Subject: If you look deep enough, I think Sexy! Shelob already exist. (nm
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Posted on: 2017-07-23 15:48:00 UTC
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Friday Forum: Once more unto the breach. by
on 2017-07-21 10:25:00 UTC
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Another week, another bout of news... much of this comes from the first half of the week, for some reason.
Please remember that, when it comes to the state of the world, not everyone will agree with you. You're free to state, discuss, and defend your viewpoint (provided it does not violate the Constitution), but please don't use that fact to attack others.
Fandom News
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It seems there's a movie coming out next spring about the formation of the bond between humans and dogs. So... I guess the whole 'gritty violent period drama' thing (see: Vikings, The Last Kingdom, etc etc) has reached its apex with this? Unless they want to do 'Sapiens versus Neanderthals', I suppose...
I knew I had to post it the instant I saw the above shot of the wolf drinking in an adorably angry way. "I'll take your help - but I'm not happy about it."
Silly News
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Google have added the International Space Station to Street View, and it is glorious. You can wander into the cupola, the inflatable module, the Russian and US labs... everywhere.
A few things to look out for:
-The guitar on a wall.
-The religious icons in the Russian section.
-The treadmill on the 'wall' - zero gravity, folks!
-The US sleeping arrangements... well, I haven't found these yet!
Serious News
(America & Switzerland)
In American news, Twitter Personality & President Donald Trump tweeted the following:
As I have always said, let ObamaCare fail and then come together and do a great healthcare plan. Stay tuned!
Now, I'm sure I remember him going on and on about how he was going to repeal Obamacare immediately, but I'm sure we can trust him to tell us what he's 'always said'. More importantly: this is literally a plan to let the peasants suffer for a while so they're grateful when he bails them out of things. That's... um, vile?
In lighter news(!), a melting glacier in the Swiss Alps has revealed the bodies of a couple missing for 75 years. They vanished in 1942 after heading up to tend to their cows.
Tragically/heartwarmingly, their youngest daughter - who is now 79 - is planning to hold a funeral for them. She was four when they disappeared; that's a very long time to wait.
Not News
Nobody said anything about the appearance of Alolan Vulpix in The Last Jedi. Lookit the crystal fox! Just lookit!
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In "hS starts trying to murder his computer" news... by
on 2017-07-23 10:03:00 UTC
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Shadow of War revealed Shelob.
Shelob is...
Somewhat different now. -
... At least Tolkien won't ever stop rolling after that? (nm) by
on 2017-07-24 06:28:00 UTC
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Nope. Nope. Abort mission. Nope. (nm) by
on 2017-07-23 23:46:00 UTC
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Aiya Earendil elenion ancalima... (nm) by
on 2017-07-23 21:56:00 UTC
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Or Ambarenya Ataninna mentana! by
on 2017-07-24 10:30:00 UTC
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Well, that was... completely ludicrous. On the plus side, Spider!Shelob is pretty scary. She has a nice angular shape which looks much more intrinsically menacing than the standard bulbous one.
On the minus side... everything else.
... I have to preemptively correct myself here. I was all ready to say that Ungoliant absolutely couldn't change hershape, but then I went to the source text in the Silm. Here's the introduction of the Unlight herself:
The Eldar knew not whence she came; but some have said that in ages long before she descended from the darkness that lies about Arda, when Melkor first looked down in envy upon the Kingdom of Manwë, and that in the beginning she was one of those that he corrupted to his service. But she had disowned her Master, desiring to be mistress of her own lust, taking all things to herself to feed her emptiness; and she fled to the south, escaping the assaults of the Valar and the hunters of Oromë, for their vigilance had ever been to the north, and the south was long unheeded. Thence she had crept towards the light of the Blessed Realm; for she hungered for light and hated it.
In a ravine she lived, and took shape as a spider of monstrous form, weaving her black webs in a cleft of the mountains. There she sucked up all light that she could find, and spun it forth again in dark nets of strangling gloom, until no light more could come to her abode; and she was famished.
