I'd argue that Neshomeh and I did far more than just "approve". Certainly Neshomeh, at least.

Though I definitely don't agree with the insinuation that right and wrong don't exist. There are such things as wrong opinions (anyone remember that weird guy that totally misused the phrase "gallows humor"?).

The revisions have been made, the link at the top of the Board has been changed, and the Wiki has been altered. The Revised Constitution is now freely signable on the Wiki page - add your name to the bulletted list on that page, and the Definitive Version will be updated when I get to it.

hS

It isn't worth much but it's something.

No, I'm not dead. And this seems great! I'll sign it, even though I'm not around much right now.

It is awesome. And the pie is a lie? :P

Now I just have to remember to buy pie on my way home.

YAY! I get to sign it! SQUEE!
No pie? At least I have pi.
Although I, too find nothing wrong with the old Constitution, although by now the PPC is much bigger, a much bigger target for trolls, and a whole lot of other things involving bigness. Or largeness.

I can't see anything wrong with this new constitution. It seems to embody the spirit of the PPC community. I would also like to express my approval of hS's proposed edits, which fix the wiki editability issue (which I never noticed until it was pointed out to me).

Since, apparently, 'member' means 'anyone who hangs around here', I'd voice my own opinion and say that these changes are good, especially because they make the constitution clearer.

And I would be prepared to sign it, however there is one passage which causes me some concern, and that is the exact wording of Point 19.

It may just be that the term Mary Sue means different things to each of us, but I'm not sure why, if it's possible to remove the 'bad' from bad slash (creating good slash), it's not possible to remove the 'badly written' from a Mary Sue, thus creating a 'good' Sue.

The comment of 'good Mary-Sues' being a contradiction in terms would seem to ignore the existence of the Canonical Canon Sues, such as Drizzt and the rest: http://ppc.wikia.com/wiki/Canon_Sue

Given that it is acknowledged in the FAQ For Other People (about 2/3 of the way down) that the term 'Mary Sue' has come to mean different things to different people, and that the PPC has its own official definition, I also think it would be worth linking to the Mary Sue wiki page in the Constitution.

Excellent update to the original.

I approve of it.

...I'm cutting back with the sheep.
I assume my word will suffice, though.

I can find nothing wrong with it.

I have reminded myself and reminded myself to bring this up, but I kept frickin' forgetting:

What is the policy for what happens when rules are broken? 'Cause that should be in there, too.

The clearest thing we've got is that trolls will be mocked, but what about other stuff? I mean, in most cases rule-breaking will result in someone saying "Hey, you're breaking a rule, please stop," and the offender will go "Oh! Okay, sorry," but every so often someone will go "What? No I'm not. How could I possibly be breaking that rule when it specifically says 'fish' and I was doing 'crab,' which is not a fish at all." Or they'll go "Oh, okay, sorry," but then keep doing it.

So at what point do actual sanctions happen, and what should—heck, what can they be? Frankly, with the Board being un-modded, we don't have a lot to work with aside from gradual shunning. This tends to work, but it would be nice to be able to come out and say "No, you've gone too far now, and so [sanction happens]." That way it's clear, it's clean, it's over quickly. Also, supposing we have another case like Doctor Hello, it would be good not to have to count on them agreeing to go away because we ask them to.

Quick note to people who hate the suggestion of authority: I'm not proposing mods here. I'm proposing, in the absence of mods, that we all have some publicly known and agreed-upon recourse in the face of flagrant misbehavior.

~Neshomeh

Google Docs is being a stupid again.

It looks good. Thanks for taking point on this hS. You did an excellent job of getting it set up and incorporating the various suggestions that the Anonymous Constitutional Convention had.

-Phobos

Even though pie would be nice.

I don't see anything wrong, and it is indeed an improvement over the original.

I'm going to sign it, if it passes.