Heretic! Destroy the Enemies of Mankind! Play super-soldiers that GW still won't admit that they initially rippied off from Robert Heinlein!), and Black Crusade (BE the evil corrupted Chaos Worshippers you've been fighting!) are also very good.
If you want to play the WARGAME, then you'll need a lot more cash. If you recall, Magic: the Gathering has the nickname "cardboard crack", both for its price and for its addictiveness. 40k is worse. Games Workshop gouges its customers for money. I do have some tips, though:
1: Proxies are your friend: In a friendly game, you needn't own all the models in your army. Something with the same approximate height and base size will do.
2: Collect slow: pick an army, don't turn back: Don't agonize over what army to pick. Just pick one whose lore grabs your interest, and stick with it. If you don't want to blow the bank, it will be a while before you've got a big army, and even longer if you split the effort between forces. But remember you only need a few units to have a good fight with a friend.
3: On Citadel Supplies: The paints are expensive, but worth it if you can afford them. DO NOT BUY ANY OTHER CITADEL SUPPLIES. Even the paint's optional: you want (although you don't NEED) model paint, but Vallejo, Coat d'Arms (online only), ArmyPainter, Reaper, and others will provide comparable or better products in similar colors. See what your local shops sell.
4: Games to play with few models: There are Skirmish games that use the same models as 40k: Killteam: Heralds of Ruin (free from it's site if you've got the now-outdated 7e rules, but an 8e update is in the works) and GW's own Shadow War: Armageddon are both fantistic, and rather cheaper to play than 40k proper. I'd even argue that SWA might be a bit more fun. However, both use Templates and Scatter Dice (special equipment which 8th edition jettisoned). Templates can be printed or replicated with a ruler, but Scatter dice actually must be bought. I got mine for less than a dollar from a Games Workshop store.
5: Just... Don't: The real appeal of 40k is its setting and world. IMHO, it is FAR from the best wargame out there. Hell, because of SWA (and Necromunda!), I'd say it's not even the best wargame in its own setting anymore. It's gotten a lot better (well 8e screwed psykers, but in ALL other respects...), but there are better games you can play. SWA is better, the soon-to-return Adeptus Titanicus is better (heck, we might even get Epic back). It's not a bad game, and you may like it more than I do (I DO like it, but it is too expensive to get a strong reccomendation from me), but if you want to pick up a wargame to play, right now, I'd tell you to pick up either SWA or BattleTech Alpha Strike (or BattleTech proper, depending on your complexity tolerance). Both games are cheaper, have cheaper models (BT may not even require you to BUY models), and both are IMHO a lot more fun than 40k. But that's just me...
As to getting into 40k lore... Well, that's a lot easier and cheaper. You COULD spend $50 dollars on a Codex - a book of game rules and lore - for a faction you may never play (7th edition 40k Core not only suggested that you do this, but claimed it was common practice. I was ready to choke the author), or you could do what most people do and read the wikis.
First, a preface: 40k lore is a mess. A glorious mess, but a mess all the same. Some of it is self-contradictory. GW's stance is that "everything is canon, but canon doesn't mean TRUE," so some stuff might be propaganda, misinformation, or flat out lies. Like everything that comes out of C.S. Goto's mouth, but that's another story. So no source is entirely authoritative, nor is it possible to be so.
Having said that, there are three primary wikis for 40k:
- Lexicanum: If you want the facts, Lexicanum will give them to you. It may not have all the detail in the world, but if there's a thing that's been mentioned somewhere in the 40k universe, then Lexicanum's probably got an article about it.
-The Warhammer 40k Wikia: I don't have to link this one, I think. The difference between Lexicanum and the Wikia is that the Lexicanum is wide, the Wikia is deep: It may not have an article on what you're looking for, but if it does, it will probably go more in-detail about it than Lexicanum does. I believe it may also cover game mechanics and such, but I'm not sure.
-1d4chan [NSFW]: 1d4chan isn't a 40k wiki. But it is an important part of the culture of at least one portion of the 40k fandom.
