Subject: Re: SOCS
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Posted on: 2013-08-12 02:05:00 UTC
Thank you! I'll have to go check it out.
Both, huh... it'd be interesting to see how they all interacted. But they're all the same person. How do they avoid a paradox? Is there paradox-proofing?
I am currently working on an OFU for Doctor Who. Now since an OFU is coming, I was wondering would it be okay to introduce new...uh items that could be utilized in the PPC?
One of the items is Logic Water. Logic water is a glowing blue...well water. It drips from any kind of plothole at somewhat random times, though there are plotholes that just spit out Logic Water. However, when applied to Suvians/Sue-possessed beings, Logic Water can initiate SOCS. Sue wraiths will leave the host. However Logic Water is not 100% effective due to some Sues and Sue wraiths being vaccinated/ trained to resist the effects of SOCS. If a non-Suvian drinks Logic Water, it should clear their head of illogical thoughts, though it does not function like any of the Bleep products. On a side note, Logic Water can be used in place of water.
The second item would be Crystals of Plausibility. The Crystals come in a variety of sizes and colors, but are naturally shaped like an icosahedron. On the Moh's scale of hardness, they rank about 7 to 7.5. The Crystals function like Logic Water, but their ability to initiate SOCS is limited. Instead, they act as a sort of Sue repellent. The Crystals can be used as a Sue repellent, though it won't last forever.
Okay, now that I'm done with that, if you are interested in joining this OFU, I have a registration form. Please copy-paste the questions into an email (And fill them out!) and then send it to kittythekatty@gmail.com
https://docs.google.com/document/d/16WKJnkdlnTkItaCc1IZzyiqyG3R2Ypdjt8MiUzf13jw/
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~Kittythekatty
For me, the timing is utterly perfect. I just spent the last few months getting into Doctor Who, and now someone's starting an OFU for it? I can't even believe my luck. I'm most certainly joining.
*goes off to send email*
-Aila
Logic Water and the Crystals seem like pretty cool substances. They could be interesting tools for PPC missions, too. I'd be happy to join, except I don't know the fandom. Sorry! :L
So, would the teachers of this OFU be from all Doctor Who series, or just Classic or New Who? I would love to see who teaches what... Donna or Nine could teach a lesson on Witty and Sarcastic Dialogue.
Also, uh, unfortunate newbie question... what's SOCS?
Oh and the teachers will be a combination of characters from New Who and Classic Who.
It's not unfortunate! Anyways, SOCS is a suvian disease/condition thought of by Lily Wintewood. If you read her International Hetalia Academy of Fanfiction, you'll find out how SOCS works.
SOCS is an acronym for Suvian Overheated Cerebellum Syndrome. Basically, from what I've read, SOCS is when a Suvian doesn't understand something and they undergo a mental meltdown. Since the very existence of Suvians is illogical, the Water and Crystals counteract the illogical presence of Suvians. However, some Suvians have been vaccinated/trained to resist SOCS.
Thank you! I'll have to go check it out.
Both, huh... it'd be interesting to see how they all interacted. But they're all the same person. How do they avoid a paradox? Is there paradox-proofing?
There is a whole lot of paradox proofing. Unfortunately, the proofing is not 100% effective and as a result, plotholes (mostly supply in origin) pop up a lot. Most of the time, they are temporary,though if you aren't careful; you'll get sprayed and or pelted with Logic Water/Crystals of Plausibility.
Except for a few weird continua like Timecop, past selves and future selves are able to interact, though the extent varies from continuum to continuum because of pre-established concepts and occasionally the individual continuum's magic rules, if time travel is caused by or a product of some form of sorcery. The Doctor's done it before, usually in Classic Who. He often restricts himself to interacting with only one version from each regeneration, though, because it's easier for the viewers to tell them apart that way. The Eleventh just hates the idea of interacting with other versions for some reason, but he's got all kinds of crazy time-superstitions that are never really backed up. I'm thinking most of those are just him being paranoid.
Still, the latent paradoxicality of a school existing across multiple time periods and bringing alternate versions of characters from varied points in time and space, coupled with the numerous semi-incompatible ways Doctor Who has handled the effects of time travel over the years, would definitely cause plothole-spawning problems, and it has comedy potential, so don't think I'm disparaging the concept.
