Subject: If they never got published, do they still count? (nm)
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Posted on: 2018-10-16 22:23:00 UTC
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Legendary Badfics? by
on 2018-10-08 19:57:00 UTC
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http://www.academia.edu/940625/ThreeRingsforHollywoodScriptsforTheLordoftheRingsbyZimmermanBoormanand_Beagle
Tolkien sliced and diced Morton Grady Zimmerman's screenplay (And does anyone here attend and/or work at Marquette University? They've got the travesty in their Tolkien collection). -
*eyebrow* Interesting. by
on 2018-10-16 22:25:00 UTC
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I don't believe they qualify as legendary badfics since a) they're far less well-known than the Jackson films and b) they were never released to the general public anyway, but this is a neat little bit of film history either way.
Totally stealing that idea of Aragorn dual-wielding the shards of Narsil for something else later on. :P -
Ahhh, the Boorman script. by
on 2018-10-09 10:19:00 UTC
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I've spent a fair amount of effort collating all the known information on it, which I've put together here (now including a few notes from this article). It's worth a read!
Visually, it actually sounds like a really interesting script. Scenes like Gimli marring the Black Gate with his axe, or the Kabuki Circus of Elrond, could be very strong visually. They're just... not at all Tolkien.
Zimmerman, by contrast, I know less about; internet searches are too swamped by Tolkien's letter on the subject. But the idea that Sam would abandon Frodo and take the Ring to Mount Doom by himself kind of tells you all you need to know.
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I don't think Jay and Acacia dealt with anything THIS crazy. by
on 2018-10-11 13:50:00 UTC
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Hobbits who need their brains running at maximum efficiency to avoid becoming wretched wraiths, eating HALLUCINOGENIC mushrooms!? Artanis/Frodo and Aragorn/Éowyn shipping!? Éomer a continuation of the Second Line!? Bag End ISN'T a smial!? Gimli abuse!?
And it seems that Boorman knew very little about horses. One human and four hobbits on one of them? The Hominidae aren't exactly lightweight species by primate standards. Also, even Evelyn from "Your Unhappy Elladan" had enough sense not to make Shadowfax a PLOWHORSE!
However, at least Boorman din't have the Eagles of Manwë every-[Westron expletive]-where*, or SAM REFUSING TO STICK A PIN IN SHELOB!
And then there's the talking Balrog. As Tolkien put it, "Z[immerman] may think he knows more about Balrogs than I do, but he can hardly expect me to agree with him."
*The fact that Saruman felt safe keeping Gandalf on the rooftop meant that Gwaihir was outside his calculations. -
Technically it's still canon. by
on 2018-10-09 04:03:00 UTC
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Even if it's absolutely terrible in every way.
I mean if we could just dismiss every bad adaptation as legendary badfic there would be a lot of movies on the pile. Eragon, the Percy Jackson films, the Hobbit films (in my opinion), the Dungeons & Dragons films... the list goes on.
There was some talk at one point of missioning Fifty Shades of Grey, since it's technically fanfiction. But it got properly published so we have to regard it as its own canon. (Not that anyone is going to mission any badfic of it... although one could derive some humor from accidentally charging for problems that exist in the canon itself.) -
If they never got published, do they still count? (nm) by
on 2018-10-16 22:23:00 UTC
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Don't quote me on this... by
on 2018-10-16 23:22:00 UTC
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But I think the Boorman script was actually a licensed adaptation for a little bit. So even though plans fell through (thank Eru) it still holds a position somewhere more canonical than fanfic but less canonical than other adaptations. The mission for it addresses its sort of pseudo-canonical state.
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There's D&D films?! by
on 2018-10-15 01:16:00 UTC
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Now I want to see that. Especially since you said they were bad. I absolutely love poorly made/cheesy things. Can you give me the rundown on what all you found notable about them?
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Ah, the D&D films... by
on 2018-10-15 07:29:00 UTC
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I'm going to preface this with a disclaimer: I've never played D&D. But I think I can still recognize an awful movie when I see one. And spoilers, I guess?
Alright, so there are three of them: Dungeons and Dragons, Dungeons and Dragons: Wrath of the Dragon God, and Dungeons and Dragons: The Book of Vile Darkness. Dungeons and Dragons, amusingly enough, was produced by New Line Cinema and released only one year before The Fellowship of the Ring, one of the best movies and movie adaptations I've ever seen. I guess they were saving all the good stuff for that. So it follows the adventures of Ridley, your typical white boy fantasy hero except worse, Snails, your typical black fantasy sidekick except worse (this character was handled in a pretty racist way), your typical fantasy female love interest whose name I can't remember (but she was an idiot), and a bunch of other people who were super unremarkable so I don't even remember them. I think Halle Berry might have been there? Don't quote me on that, though.
