Subject: Thirded. You're doing good work. (nm)
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Posted on: 2019-04-13 21:39:00 UTC
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A previous decision has been enacted. by
on 2019-04-11 03:39:00 UTC
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As was decided the last time this occurred, Bramandin is banned, and her threads are subject to removal without warning. There was a significant amount of discussion on the latest deleted thread, which has been archived on the wiki.
Further threads started by Bramandin will be deleted as they are noticed, per the previous decision.
For people who are unsure what happened or why, you are invited to read the wiki article. If you are not Bramandin and have concerns or questions after doing so, you are welcome to contact my lovely assistant, Delta Juliette. If you are Bramandin and contact Delta Juliette, she may choose to engage with you or ignore you as she sees fit. -
PSA: Do NOT argue with her in other forums. by
on 2019-04-13 01:04:00 UTC
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Seriously, I shouldn't have to say this.
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For information: by
on 2019-04-12 19:41:00 UTC
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This morning/last night, Zdimensia posted attempting to take me up on the offer I made in this post. Despite the fact that her recent activity has been a massive violation of the principle of 'one more post', I engaged with her by email to see if we could still do so.
Over the course of the day, it became clear that Zdimensia was unwilling or unable to abide by any of the conditions laid out in the original post.
-She was not willing to promise that at the end of the discussion she would leave the PPC alone, but stated that this would only happen if it came to a 'satisfactory conclusion'.
-She was not willing/able to give her entire message at once; the 3000-word document she gave me was labelled 'Part 1'. I intentionally waived this requirement.
-She was not willing to abide by the conditions that her only comments be answers to direct questions or corrections of misunderstandings. She wanted to be able to argue and vocally disagree with anything I said, which is precisely what the deal was intended to forestall.
What I was offering was to let her state her position, to give her a fair hearing, and to present her with my conclusions. What she wants is a debate, or an argument. These are not the same thing.
I never had any hope that the deal would lead to Zdimensia and I agreeing on every point; however, it is clear that she would only consider herself bound by the 'the last time' condition if she was permitted to ignore the others, and absolute agreement was reached.
That may be something someone else wishes to attempt; I am not. Therefore, as of this afternoon, I retract the offer. I spent all day replying to emails, trying to get her to agree to the conditions laid out a year ago as a prerequisite for the deal she said she wanted to take; I refuse to do so again.
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Heck, I meant to reply to doctorlit's comment. by
on 2019-04-14 13:23:00 UTC
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Still, I mean it. Thank you, hS.
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Fifthed(?) by
on 2019-04-14 13:22:00 UTC
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Thank you for doing your best to sort this out. It was a very noble thing to do, and you were a lot nicer and more patient than I could have been in such a situation.
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hS: Thank you. by
on 2019-04-12 23:26:00 UTC
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I'm sorry you went through such a frustrating night. It isn't fair that you got saddled with the responsibility when you already do so much for this community.
So even though you weren't able to work things out, thank you for taking the time and energy to try and reach a conclusion to all this. We all appreciate you! Now take a break and get some rest this weekend, okay? (If your little ones allow it, of course.)
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Eleventhed? by
on 2019-04-25 07:16:00 UTC
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You've done a lot of good work. Thanks for that, genuinely.
(And as a sidenote, perhaps somewhere in the wiki it should be mentioned that there was some harassment in PMs. I don't have the logs; having since long deleted the conversations and removing the user, but I hope my word is enough.) -
I hadn't thought of that. by
on 2019-04-25 14:41:00 UTC
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It should probably be noted, although it would be nice to have something to show for future readers who weren't around at the time.
Folks, does anyone have logs of zdimensia causing trouble in PMs?
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Thank you, all. (nm) by
on 2019-04-15 12:48:00 UTC
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Nined (nm) by
on 2019-04-14 19:30:00 UTC
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Tenthed. (nm) by
on 2019-04-15 15:44:00 UTC
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It's a full David Tennant. {= ) by
on 2019-04-15 18:04:00 UTC
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David Tennant = Tenth Doctor = ten = one David Tennant. A useful unit of measurement picked up from a panel at a small con. And now you know. {= )
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Eighthed. by
on 2019-04-14 19:28:00 UTC
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Seriously, you've put more time into this mess than anyone could have asked of you, and the fact that you're still handling it with courtesy and grace after four years is frankly astounding. So yeah, thanks for being you, hS.
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Seventhed (nm) by
on 2019-04-14 15:25:00 UTC
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Sixthed (nm) by
on 2019-04-14 13:48:00 UTC
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Fourthed (nm) by
on 2019-04-13 23:47:00 UTC
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Thirded. You're doing good work. (nm) by
on 2019-04-13 21:39:00 UTC
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Seconded. by
on 2019-04-13 19:26:00 UTC
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I'm not sure what more there is to say - this is a mess that's consumed the occasional evening of my time, and I haven't been anywhere near as enmeshed in it as you have.
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I'll second that by
on 2019-04-13 08:28:00 UTC
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Thanks a lot, hS. It really sucks that you've gotta keep digging through this kinda rubbish. You're doing the lord's work!
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For transparency: by
on 2019-04-12 21:00:00 UTC
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This is the complete transcript. Zdimensia has given permission for this to be posted.
More precisely, Zdimensia has once again broken her ban in order to personally attack me and demand that it be posted, in a message beginning 'Post the transcript of how you cocked up'. But that's neither here nor there.
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For accountability: by
on 2019-04-13 01:04:00 UTC
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Given how many times my name comes up in zBram's essay, I'd just like to put it out there (again; the last couple times got vanished) that I do hold myself and my conduct accountable to this community, and I am happy to field questions and criticism from any member in good standing. I want you all to know you are safe and welcome to question and critique even a crusty oldbie like me, and that I absolutely won't bite your head off for it.
I'd prefer that any communication about zBram take place via e-mail to avoid adding to anyone else's stress, and I'll give my permission here and now for related transcripts to be posted publicly, if anyone's concerned about it. My e-mail should be up there, linked in my username, but if not, it's always findable on my User page.
~Neshomeh -
To make sure it's said publicly: by
on 2019-04-16 04:58:00 UTC
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Thank you for what you've done throughout this whole mess too - zBram's been really focused on you, and I can't imagine how stressful that is. On re-reading the times you denied her permission, I'm struck by how much help you gave - you explained things multiple times, and I honestly can't think of how I could have done so with any more patience or care.
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Thank you. {= ) by
on 2019-04-16 16:29:00 UTC
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And thanks for what you've done to keep this all under control, too. It is greatly appreciated.
~Neshomeh