*PMMM debate continues*

Subject: *PMMM debate continues*
Author: Shadow
Posted on: 2012-03-27 23:53:00 UTC

Well, yes, but what I meant was that in broader terms Oktavia could potentially have netted him exponentially more grief from innumerable Puella Magi than he could possibly have gotten from just one, if Kyouko and Homura hadn't beat her up before she could eat anyone and bud off familiars.

Alternately, there's a theory that he wanted Sayaka out of the way in order to decrease the number of people available to fight Walpurgisnacht, in which case he was just being himself and not mentioning important details like, "I can clear that thing up for you, y'know." This way, he got rid of two of the remaining three Puella Magi in the area in one stroke by misleading Kyouko into thinking it was possible to save Sayaka.

Alternately alternately, maybe he's familiar enough with Puella Magi who decide they want to be heroes of justice that he figures it's not worth trying to string her along, because she'll probably just get herself killed if she continues and her witchification is more profitable to him than her death.

Alternately alternately alternately, whoever writes the manga is not Gen Urobochi, and the two of them have different ideas about how it should work. ;)

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Did you ever have PPC dreams? by Sergio Turbo on 2012-03-26 14:37:00 UTC Reply

This night I had a dream in which there was on TV a PPC anime, featuring in the scene I saw two of my Agents neuralyzing Nagisa and Honoka from Pretty Cure. (And Kyuobey from Madoka, oddly. But maybe it was a crossover badfic.)

So... Did any of you have a similar dream, and wants to share it?

Sort of by Gone Rampant on 2012-03-28 17:29:00 UTC Reply

does it count if most of your ideas come from your dreams? Because if so, then yes- I have PPC Dreams.

Like this one time, where two faceless agents went into that Bieber concert movie and used it as an excuse to beat the everloving shit out fo him.

It was a good dream...
Kind of by ShatteredSanity on 2012-03-27 19:08:00 UTC Reply

I have daydreams about the PPC. Daydreams as in the fantasies I have when i'm trying to go to sleep. I'll make up a badfic, and have my agents react to it. Not sure that counts though. Probably not.

Doesn't count, but I can say I do that too. (nm) by Sergio Turbo on 2012-03-27 19:10:00 UTC Reply

Truth be told, I do that, too. by AnnaBee on 2012-03-27 19:46:00 UTC Reply

Which is an improvement. I used to make up self-insert badfic in my head. Now I do PPC missions.

Would neuralyzing QB even work? by Shadow on 2012-03-27 06:19:00 UTC Reply

I mean, he's some sort of crazy alien... thing. It might just slow him down until his little drone can reestablish its connection to the mothership or something. :P

Have no idea. by Sergio Turbo on 2012-03-27 08:25:00 UTC Reply

In fact, I didn't even SEE Puella Magi Madoka Magica, so I don't know why QB ended up there.
(Am I wrong, or are you saying that the cat-rabbit thing is not QB's true body?)

However, I know enough about QB to say he's in my "don't let my Agents near him" list.

Not because he would try something on Nikki or Corolla. It's because I would use the chance to kill him off for good.

I know, QB, you're doing that to save the universe... but killing off or tranforming in monsters young girls just isn't the way to go. *BANG*

Damn, I did just that. Sorry. Is Medical open?

Re: Have no idea. by firemagic on 2012-03-27 21:33:00 UTC Reply

Uh, no. Kyubey DOES take the form of a cat-rabbit-ferret thing, it's just there's a ton of him. Anyways, shooting him wouldn't work, since another of his bodies would just teleport in and eat the dead corpse. That said, is it possible to neuralyze other hive=minds?

Also, in one of the spin-off manga, another Incubator, named Juubey, eats the Grief directly from the soul gems, so... yeah, unless Kyubey can't do that for some reason, the witches shouldn't even come to exist pre-Episode 12.

About killing QB and hive-minds. by Sergio Turbo on 2012-03-28 09:11:00 UTC Reply

Neuralyzing hive-minds is considered to be nearly impossible - it is even said that any powerful enough hive-mind discovering the PPC would cause an Emergency. Then again, as it has been already said, QB would probably find the PPC useful.

About getting rid of QB, the plan is simple:

- Kill one with sniper rifle. (PSG-1 or SVD recommended. M82A1 if he is discovered to be resilient to gunfire)
- Wait for another one to teleport in.
- Kill that one too.
- Rinse and repeat.

In the eventuality that QB discovers the plan and a swarm of them starts chasing you, use of rapid-fire shotguns (AA-12, Pancor Jackhammer, Saiga 12) is recommended.
If he turns the Puella Magi against you, knock them out with tranquilizer guns first (M9 from Metal Gear Solid 2 recommended. MGS3's Mosing Nagant if they are distant.)

