Subject: I like it. (nm) (nm)
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Posted on: 2022-04-21 21:42:54 UTC
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Hey, guys! Remember the "translate Disney Princesses' names into elvish" game many threads back? by
on 2022-04-19 13:25:17 UTC
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Now I wanna see the same treatment given to Disney Villains!
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Okay, so villains. by
on 2022-04-19 19:52:34 UTC
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At first I thought I'd just do the villains for the twelve canonical princesses, but that list starts with "Evil Queen", sooooo no. Instead, let's talk board games!
I've never played it, but I love the design of Disney Villainous: the playing pieces are stylised representations of the villains of the piece. The starting game has six, so let's see how they fare!
- Ursula the Sea-Witch: Surprisingly good Quenya! Ursala means "Raging [one]" (ursa + -la), and we can go ahead and translate her title too. Istar Eämbar is pure Quenya for "Sea-dwelling Wizard" ('Istar' is genderless, so I think we can cross-apply it.)
- Maleficent - It looks like we're going to have to go Quenya again, for Mále-fíne-sana > Málefínsana. Unlike Ursula, this one means "Healthy dextrous thing"; I suppose it might be appropriate for the more recent movies?
- Captain Hook - Okay, this one we actually have to translate, because both words are directly used in Quenya. He is Hesto Ampa, and is actually named after a letter (ampa is the Tengwa for -mp- or -v-.
- Jafar - A tricky one, because Tolkien didn't really like the letter J. Yáva comes pretty near on the pronunciation, and just means "Fruit" in Quenya.
- Prince John - Same problem again, so I could go with "Yón" ('region'); but for entertainment value I will instead choose Yonyo, the Quenya word for 'big boy'. Bless 'im! His title, oddly enough, already showed up in the previous thread: Cundo or Kondo is sometimes translated 'Prince'.
- Queen of Hearts - Once again I think we should just translate this one by meaning. Tári Homwa is a posessive phrase literally meaning "Queen of Hearts" - and yes, that's Quenya again. Odd, since I think a lot of the princesses wound up with Sindarin names.
There are also five expansion packs, which between them add (deep breath) the Evil Queen, Hades, Dr. Facilier, Syndrome, Lotso, Madam Mim, Lady Tremaine, the Horned King, Gaston, Ratigan, Yzma, Scar, Cruella de Vil, Mother Gothel, and, uh... Pete from Steamboat Willie. But I'll leave those for someone else to do. :)
hS
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For a moment... by
on 2022-04-22 12:50:22 UTC
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I thought you were talking about the Disney Villain dating sim thingy wherein all the villains are turned into hot anime bois. It's called Twisted Wonderland and it is...
It
It is a thing.
It is a whole entire thing.
Hot Anime Boy Disney Villains.
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Yay?
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From the author of Black Butler (nm) by
on 2022-04-22 19:24:26 UTC
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Also, Midorikawa Hikaru by
on 2022-04-22 23:59:18 UTC
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That guy is in 99.9% of games with male characters these days, I swear. Nearly every game I've played has him somewhere in the cast. Not that I mind, his voice is hot.
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She also illustrated Hyūga from TouRabu so there's that (nm) by
on 2022-04-22 23:36:45 UTC
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Twisted Wonderland is huge in Japan! by
on 2022-04-22 13:07:58 UTC
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I mean, it was basically made for the Japanese market and is only just getting overseas, but still! I know it's a Disney cashgrab gacha game with some fancy villainous Hogwarts Houses or something but the art is great and there's a lot of merch in Japan.
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Oh, I'm actually playing it by
on 2022-04-22 13:24:09 UTC
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And planning to mission in that continuum in the future.
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I'd like to read that mission. (nm) by
on 2022-04-22 14:46:49 UTC
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Believe me, that fandom is rife with badfics by
on 2022-04-22 15:20:39 UTC
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A blank slate muggle player character isekai'd into a wacky school of wacky, hot wizards? It's (more or less) Touken Ranbu with its saniwa all over again, you bet that premise is a fertile Sue breeding ground!
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Villainous is quite an excellent game! (Even if I have yet to win even once.) by
on 2022-04-20 13:03:12 UTC
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The developers really went all in on making each character's game play feel like you're role-playing them, to some degree. I especially love the fact that, in order to make the art styles fairly cohesive, someone had to make high-quality, watercolor-style digital artwork of things like Maleficent's goblin goons, Kronk talking to a squirrel, and old-timey Pete getting angry enough to blow steam out of his hat.
This page has all the card images in expandable lists, if anyone is interested. (Except the Avengers one is missing for some reason?)
—doctorlit almost won playing as Killmonger once, but doctorlit just isn't good at games
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Oh hey, I remember that game! by
on 2022-04-20 22:43:27 UTC
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I used to play it with my family. It's pretty fun, and it balances the variety of win conditions and decks pretty well, for what it's worth.