I could go on at length about what makes this movie bad in all the most hilarious ways, but I'll just link you to the Nostalgia Critic review of it. I think he hits most of the main points. The only one I think he doesn't hit is that Ridley and the love interest do the do inside a map. Yup, you read that right. They go inside a map, and then they do the do, and then it's never spoken of again. The whole thing is pretty funny. I'd highly recommend it.
The second movie is kind of boring, honestly. It was made for TV and managed to be good enough that I found myself feeling the most apathetic stirrings of an emotion that just might have been interest in seeing the heroes succeed. The special effects are pretty terrible, though. If you're looking for hilariously bad this might not be the one for you because if nothing else you can tell they were trying. Its biggest failing is that they kept on trying to link it back to the first one.
So the third film completely ignored the existence of the first two. Good move, right? Jury's still out. See, the third film was by far the worst of the three. It starts with an opening narration that goes on for long enough that you start to wonder if the whole movie is going to be like this and it isn't some kind of poorly illustrated audiobook. It isn't, (un)fortunately. Eventually it ends and the characters show up on the screen. What then follows is roughly an hour and fifteen minutes of absolutely nothing being explained ever. It's trying to deal with issues of grey morality but instead of doing that it just kind of never addresses morality at all until something depends on someone's morality, and then it aligns them either good or evil as needed to move the shambling wight that passes for a plot along. Phrases like "purest knight" are thrown about liberally, and the writing is so lazy that the macguffin actually morphs into a different object about two thirds of the way through.
And then the rest of it is torture porn.
It's not horribly graphic torture or anything. It's like weird agony ray stuff. Personally I'm less uncomfortable with the torture itself than I am with the... ah... evident interest in the torture that the movie has. If you do want to skip that part it should be easy. You'll know where it starts. Just stop watching the movie at that point because I wasn't even joking when I said the rest of it is torture porn. There is literally less than two minutes of movie left after the torture stops.
But for all that it's a glorious train wreck if you like pain. My biggest impression is that it's like they stuck the end and beginning of one movie onto the middle of a different one with Elmer's glue and then released it before it had finished drying. -
There's Noodle Incident potential there. by
on 2018-10-11 16:57:00 UTC
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"I knew Fifty Shades was horrid, but I still thought THAT was a charge!"
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Yeah, definitely. by
on 2018-10-11 23:37:00 UTC
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"... and for having him track your phone without your knowledge or consent and portraying it as romantic. For these crimes you are sentenced to --"
"You can't charge for that," Sophie said, lowering the gun she had trained on the 'Sue slightly.
Theo lowered the notebook he'd been reading from. "Excuse me?" he said.
"That's not a charge," Sophie said.
"What do you mean it's not a charge?" Theo asked. "It is disgusting."
"Yeah, well, no arguments there," Sophie said. "It's one of the few things he did that was actually in character, though. And we don't really charge for, y'know, capturing the spirit of the original."
Theo closed the notebook slowly. "What are you saying?" he asked.
"That was very similar to something that happened in canon..." Sophie trailed off. You're not thinking what I think you're thinking, are you?"
"In all likelihood, yes," Theo said.
***
And you're certain you don't know why your partner shot Christian Grey eight times in the leg? the Sunflower Official said, looking for all the world like it was steepling its fronds.
Sophie kept her eyes very wide and tried to project innocence. "I have no idea what got into him," she said, her voice coming out roughly an octave above its usual pitch.
There was a pause.
"FicPsych said there was nothing wrong with him," she finally said.
Naturally, the Flower almost cut her off. Get out of my office, Agent List.
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Whichever theoretical agents handle the Fifty Shades continuum must be really nuts. Either that or nobody handles it and it's just kind of ignored. -
Didn't we already do Boorman? by
on 2018-10-08 22:25:00 UTC
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Here's the department of WhatThe mission in question:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g0ydi4ik2JM3jLLkyAui9deCbNNOsWHen4_CgyRDS4c/pub -
Yes, I did. :) by
on 2018-10-09 09:49:00 UTC
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It's worth highlighting that not only did I do a mission into Boorman canon, I found an actual badfic of Boorman canon. (I mean, 'badfic' in that it's a hilarious parody of what the Boorman script could be like.) Show me that for another unpublished work.
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