So. Ungoliant isn't a Maia - she's said (by Tolkien, here, so we have to take it as canon) to have come down before Melkor - which means before any of the Valar. That places her in a special category with Tom 'before the Dark Lord came from outside' Bombadil, so very select company.
But... yes, it seems that Ungoliant could explicitly and canonically change shape. Can that be inherited? The mearas seem to have gotten some traits from their potential forefather Nahar, steed of Orome; Huan is clearly more than just a big dog, despite being born as a puppy; and Luthien the Nightingale had enough power to bind Melkor himself in sleep, which must(?) have come from her mother, who once lived in the gardens of Irmo Lorien. So tentatively, yes, it's possible for 'divine' traits to be passed down to children, and that could include shapeshifting.
I really don't like saying that. >(
Fortunately, I get to agree with Nesh on the other part: there is absolutely no way Ungoliant or her spawn were gifted with Sight of any kind. Ungoliant got whipped by Balrogs for lack of it; Shelob got stabbed by a midget. Forward planning was never their thing. And, yes, it goes directly against their whole theme: even Manwe's Sight couldn't see through the Unlight of Ungoliant, and that sort of thing always goes both ways (witness Frodo's troubles with being spotted by Sauron in the Mirror of Galadriel, or with Amon Hen - and the bi-directionality of the palantiri).
Nesh is right that Ungoliant and Shelob are Tolkien's embodiments of Hunger. They may help others, but only for direct personal gain. Since Shelob clearly doesn't have her mother's light-eating abilities (Ungoliant lusted for the Silmarils, while Shelob runs from the trapped essence of the distant light of one of them), that means food. Of course, Talion and Celebrimbor don't look especially edible...
There's a couple of other things in the trailer that make me even more :O (in a bad way). It seems that Minas Ithil is a Gondorian fortress at this point - you know, the one that's been the Tower of Sorcery for thousands of years? Yeah, that one. Timeline hypercompression is in full swing. But let's ignore that! We have something else to attend to:
This is either Celebrimbor (from his appearance) or Sauron (from the fact that he shows up over the line 'The Great Deceiver will pay for his betrayal'). Of course, Shelob claims the two of them 'are one', so depending on how literal she's being, that might not even be a sensible question.
Either way, whoever it was hung out with Shelob... and is certainly implied to be offering her that three-stoned Ring. Which... could be anything. It's not one of the Movieverse Three or Seven, and obviously isn't the One or Brim's Other One, but after that...
My best guess is that it's either one of the Nine, or a lesser ring. Whether it's being offered to Shelob as a bribe in the present or the past, I don't know.
Oh, and speaking of Rings... guess what Shelob got hold of:
That's Brim's Ring on her finger. We get a few good looks at it throughout the trailer, and I remember that it's inscribed in English using a Tengwar font (not English in Tengwar, you understand, but English keymappings with Tengwar letters)... I wonder if I can get more of the inscription off.
I thought I couldn't. 'r-e-j', it read, and I slumped. Then a couple of letters letter I had a capital I, so clearly it was just gibberish now. Nevertheless, I persevered to the end of the word, flicked the font from Tengwar to English, and saw:
'rejoice.'
... okay then! Let's do this.
Here's what I've been able to read. Unlike the first trailer, we get a good look at both the inner and outer inscription, so:
Which you can type into your preferred Tengwar font and read as:
Outer: You [...] light undiminished, All shall fear me and rejoice.
Inner: I renounce the Blessed Realm. To redeem the Land of Shadow.
Things to note:
-Yes, that's a misquote/inversion of Galadriel there on the outside.
-This is a seriously messed-up message, with Celebrimbor basically refusing to go to Heaven in order to... mind-control some orcs or something.
-I filled in parts of the latter half of the inner message from the previous trailer (this version shows 'to red... adow', so I'm preeetty confident). Which means...