-OrangeFox, Prince John main
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I'd love to play by
on 2022-04-20 14:11:34 UTC
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Looks fun. I wish I had that game.
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Re. "what do they even mean?" by
on 2022-04-20 03:52:21 UTC
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Let's find out! Because I reckon it might be fun to translate what the names actually do mean where possible. {= D
I'll be looking these up primarily on Behind the Name. Will note if I venture elsewhere.
- Ursula, to start, is "little bear" from the stem ursa "bear [feminine]" + diminutive suffix. *snerk* She's a water bear. {X D
- Maleficent is... well, yeah, it's pretty much what you think it is. From the Latin maleficens "harmful, evil." (You could throw a reference to dragons in there for funsies, though!)
- Captain Hook has a given name: James! Seems the names James and Jacob both derive from the Hebrew name יַעֲקֹב (Ya'aqov), meaning ""holder of the heel" or "supplanter", or perhaps from a hypothetical name like יַעֲקֹבְאֵל (Ya'aqov'el), meaning "may God protect." IDK, I think "Supplanter" is a pretty decent name for a pirate. Just "Heel" wouldn't be far off, either. ^_^
- Jafar means "stream" in Arabic. Huh, that's rather nice.
- John derives from the Hebrew name יוֹחָנָן (Yochanan) meaning "Yahweh is gracious."
- Queen of Hearts is a dreary plain-English one. I poked around a bit, though, and found she's called Cora in Once Upon a Time (apparently it's under the Disney umbrella). I suspect it's meant as a derivative of corazon and would thus mean "heart," but BtN says it comes from the Greek name Kore, which means "maiden" and is another name for Persephone.
So there's the original six. I'd stop there, but I actually looked up Lady Tremaine and Mother Gothel earlier today, so:
- Tremaine is a Cornish place-name meaning something like "stone settlement," "stone town," "town encircled with stone"; sources vary. It's only on BtN as a user-submitted name, so I skimmed the Google results for more info. I'm shocked it isn't French. I could've sworn the story was French...
- Gothel isn't on BtN at all, and with good reason! To quote the Disney Wiki, it's "not a personal name at all, but an old-fashioned occupational word meaning 'nurse' or 'foster mother,' which the Grimms added to increase up [sic] the old-time German atmosphere of the story." I don't know why this amuses me as much as it does. {X D
~Neshomeh
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And now I attempt Sindarin. by
on 2022-04-21 17:15:38 UTC
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Disclaimer: I am not good at this. I make no pretense of being good at this. ^_^;
Let's do it anyway!
- Ursula becomes Grawegil: graw "bear" + -eg (diminutive suffix) + -il (feminine suffix). That was fairly straightforward!
- For Maleficent, apparently there are some convenient words already attested: ogron n. "a wicked or evil person" or rhugarol adj. "wicked, doing evil." I like Rhugarol.
- For James Hook: To my surprise, I couldn't find words meaning anything like "usurp," "supplant," etc. Nor is there a word for the heel of the foot. There is a word meaning "after-born," though, and that word is Abonnen. Works for me!
- For Jafar: sîr means "stream," but it's not very name-like all by itself. Perhaps he's the opposite of Sirion, the Great Stream, and is instead Sirieg, the Little Stream.
- For John, I looked at the elements fael adj. "fair-minded, just, generous, 'having a good fëa'", hîr n. "master, lord", and te pron. "he is". We could string them all together to get Hírthefael "the lord he is gracious", but to get something that might work as a widely used name, it might just be Tefael "he is gracious".
- The Queen of Hearts... is boring. I'm skipping her. {X D
- For Tremaine, Stone Town, we have a wealth of options for once: ost "town with wall round" and gobel "walled house or village, town"; gond "(great) stone" and sarn "(small) stone". Sarnost sounds pretty good to me, but Sarnobel, Gon(d)obel, or Gon(d)ost could theoretically work, too.
- For Mother Gothel, first I must note the similar-sounding word Gódhel that means "'Deep Elf' or 'Gnome', one of the Wise Folk". Gothel continues to be the most amusing villain name. {X D Actually translating it, I get Eithelwi "person of healing". Actual persons of healing who live in my brain would like it known they are deeply offended. ^_~
Aaaand that's it, I'm done. I've tried my best, and I shall try no more today!
