The crux of it...

Subject: The crux of it...
Author: JulyFlame
Posted on: 2012-04-23 19:37:00 UTC

Is that going "Do we have people who do missions in X?" and then upon being shown how to find if there are missions in X, and then not responding with "Oh, gee, I see now, thanks," or anything that indicates that yes, they are aware there are missions in X and done by Y people, but with badfic instead of any actual suggestion that they actually found out the answer to their question kinda makes me suspect they just wanted to know so they can slot badfic into people to do missions for them. Answering as they were didn't actually tell me anything beyond they find badfic, definitively.

And no, the wiki is not perfect, but Neshomeh and I (mostly Neshomeh at the moment, since this is her pet project) are trying to make it be as complete as possible in terms of listing missions and agents where appropriate. It might be missing some information, but things like that- especially when they have more than one mission or agent from the continuum in question- are dealt with to ensure that the wiki is useful. It is very saddening when people don't bother to use the wiki when a good deal of answers can be found there.

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Zelda anyone? by SadeG on 2012-04-23 17:58:00 UTC Reply

Hey, do you guys have any agents working on the Legend of Zelda yet, because it needs help, especially on fanfiction.net.

For the record... by Data Junkie on 2012-04-24 05:14:00 UTC Reply

This is also not how we handle badfic reporting.

If you'd bothered to read the FAQs while "spending lots of time on the wiki," you'd know that telling an author you're reporting their story to the PPC is generally frowned upon, because it generally only causes drama for us.

Also, something you seem to be misunderstanding. Whether through a lack of reading comprehension or just grossly missing the point, I'm not sure. We are not the fandom police. We are comedians. We are humor writers. We are satirists. That seems to be something quite a few newbies have a problem understanding, actually. We don't go after badfic just because it's bad. We go after badfic that can be turned into something funny. Before you blindly report badfic, read over it. Stop, and think "Can this be turned into something funny? Does this have humor potential? Do I know any members who might be interested in tackling it?" If so, go ahead. Add it to the unclaimed badfic list on the wiki, and if you want, find an already-existing badfic thread on the board, and mention it there. If not, please, don't bother. There's enough badfic out there being reported already that we don't need more.

And by the blood on Verra's floor, don't go tell the authors. It's fine to leave concrit, if you think they'll take it, but avoid mentioning the PPC. Please.

Yeah...this was fun. by Sadegg on 2012-04-24 21:16:00 UTC Reply

See y'all later. I'm leaving this site, have fun, enjoy life, and the fact that you have all lost a fan.

Sorry, but y'all are not very friendly or happy, with a few exceptions.

Hey by Artic Blade on 2012-04-24 21:56:00 UTC Reply

I'm sorry, not sure what everyone else is on to make them so grouchy... We're not all bad. Or so I think optimistically.

As the others have mentioned, one of the best ways to notify us of these changes is on the Wiki, or through the FAQ. Thank you for letting us know here though. I'll keep an eye on the fic, and if it extends past the current two chapters, my agents may take a stab at it, if you catch my drift.

Otherwise, assuming you've not been scared off, welcome to the PPC, and have some complimentary Bleepolate, and a stuffed Ypur!

"Everyone else"? by Neshomeh on 2012-04-24 23:59:00 UTC Reply

At the risk of falling into the poisoned well here, being technically part of "everyone else," but July, Data, SeaTurtle, and hS were all right to make the points they did to SadeG, IMO—and hS to July, too. It's kind of an obligation for members of the community to correct other members when they make mistakes. We don't all have a gift for making our Internet voice sound like candy and puppies when doing so, but that doesn't mean they were "bad" for speaking up. Also, this is probably why there's a line in the Constitution warning about our barks being worse than our bites, and also a bit about not assuming people are jumping down your throat (which SadeG seems to do, given all the apologies), yes?

In other words: let's please not call names and use broad categories that include people who aren't even directly involved yet, okay?

~Neshomeh, who hopes this post sounds like kittens, at least.

I apologise Nesh by Artic Blade on 2012-04-25 15:04:00 UTC Reply

I had a talk with some peeps last night and I realised I was hasty in what I said. I'm sorry if you felt included in my, definitely broad, description. I didn't intend offence to people just looking in on the thread, and now that I full understand the circumstances, nor to the people who I was thinking were being harsh.

