Subject: Concerns.
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Posted on: 2012-03-22 02:11:00 UTC

VM said why you haven't gotten permission and how can can get permission, but I have some further concerns.

While you are trying to meet the various 'steps' you aren't really encouraging us to give you permission.

Your initial permission showed little apparent effort to it. The writing- spelling and grammar- was sloppy, and you used shortcuts to make and tell us about your characters rather than show us. (I also looked back, checked and discovered that your writing sample there that 'parodies' a RvB PSA was also plagiarism.) You even figured it was likely to fail. While it might not have been your intent, it can look like you were figuring that would excuse the slack standards you held yourself to for that writing sample and the characters. Expecting failure doesn't really impress or put confidence into others in your work or yourself, especially when it is what you gave us.

Your second permission attempt didn't really show much thought put into what you were presenting either. Again, it was a plagiarized piece, for the writing sample, and your characters went in concerning ways; as Neshomeh noted they're more interested in insulting and making cruel comments than in actually doing anything for canon, and your writing was also dismissive of both canon and of your readers. Beyond that, there's also the item I had mentioned there, with regards to one of your agents having Lust Objects that are both very young in comparison to his given age. That, as I mentioned, can be creepy- it's also something that can be discomforting to some people.

When people brought up that it was plagiarized, you basically waved it off, giving an incorrect definition. While you might not have understood the meaning of 'plagiarization', learning to not copy the works of others and passing it off as your own- especially in terms of creative works- is something that everyone learns early in school and has drummed into their heads throughout their education. As I said in this thread already, dismissing that isn't impressive, and when you treat it as being alarmist, that's also not something that encourages us- as Permission Givers- to consider giving you permission, even in the future.

Being sound technically doesn't mean you'll be granted permission. We care about the PPC canon as it is; about our reputations as writers- plagiarism is a huge deal. Putting no effort or care into your works is, too. We care about what we write. We care about not being bullies. Our reputuation is important to us; when you write something that is actually bad, or is plagiarized, it reflects badly upon all of us.

So far your attempts have been contradictory to most of those points. No or little effort, cribbing, outright mean comments. These are things that are important, too. These are things that I take into consideration, as do others. And it's also something we consider for later attempts.

While VM's response was technically correct, I'm going to put it straight to the point: Our constitution very explicitly states we do not approve of plagiarists. A lot of the stuff you've done for your attempts doesn't secure in our minds that you're someone who'll not plagiarize again, and that you won't go for mean, low effort missions.

Show us that you're making moves to improve your writing and actually working care and effort into it. Chat on the board, in the chatroom. Do things that are actually community-building.

While I can't order or demand you to do anything, I heavily suggest that you hold off on asking for permission again until you're able to do that sort of thing and it doesn't raise suspicions on our parts.

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