1d4chan is the official wiki of 4chan's /tg/ board - which I heartily recommend visiting if you are to sort who likes that sort of thing (that is, tabletop games and 4chan) - and what a wiki it is. /tg/ is very 40k focused, so it's got articles about all the big stuff in 40k (and some of the not-so-big stuff). However, it makes no pretense of being unbiased, providing insight into both the universe and its fans. It is also home to a wide variety of excellent AARs (after action reports - like Fanfic, but they (possibly) really happened at someone's gaming table) and fanfic. Love Can Bloom, the previously mentioned Warhammer High, Love and Krieg, Gav and Bob, Half Life 40k, Orkhammer, and other classic or otherwise fics call this place home, as do classic and much loved bits of fanon, most famously the Angry Marines (ALWAYS ANGRY! ALL THE TIME!)
In addition, if you're a roleplayer outside of 40k, it holds some fics and that are well and truly legendary, and others that should be. I could write a list, but the big one, the almighty legend of roleplaying, is Old Man Henderson. If you don't know Old Man Henderson, go read it. Now. I am dead serious.
But I digress. Just read around what interests you. Then go watch "If the Emperor had a Text-To-Speech Device" once you've got the basics down. Hey, it worked for me.
The other big way to attain information about 40k lore is through the books. The output of the Black Library is of varying quality: Some books and authors are universally loved, others are hated so much that the fandom - and even other BL authors - essentially consider their works non-canon (most infamously, C.S. Goto). Due to the canon policy stated above, this can actually happen. Here are some notable authors, and also some authors I know stuff about:
-Dan Abnett: Wrote Gaunt's Ghosts (Sharpe in 40k) among many other things. Is usually considered to be one of, if not the best writer Black Library's got, or ever had. I've really got to read this guy.
-Graham McNeil: The second of BL's largely-undisputed Holy Trinity. He also wrote a lot of stuff. Most important to me is that he wrote "A Thousand Sons," "The Crimson King," and most of other lore and background that defined my Legion's character from that point onward. His work tends to be more thoughtful: less action, more dialogue. Heck, one of his most well-known short stories, "The Last Church," is mostly just two characters talking. And talking religion and philosophy at that.
-Sandy Mitchell: The third (and sadly gone - he left BL) member of The Trinity. Sandy Mitchell is the author of Ciaphas Cain series, which is a blackly comedic series about a the famous commissar- just go read it already. It's good.
-Aaron Dembski-Bowden: The first more controversial writer on our list. On one hand, his Night Lords books were very well-received, and he apparently had some responsibility for making the Grey Knights less Sue-ish (not that he could have made them MORE Sue-ish). OTOH, he wrote "Master of Mankind." Which just by its plot summary and quotes makes me and many others think he's been writing Chaos for so long that he's forgotten who the Emperor IS. Many fans consider it noncanon, or at least untrue, as is their right. In 40K, canon works the way YOU do XD (to an extent).
-John French: Some Iron Warriors fans hate this guy. Thousand Sons fans (me) and others? not so much (seriously, if you read his 1d4 page, you can tell which bits were written by IW fans). Although his IW books do sound kinda dumb. Right now I'm reading his Ahriman Trilogy. The man literally had me at the introduction - as he described his ideas and intents, it was made clear that he understood what the character was about, and he know what he wanted to do with him. Thus far, the book's been pretty good. Then again, he had excellent material to work with: IMHO, Ahriman is one of the most compelling villains, if not one of the most compelling characters in 40k.
So there we go. Absurdly long, I know. Hope it helps!
Okay then, fair enough. If you've already got fire powers, the VFF is just kind of a collector's item and hazard.
0. Alllllllllrighty. I'll have to see which one I think I want.
1. Okay then. Smart idea.
2. Okay then. Makes sense.
3. Alrighty. Don't get anything but the paints or stuff by other brands. Got it.
4. Okay then. Other games can be played with almost the same stuff. Got it.
5. Okay, I'll check those ones out first before seeing if I want to invest stuff in 40k.
6. Okay then. Maybe I'll just read the wikis and maybe get some friends into it and be kind of a moderator/GM type or some'n. Do you have those?