Thanks. {= ) by Neshomeh on 2012-04-25 17:20:00 UTC Reply

It wasn't offense on my part as much as that I've been reading about logical fallacies lately and the unintentional well-poisoning jumped out at me, and for others' sakes I didn't think I should let it pass. Plus there's background context, which it sounds like you've been filled in on, about people assuming July is being mean because July is omg totes mean (another fallacy—the actual definition of begging the question, if you ever wondered; it's kinda like using a word in its own definition in that this kind of argument doesn't actually explain or prove anything).

Logical fallacies are fascinating, by the way.

Anyway, point is, apology accepted and we're cool. {= )

~Neshomeh

Well, I for one... by Huinesoron on 2012-04-24 21:25:00 UTC Reply

... am sorry to see you go. I'm also sorry you feel mistreated. I honestly think people were only trying to help you understand - but that their approach could perhaps have been somewhat different.

Farewell, SadEggNog.

hS

I might come back, by Eggnog on 2012-04-24 21:28:00 UTC Reply

I really need to focus on other things than fanfiction, sadly. I might come back in a week or so though.

The wiki is your friend. by JulyFlame on 2012-04-23 18:02:00 UTC Reply

It also has a handy search bar.

If there are missions in any given canon, or agents from a particular canon, it is frequently noted on the page for said canon.

Ok. This one is scary though. by SadeG on 2012-04-23 18:08:00 UTC Reply

http://m.fanfiction.net/s/7841394/1/
I'm pretty sure this qualifies. It is a Vaati x Oc story, and it is scary!

Ahuh. by JulyFlame on 2012-04-23 18:11:00 UTC Reply

...Did you understand what I had posted earlier?

Because this has no sense nor context to it regardless, as a response to what I had typed.

-One July, slightly baffled

Erm...sorry about that. by SadeG on 2012-04-23 18:27:00 UTC Reply

On the contrary, I did respon to what you said. I should have said something more than just ok I guess, because you were confused. I was told this was also the place to report badfica, so I did so.

Also, here is another one. Vaati is a kitten in this story.
http://m.fanfiction.net/s/7386853/1/

Ooh, new target acquired... by SeaTurtle on 2012-04-24 03:15:00 UTC Reply

An Intel run seems to be in order for this fic.

...wait a minute. It's by the same author that wrote the first badfic that Gaspard investigated. Oh, boy.

Oh, by the way SadeG, we don't usually tell people we're PPCing their stories. It usually ticks them off something fierce.

Ok... by SadeG on 2012-04-24 21:19:00 UTC Reply

Once again, I'm sorry I didn't read the wiki cover to cover before I came here. Thanks for saying that you would check on the story.

No, you had not. by JulyFlame on 2012-04-23 18:59:00 UTC Reply

Your responses thus far have not indicated in any way that you understood what I had posted. You've shown no real acknowledgement with regards to what I told you, in response to your question.

You've just been giving badfic without any real context to it beyond 'Here is a fic that is bad and should have a mission made of it'. That has nothing to do with what your question was, or my response. Replying with links to badfic does not show understanding.

I am not here to be given badfic, slot it into a word processor, and crank it out into a mission for you. Nor is anyone else here to do such, for that matter.

There is a thread of badfic lower down on this page. It bumps now. You don't have to make spammy replies to me with them in it.

There is an unclaimed badfic page on the wiki. That is also handy to use.

Again, posting to report doesn't mean people will actually take you up on it. Nor does it mean you should post more when there're actual places to put said fic.

Sorry. by SadeG on 2012-04-23 20:06:00 UTC Reply

This my second day on the forum. I've spent lots of time on the wiki and reading the stories. You are not a happy agent today, and I'm sorry that I disturbed you. I thought this was the place to go to, but I guess that it is not now.

And just for you...
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID.

Sorry.

Just for posterity... by Neshomeh on 2012-04-25 00:13:00 UTC Reply

Saying "I understand" is not the same as showing that you understand. Anyone can type the words "I understand" or "ok" regardless of whether they actually do get the message or not. This is probably why July pressed the issue. Being specific about what you understand, and how you intend to act on your newfound knowledge, is very helpful when talking online.

~Neshomeh, illuminating.

On the other hand... by Huinesoron on 2012-04-23 19:20:00 UTC Reply

... that (I am not here to be given badfic, slot it into a word processor, and crank it out into a mission for you.) is a hilarious thought that I would pay good pixels to see.