~Neshomeh
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I like it. (nm) (nm) by
on 2022-04-21 21:42:54 UTC
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/eats wilver NM&NMs (nm) by
on 2022-04-22 10:56:17 UTC
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There are a few plarnder ones in there too! by
on 2022-04-22 11:20:55 UTC
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Nom nom nom
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on 2022-04-22 15:04:54 UTC
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NMs&NMs - Sue-colored M&Ms. I love it. (nm) by
on 2022-04-22 15:04:27 UTC
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Bravo! (nm) by
on 2022-04-21 21:31:05 UTC
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Mother Gothel by
on 2022-04-20 03:55:38 UTC
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So, she's Mother Foster Mother? XD
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Either that or Mother Nurse. {X D (nm) by
on 2022-04-20 03:58:06 UTC
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Also, "healthy dextrous thing" by
on 2022-04-19 22:47:29 UTC
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🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
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You forgot Claude Frollo 🤭 (nm) by
on 2022-04-19 22:39:09 UTC
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I assume he's saved for the next expansion pack. by
on 2022-04-19 23:27:15 UTC
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Along with Shere Khan and... oh, let's say Chernabog from Fantasia.
(Honestly surprised I could find two more recognisable villains they hadn't done!)
hS
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Disney Wiki has an article on the subject by
on 2022-04-20 02:55:06 UTC
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Found here
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What about Shan Yu from Mulan? (nm) by
on 2022-04-20 01:15:39 UTC
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Sadly...I know no Sindarin. Or Quenya. by
on 2022-04-19 21:22:44 UTC
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Though I do love conlangs in general.
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Well, this is Quenya by
on 2022-04-19 19:51:21 UTC
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But Scar would be Nirwë.
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That... is definitely harder. by
on 2022-04-19 15:32:24 UTC
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Um, first off, can someone throw in a link to the previous thread? I forget where it was. :)
Secondly: actual translations is hard, because what does "Maleficent" or "Gothel" even mean? I'd end up just translating them all to Ulca - "Evil".
hS
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Here’s the link by
on 2022-04-19 15:41:20 UTC
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As part of my Newbie-Reply-To-Everything-So-People-Know-Me-And-I-Can-Get-Permission-Faster plan, the link is here.
Maybe you can just translate similar words? Like, say, Malevolent and Gothic.
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Yes please! by
on 2022-04-19 14:37:07 UTC
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I remember reading that thread. Please do this. Ooh, and Marvel characters too?
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Justice League vs. Avengers: The First Age of Middle-earth by
on 2022-04-27 08:21:34 UTC
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It is the golden age of Beleriand: the Long Peace, when the Siege of Angband seemed unbreakable. The newly-arrived Men are settling into their lands, relations with the Dwarves are friendly, and the wine coming up from Dorwinion is of exceptional quality.
So of course House Feanor are stirring up trouble.
I Ahtarilar - The Avengers: House Feanor in snazzy costumes that "totally disguise" their identities.
- Angando - The Iron Man: Curufin, wielder of the surpassingly sharp knife Angrist.
- Tarraumo - The Storm Lord: Celegorm, swift rider of the Feanorians, who laughs as he cuts his enemies down.
- Lungon - The Hulking One: Caranthir, always angry, whose relations with the dwarves have given him a forgemaster's bulky build.
- Cáno Himbaringo - Captain Himring: Maedhros, with a shield buckled to his maimed arm to give him some use for it.
- I Sornoheni - The Eagle-eyes: Amrod & Amras, the archers of the southern Feanorian lands.
- Morindis - The Black Bride: Their favourite cousin Aredhel, who her husband thinks is staying quietly at home in Nan Elmoth. She's not.
(Maglor is sitting over in his Gap composing angsty songs, and does not appear in this film.)
Umbarhosse - The Army of Fate: The rest of House Finwe in equally fancy costumes. Their masks are slightly better.
- Andaner - Super-man: Fingolfin, High King, and strongest of all (given that he will later manage to go one-on-one with Morgoth).
- Quildaron - Bat-man: Finrod Felagund. By day a wealthy dilanette king, by night he dresses in a bat-fell of the enemy and goes sneaking about.
- Elmendis - Wonder-woman: Galadriel. I mean, it's just Galadriel. With a whip.
- Enyando - Machine-man: Turgon, wielding all the high arts that Gondolin brought to its vast gates.
- Ita - Flash: Fingon, fastest rider of the non-Feanorians.
- Earro - Ocean-one: Orodreth. A bit of a wet blanket, but as son of Earwen he does have a connection to the sea.
hS
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Thanks! I like it. A lot. (nm) by
on 2022-04-27 11:30:08 UTC
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And Narnia characters? Please? by
on 2022-04-19 18:45:00 UTC
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I think there may end up being too many requests. Oops?
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(small voice) I was also thinking requesting Disney Fairies by
on 2022-04-19 22:46:29 UTC
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But as you said, we might end up with a pile of requests 🤣
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(Let's recognize that hS does not have infinite free time, please!) (nm) by
on 2022-04-20 12:38:39 UTC
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I like the idea of Narnia characters (nm) by
on 2022-04-19 19:29:59 UTC
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