-They've reversed the Ring from last time! You can't see the image any more (PHOTOBUCKET! [Shakes fist]), but you can watch the original trailer yourself and see portions of that 'inner' text on the outside of the One More Ring. That's... I don't even know why you'd do that.
The tagline at the end of the trailer is 'Nothing will be forgotten'. Between Shelob, Minas Ithil, and now getting their own Ring inside out... I tend to doubt that. ;)
hS
PS: Is it bad that I kiiiiiind of want to write the story of Bombadil and Ungoliant fighting it out on Arda before the Valar arrive? She's the Dark Before the Stars, he's the Song of the Earth... it could work! -
Joy, more for Gerald the Half-Nazgul. by
on 2017-07-25 10:12:00 UTC
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And if I read some news right, they're also suggesting the Three were created with some influence from Sauron... When the fact Celebrimbor had crafted alone on Sauron's back was the entire point. Who the heck is in charrge for the lore on these games?
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That sounds like a neat fic idea by
on 2017-07-24 17:11:00 UTC
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I can't really comment on how easy it'd be to make work, since my knowledge of the Tolkienverse is rather rusty.
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I... I'm sorry... what? by
on 2017-07-23 15:39:00 UTC
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So.
Okay.
I think I see what they're trying to do? Shelob in this is like the anti-Galadriel. Which is. Kinda cool, I guess. From a thematic point of view. Or something.
And, okay, there might be some sort of logic train that goes Ungoliant = Maia, so therefore her children = Maiar, and Maiar wear fleshly forms like clothing, so therefore they can change them like you'd change your shirt.
But. Uh. We never see any of them actually do that in canon, except maybe Sauron the Deceiver.
And seriously, did we read the same books? As I recall, Shelob's main character trait was hunger, and she lived in near-total darkness, fearing the light, so where they're pulling this Sight thing from, I don't like to contemplate.
Eru save us from ever having to PPC a Sexy!Shelob fic. >.<
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If you look deep enough, I think Sexy! Shelob already exist. (nm by
on 2017-07-23 15:48:00 UTC
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Ix has asked me to post an image response: by
on 2017-07-23 22:44:00 UTC
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Newsssss by
on 2017-07-22 16:57:00 UTC
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That ice fox is adorable. Absolutely adorable.
Also Dream Daddy: A Dad Dating Simulator is out, and I like it! Very cute. -
Ooh boy! Reaction time! by
on 2017-07-21 23:08:00 UTC
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To Fandom News: Somebody's out of ideas. But yet, it's cute.
To Silly News: Oh! Oh that's pretty fun!
To Serious News US: No comment.
To Serious News Switzerland: That's an interesting story, and indeed very heartwarming, as you said.
To Not News: Making references to other popular fandoms just because they're popular. Star Wars has fallen.
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Regarding 'gritty violent period drama'... by
on 2017-07-21 12:10:00 UTC
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I like it. I honestly like it. Extremely much. So much that I do not talk to my closest allies often because they go watch rerun of Naruto and Boruto, Bleach, and patiently watch One Piece, while I wonder when Vinland Saga will ever get their anime adaptation.
However, having a 'less gritty somewhat comedy period drama' should be an explored genre. Where's the show of Venetian bankers trying to make that absentee landlord pays his bank dues? What about the daily troubles of trying to run a commedie del arte shows while touring through Europe? What about Buginese 'pirates' trying to escape the clutches of Dutch taxes? Or, some sports, such as a knight trying to win tournaments? We have a movie about that, but come on, it's been a long time. -
I like that idea. by
on 2017-07-21 15:22:00 UTC
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Sort of Shakespearean comedy but without the need to be tied to Shakespeare's scripts and sphere of knowledge.
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I've never seen a crystal fox (nm) by
on 2017-07-21 10:34:00 UTC
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Lookit! It's adonkable! (nm) by
on 2017-07-21 11:05:00 UTC
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