July: I don't see anything to suggest SadeG (who I will forever think of as SadEgg due to me being weird) wanted you to create missions from those 'fics. Nor is the Wiki perfect (I know, I know - but if you contradict me on that, I may just add a Shrine to the Greater Demon Wikia to the Temple... yeah, I might do that anyway). If this is a continuation of a conversation from elsewhere, it might be better to keep it elsewhere. If not, perhaps you need to give clearer responses, because I'm confused by some of them. :P

SadEgg: You thought you could sneak off without me noticing, eh? Young whippersnapper! -- no, hang on, sorry, that's something else. SadEgg (I have done a terrible thing by creating that name), while not perfect, the Greater Demon Wikia does know many things. Summon it, and it will impart gifts of knowledge and/or confusion to three. You may even be one of the three.

The badfic thread July pointed to is titled 'Reporting Evil Fics of Doom'; it's a few posts down, and we would appreciate it if you post there when you have a badfic. It helps keep it all in one place - and yes, the unclaimed badfic page is good too. Then people can pick them up later, as well as now.

Summary: July, be clearer (but not so clear we can see through you). EggNog, listen to what July says, for she is the servant of the Greater Demon Wikia, and knows many things. Both of you, look up at the ceiling and shout hurrah! for He Is Awake.

... wait, did I say hurrah or horror?

hS

EggNog by SadeG on 2012-04-23 20:08:00 UTC Reply

Thanks, Ill report it there or just ignore it. No one told me where to report it, so now I know.
The crux of it... by JulyFlame on 2012-04-23 19:37:00 UTC Reply

Is that going "Do we have people who do missions in X?" and then upon being shown how to find if there are missions in X, and then not responding with "Oh, gee, I see now, thanks," or anything that indicates that yes, they are aware there are missions in X and done by Y people, but with badfic instead of any actual suggestion that they actually found out the answer to their question kinda makes me suspect they just wanted to know so they can slot badfic into people to do missions for them. Answering as they were didn't actually tell me anything beyond they find badfic, definitively.

And no, the wiki is not perfect, but Neshomeh and I (mostly Neshomeh at the moment, since this is her pet project) are trying to make it be as complete as possible in terms of listing missions and agents where appropriate. It might be missing some information, but things like that- especially when they have more than one mission or agent from the continuum in question- are dealt with to ensure that the wiki is useful. It is very saddening when people don't bother to use the wiki when a good deal of answers can be found there.

Ok... by SadeG on 2012-04-23 20:11:00 UTC Reply

I have spent a lot of time on the wiki. I think its really cool, and has lots of information on it.
All true. by Huinesoron on 2012-04-23 19:41:00 UTC Reply

There was an 'ok' in there somewhere, I believe, but yes - the answer given wasn't the fullest possible. On the other hand, if EggNog didn't read your post, it's presumably a robot, and no amount of explanation will help. ;)

... right, you've done it now. The Greater Demon Wikia will be available for worship as soon as I get a chance.

(By the way... has anyone put Jay and Acy's missions on the List of the Slain yet?)

hS

One sad egg. by SadeG on 2012-04-23 20:29:00 UTC Reply

I really am sorry, I'm just not sure what the process is to kill a Mary Sue and how to know for sure if a story really needs to have a mission in it. I'll go ask on the reporting badfic topic, which is what I really needed to know about in the first place. Next time I will be more specific in my questions. I did check out the Zelda page in the wiki, and will go read the stories on it.

Sorry guys. I didn't mean to mess anything up or spam you.
Egg nog again by SadeG on 2012-04-23 20:12:00 UTC Reply

Nope, I'm not a robot, I'm not spamming, I'm just trying to find my way arround. I'm new.

I know. ;) by Huinesoron on 2012-04-23 20:29:00 UTC Reply

I was using a rhetorical device known as [insert rhetorical device here] to indicate that you almost certainly understood her first message, and were just, as [insert pronoun here] say, trying to find your way around.

[insert signature here]

Oh... by SadeG on 2012-04-23 20:38:00 UTC Reply

[insert words synonymous with the phrase I understand now]

Just out of curiosity, how did you get Sad Egg and EggNog?

Well, your name... by Huinesoron on 2012-04-23 20:46:00 UTC Reply

... is 'SadeG', or 'sadeg' with the caps taken out; that pretty much /says/ 'SadEgg'. 'EggNog' was just a logical (by a very strange variety of logical, I admit) progression from there.

hS

I see now. by SadeG on 2012-04-23 22:40:00 UTC Reply

I could figure out the sadeg part, but EggNog is still pretty cool.

A rudimentary search... by JulyFlame on 2012-04-23 19:45:00 UTC Reply

...suggests no.

Most odd.

How about that. by Huinesoron on 2012-04-23 19:49:00 UTC Reply

Clearly the Demon disapproves of them... further ~~invention~~ research is needed!

hS