As Team Fortress 2's Sniper would say, prioritize you targets, be efficient, and have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

Hm.... by firemagic on 2012-03-28 18:19:00 UTC Reply

But there's an unlimited number of Kyubeys. He will die if you shoot him, but he could probably catch on after the second death (he might think it's Homura, though.)

And he'd either then run away, get some other Puella (who can't be harmed easily--remember the whole lich thing? Tranquilizers would probably just annoy a strong one), and have them kill you--after all, who would they believe: Their cute friend who made them into Puella, who was cruelly attacked by someone who he'd never provoked, or a crazy guy rambling about monsters who probably has a witch's kiss?

And Kyubey, I think, creates new bodies as the old ones die. Not certain if that counts as a hive-mind.

That... complicates things. by Sergio Turbo on 2012-03-28 19:30:00 UTC Reply

But there is a solution fot that too.

http://images.puella-magi.net/4/4f/QBcosplaymilitarycapturecomiket_80-2011.jpg?20110814211447

Gather an army. Deal with the Puella magi first with full-auto converted M9s (One dart can only annoy? Transform them in pincushions. The tranquilizer compund HAS to kick in, at that doses. Especially since MGS one is absurdingly strong.). Then unload all you have on QB.

(But please, fire the panzernoob with the RPG first! He's going do to a teamkill there!)

Yeah, I know, I am planning the death of a canon character.
But I find it a fun challenge, and also a way to exercise finding execution methods for missions.

Re: That... complicates things. by firemagic on 2012-03-28 20:22:00 UTC Reply

Hm... Well, Homura basically stole the entire Japanese military. It would not surprise me if she tried your exact plan at some point. But still, the basic problem with your plan is that no matter what you do, Kyubey can either a) make a new body, which he apparently can do an unlimited number of times, or b) just go to a different continent. And considering the whole meat-puppet thing, I have no idea if the Puella can be affected by any tranqs. All things considered, did they NEED to eat, sleep, or anything?

Also, I think that if Kyubey was ever replaced, I don't think it would be able to respawn unless that ability was ever shown off in the fic. If it was, then maybe your plan would work (or maybe a Headquarters-wide exorcism would be needed)

That girl has my approval. by Sergio Turbo on 2012-03-28 21:07:00 UTC Reply

A magical girl who is willing to stain her hands with gunpowder? Finally one with a sensical weapon choice when Nanoha powerlevels aren't avaible.

Well, good thing I don't work in the Madoka continuum - exocising QB would be quite of an hard job.

She should. by firemagic on 2012-03-28 22:23:00 UTC Reply

Hey, her power is to a) travel back to one specific point in time (basically a reset button), having an endless hammerspace shield and stopping time. So, she stopped time, walked into Yakuza headquarters/the Godzilla Defense Force, and grabbed everything that could possibly be counted as a weapon, including enough guns for a small civil war, several hundred rocket launchers, and a BATTLESHIP.

I think, after the two missions you and I are writing, one of our rescues will work there.

Good luck to the rescues, then. by Sergio Turbo on 2012-03-29 12:49:00 UTC Reply

And, in my opinion, single-use flintlocks are flashy but ultimately inefficient. A single decent SMG would provide the same about of firepower, at the same range and accuracy.

But then, I don't know how many of them Mami manages to conjure...

This many: by firemagic on 2012-03-29 13:07:00 UTC Reply

Whoa, enough to supply an entire army! (nm) by Sergio Turbo on 2012-03-29 14:29:00 UTC Reply

And that is why Homura is my favorite character (nm) (nm) by Shadow on 2012-03-29 01:01:00 UTC Reply
And, of course, Mami's weapon is a percussion-lock musket. (nm) by firemagic on 2012-03-28 23:47:00 UTC Reply

Kyubei's probably just thinking long-term by Shadow on 2012-03-27 22:03:00 UTC Reply

After all, darkness accumulates from fighting witches (or possibly from despair, but witches are certainly going to increase that), so letting some of them go all witchy is in his best interests. Or maybe he's just lazy and likes how convenient Grief Seeds are as a despair-concentration mechanism.

Re: the general hive mind neuralyzation issue: I think that'd depend on the being in question. You might have a chance with something like the Zerg or the Vord if you could get to the Queen (since she directly controls them), but I doubt it'd have any effect on any other member of the swarm. Whereas with the Incubators, where all the individual critters seem to be identical, there's no centralized target to go after.

On the plus side, QB would probably be very understanding of PPC agents; after all, Sues degrade reality, which hastens the end of the universe.

Except his way is really inefficient. by firemagic on 2012-03-27 22:51:00 UTC Reply

Well, if he could just eat the grief as it accumulates, then yes, it would be slower than the 'fall into despair, become witch, get defeated, eat the grief seed once it's been used up by a Puella' but it might be more efficient, since you can keep eating despair as a Puella Magi continues to live, so with, say, Sayaka, who didn't even last a month, he could have a) eaten the despair after she had become a witch and died, therefore getting rid of a producer of energy, or b) eat her despair directly from the soul gem, which means there'd be less amounts per eating, but she'd last much longer and therefore produce more grief total.