7. Hokay then. I'll try checking out all of them (as long as my computer doesn't block 1d4chan like a derp.) It's good to have a balance between one wide wiki and one deep wiki, and a look into the fandom.
8. Ooh. I like it when a game where things are centered around characters made by the players also puts out little pieces of lore for people to enjoy. (Which is kind of contradictory... hmm, maybe I should actually watch somebody playing Minecraft: Story Mode before I go rapid fire on it again. Actually, nah. It's stupid. Wither Storm? Order of the Stone? Seriously?! That's not a thing! And Minecraft is one of those games where it's too open for a story mode to even be good ever... oh right, I need to read the rest of Thoth's post about 40k. Whoops.)
9. Okay then. I'll know who to look for and what to watch out for. (Although once I'm done with reading the good stuff and getting a good grip of canon, I'll have to read CS Goto's stuff so I can laugh my socks off like I do with bad fanfic.)
Thanks for the advice! I will also be reading the second post, but I'll reply separately.
-Twistey
Oh! Almost forgot: https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Your_Dudes
The name of the page, though... what are my "dudes" exactly?
-Twistey
That was written for gamers. Although it can also apply to writing, despite being somewhat dismissive of it. Does your computer block github? if not: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/51403d0b66a698d525609fdd1760f635
The formatting's a tad awkward, but it ought to be readable.
I realized I should probably explain this further...
As a general rule (of what is accepted within the fandom, in my experience), you are not allowed to replace canon with your awful fanon, just because "everything is canon but not necessarily true." No, the Siege on Terra didn't get routed by the Angry Marines, don't write fanfic about the Angry Marines period, who let you in here?
It is also considered unacceptable to just outright deny any major historical event or bit of characterization: The Council of Nikea, the Drop Site Massacre, the destruction of the Interex, and so on, did happen. The Dark Angels and the Space Wolves DO have a rivalry, and if you're writing in M42, the events of Dark Imperium happened, whether you want them to or not.
What IS acceptable is discard newer radical shifts in characterization, retcons, and so on. Which is why to this day you'll see fics where the Necrons are killer robot automatons, and as far as I know nobody save Aaron Dembski-Bowden ever characterizes the Emperor as a cold, emotionless, Lex-Luthor type character who doesn't care about anyone.
In addition, it is okay - basically mandatory - to discard obvious propaganda, particularly most things about the strength of characters: yes, Space Marines are more powerful in canon then on the table, but each Space Marine is not equivalent to 2000 Guardsmen: That's insane.
Once again, hope this helps.
I haven't done this in a while, but here, have some chocolate!
And by "newbie", I mean "returning oldbie". Whoops. We really need an edit option...
Please have this pot of black-hole coffee.
Have this replica of Midorima Shintarou's lucky pencil. Throw it if you need to answer an ABCD question and all the options look the same as the other. Good luck, nanodayo.
Welcome to the board! Have a replica of Excalibur, hopefully the replica is not as annoying as the original.
We have assorted 40k fans hereabouts - I'm not the biggest fan, but I do have a trio of Imperial Navy cruisers proudly displayed on my bookshelf.
*gives Thoth an Imperial Navy officer's hat*
Welcome!
Thanks!
I have noticed the smaller pool of 40k fans around here. But I've got my Discworld set close at hand, so I'll be fine.
Here, take some Klatchian Coffee. Don't worry if you don't like it: you can probably trade it off to the Astartes for *something* decent: they love the stuff.
I'd recommend the Blood Ravens if you want to try that. Some of the chapters might get... finicky about that sort of thing.
Welcome aBoard! Have some freshly-made SPaGhetti!
The only question I really have is: Have you taken a look at the Constitution?
Hope you like it here!
The SPaGhetti is appreciated. And yes, I did read the Constitution.
I wasn't in need of extra SPaG, was I? I did proofread, but at present I'm a Dreaded Phoneposter(TM). So there's always that risk...
I just like to give people SPaGhetti as a newbie gift.
Also, we have a Discord you can join if you're so interested—just look up the Lounge on the Wiki.