By the way, if you could find some way to work in the Davros-versus-Davros concept from the last time the Doctor WhOFU was brought up, that would be awesome.
For clarification, that would be the Dalek Emperor!Davros from the later stages of Classic Who and the mutilated!Davros from New Who constantly fighting over who deserves to be the true creator of the Daleks. Imperial Daleks would fight for the former, Vault Daleks for the latter, in a combat of increasing scale that would almost certainly cause the WhOFU students no end of trouble.
Every instance of the Doctor meeting his past/future selves in the original series - the Three Doctors, Five Doctors and Two Doctors incidents - were deeply meshed in Time Lord technology. In the first instance, they nearly drained their own power supply keeping the three Doctors stable. Even the fourth incident - Time Crash - was the result of the TARDIS' shields being down. There are a few later examples, which I think are all Eleven running around in time loops and bumping into himself (off the top of my head - The Time of Angels, Time/Space, and Night and the Doctor all did this one way or another).
More generally, the Blinovitch Limitation Effect comes into play. Specifically, this version:
...it is a physical effect that occurs when two versions of the same person from different time periods make physical contact. This results in an energy discharge, shorting out the "time differential" between them. The Mawdryn Undead storyline establishes that the younger version of the character involved in the discharge, Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart, is traumatized by the event and, for the next several years, loses his memory of the Doctor.
This has been inconsistently applied over the run of the series: in the new version, Rose held herself as a baby and summoned the Reapers, but Amy Pond has come into contact with her younger self numerous times with no ill effects. It's all a bit wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey.
That said, OFUs are (and always have been) free to play fast and loose with the canon in order to get the staff together - OFUM has Morgoth and Sauron being painted urple by Merry and Pippin, which is just a bit unlikely, don't you think? They're humour stories, so like the PPC, it's all in the name of Funny.
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Stable from what? Collapsing? Vanishing from existence? The past selves should be able to hold on to existence if only due to the ontological inertia that means they would inevitably have to become their future selves. I suppose that it could be stretched to say that the "present" version could be adversely affected by his own past selves, but since he would have future selves that he would also need to become, which would make the "present" self a past self, that doesn't really work, either.
Though I knew that the extent a past and future self would be unavoidably affected by the continuum's rules, which would include the Blinovitch Effect you mentioned, I've not seen past selves of anyone, Time Lord or otherwise, averse to physical contact with future selves, or any memory-erasing wave of dangerous energy coming out of such contact. Maybe it's just one of those concepts the writers forget about most of the time. That can happen with long-running shows.
Well, the Reapers were already there when Rose held herself as a baby. The timeline was impossible anyway, because the presence of one Rose's actions interrupted the timeline of her recent past self and the past self of the timeline that would have now grown up with a living parent, which compounded on the existing vulnerabilities in time and made it something the Reapers had to deal with. I'd say more on this variation on the subject, but it would start overlapping with my fan-speculation on what the Reapers do in the context of the Doctor Who universe, and thus is a bit off-topic.
Still, though, Rule of Funny is Rule of Funny, and if things need to get all paradoxy to get a few good jokes in, they might as well. The WhOFU's going to have several experienced world-savers on staff if things get rocky.
I actually had thought about the various counterparts or different characters. Davros verses Davros would be hilarious and Ten and his human self would probably argue over Rose. And there's Eleven and his ganger. Oh dear, One is going to wonder how all this happened and how his incarnations have an identity crisis.
I do hope the crystals aren't sharp. That could lead to some health and safety issues. Also, seriously injured students.
It's not as though sudden portals that may or may not shoot pointy crystal are any more dangerous than keeping several known omnicidal maniacs on staff. Plus, the Cybermen would probably ambush students in their sleep to put their brains in robot bodies. OFU life is inherently a risk to health and safety. It's what learning through pain is all about!
I really should consider the context when I say things... Relatively, random portals spouting sharp crystals aren't that big a deal. Besides, you'll have twelve Doctors at hand, plus at least one actual doctor.
Whether they ever transition into the PPC will be up to individual PPC writers.
Mmm, sounds good. What are the Minis then? Mini-Angels? Or Mini-Daleks?