*PMMM debate continues* by Shadow on 2012-03-27 23:53:00 UTC Reply

Well, yes, but what I meant was that in broader terms Oktavia could potentially have netted him exponentially more grief from innumerable Puella Magi than he could possibly have gotten from just one, if Kyouko and Homura hadn't beat her up before she could eat anyone and bud off familiars.

Alternately, there's a theory that he wanted Sayaka out of the way in order to decrease the number of people available to fight Walpurgisnacht, in which case he was just being himself and not mentioning important details like, "I can clear that thing up for you, y'know." This way, he got rid of two of the remaining three Puella Magi in the area in one stroke by misleading Kyouko into thinking it was possible to save Sayaka.

Alternately alternately, maybe he's familiar enough with Puella Magi who decide they want to be heroes of justice that he figures it's not worth trying to string her along, because she'll probably just get herself killed if she continues and her witchification is more profitable to him than her death.

Alternately alternately alternately, whoever writes the manga is not Gen Urobochi, and the two of them have different ideas about how it should work. ;)

[/wild mass guessing]

Re: *PMMM debate continues* by firemagic on 2012-03-28 00:28:00 UTC Reply

Hmm...

Well, judging from OvS's witch card, she's not the sort to send her familiars (who seem to be Kamijou clones specifically to entertain her) into the world, the way Charlotte's Pyotrs (whose duty was to search for cheese) would. And eating a lot of small bits still seams more efficient. The idea that he wanted her out of the way to force Madoka, who had god-level magic, to contract, or force Homura to become Homulilly, does make sense.

Yes, Kazumi is written by someone else (Masaki Hiramatsu)

Should I mention a thing? by Sergio Turbo on 2012-03-28 19:39:00 UTC Reply

Creating new energy from grief seeds (or whatever they are) isn't going to work to avoid entropy.

Yeah, you'll avoid the "all the energy avaible has been converted into heat" end, but you'll end up with "we have still energy, but the universe is way too hot to sustain life" variant.

Yeah, it will take more time, but still a failure. (Unless the process is believed to convert heat in energy, but then is a blatant case of "the end doesn't justify the means". There HAS to be a better way to reconvert energy.)

It probably doesn't matter by firemagic on 2012-03-28 20:17:00 UTC Reply

Huh? I assumed that Kyubey was grossly simplifying the concept of entropy and his methods for Madoka--hence why he says the universe is losing energy, when it's really losing USABLE energy. I thought the Incubators had some magiscience way to use despair in a procedure which will fix slow entropy down.

Ooh, a mini Walpurgisnacht! by firemagic on 2012-03-27 01:08:00 UTC Reply

Strangely, I can't remember if I have ever had PPC dreams, but I feel like I did. I don't normally remember dreams, but the ones I do remember are weird. The sanest, most recent one involved a bunch of teenage genius-girls trying to get to the moon, in a space-ship that had a bomb thrown in through the window. Somehow, replacing the shards of glass kept the bomb from exploding. And there was a sort of bean-shaped air-kayak thing... my subconscious can get really weird sometimes.
I might have had one once... by Skorpionne on 2012-03-26 23:03:00 UTC Reply

I can't remmber, but the words "dream" and "PPC" ring a bell...

I did once dream that I was Frodo and that me and Sam were captured by Sauron, but instead of killing us and taking the Ring, he tried to sell us a sofa.

O.o My subconscious is odd.
Ohhh, dear. by AnnaBee on 2012-03-26 22:10:00 UTC Reply

I have dreams that I'm lost in HQ. Endless gray corridors surrounding me forever...
I do have PPC dreams by PitViperOfDoom on 2012-03-26 20:12:00 UTC Reply

Unfortunately, I never remember the details, just that the PPC was involved. In other news, I did dream last night that I kept spitting out my own teeth.

Bad bad bad. by Sergio Turbo on 2012-03-26 20:45:00 UTC Reply

Here in Italy dreams about losing teeth are considered a bad omen.

(It is even said that if you dream that, somebody you know is going to die, but once I dreamt that my teeth were shattering and nothing bad happened, so I don't believe in that.)

I have such dreams all the time. by doctorlit on 2012-03-27 03:06:00 UTC Reply

But I think it's just a sign of the fears I have resulting from inheriting poor teeth genes.
Hm by PitViperOfDoom on 2012-03-26 22:39:00 UTC Reply

What if some of them weren't teeth, they were seashells?

Then it's just odd. (nm) by Sergio Turbo on 2012-03-27 08:17:00 UTC Reply