Re: Nagato and neuralyzation

A question about SEP Fields by theusualsuspectshines on 2012-01-21 15:36:00 UTC Reply

It says on the Wiki that SEP Fields can be penetrated by canon characters who are omniscient in some way. What I would like to know is this: Does having the canonical ability to break the fourth wall count as a form of omniscience?

Ex. Bugs Bunny has been known to talk to the audience and make asides to the viewers of his cartoons on numerous occasions. Since a PPC Agent technically counts as an audience, would he be able to talk to them despite the presence of a SEP Field?

Hmm... (Not standard treatment, just thinking about it.) by Aster Corbett on 2012-01-21 16:24:00 UTC Reply

Only if they aren't suefluenced, probably. A big difference between medium awareness and omniscience is that a medium-aware character is still at the whims of the plot; they may not know what else is going on in their OWN story or be able to manipulate their medium ('skip ahead chapters') in a way that could reveal things. The fact that a character might be a Mary Sue or an agent might be there may not occur to them because for all purposes they have the same perception as a normal person even if they have 'insider' medium-knowledge.

In short, while they may know they're in a story, they are still in the story and wouldn't know what's going on in scenes where they aren't there, or know that the PPC is part of the medium they're familiar with in the first place.

Besides, lots of characters like this are aware for purposes of humor. So while they might be able to wink sideways at the audience, they'd only be able to do it if it's funny.

So Pinkie Pie might be able to make a gag at the agents, but only after she's no longer OOC and only when it's funny. Being able to simply see through a SEP field may, or may not be funny. Besides, we aren't part of HER medium; we're practically invaders. So while she might be aware that she lives in a cartoon, she might not know WHAT cartoon or that the PPC exists at all.

A question about a specific character by Sergio Turbo on 2012-01-21 18:33:00 UTC Reply

Particularly, Yuki Nagato from The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya.

Being an humanoid interface of the Sentient Data Entity Whatever, she was able to spot and identify two Agents in a particularly messed up fic (FishCustard's one with the scenery custard from reality disruption, remember?)
The reason given inside is that due to the high RD index, the SEP field stopped working.

However, being Yuki a sort of autonomous sock puppet of a bigger entity, is it plausible that neuralization only appears to work on her? She's a taciturn and meek "girl" who isn't going to talk about things unless needed (well, actually she doesn't talk at all unless needed), so it would be rather hard to notice that she knows something she shouldn't.

Re: Nagato and neuralyzation by Fish Custard on 2012-01-21 19:44:00 UTC Reply

In my head-canon, neuralization works on Nagato on a superficial level. Any relevant data would be deleted from her 'RAM' as it were and she wouldn't directly remember anything about the Agents, etc.

However, anything stored with the Data Integration Thought Entity would be unaffected, so should the PPC return to the Haruhi-verse it would be plausible for her to be able to retrieve this data and have some knowledge of the PPC and 'Sues. The fact that Nagato's faction pretty much exists to constrain crazy events certainly helps in keeping it all hush-hush.

Just my 2p worth.

Thank you. by Sergio Turbo on 2012-01-22 10:54:00 UTC Reply

As in my next mission I have a recruit Agent to train, found myself out of badfics eligible.

Ace Combat? The poor recruit doesn't know how to fly a plane.
Card Captor Sakura? It would be bad for the sanity of a Sakura badfic clone.
MGLNanoha? The one I got into hands needs serius firepower, and is a crossover still featuring Sakura.

So I was scouting a bit of MoHS fics in order to do one mission in that continuum.

Mind if I suggest reading the MoHS/Initial D crossover on the Pit? I found that incredibly funny.

Of course, I still want to know how Haruhi got a Group S FIA license, as basically there isn't a single race in that class. (Created in 1986 for for the 1987 rally championship, with even more powerful cars than Group B. When Group B was found being too dangerous the same year, in 1987 they decided to scratch away the idea and go with Group A instead.)

To get an idea about a Group S car, go google the Lancia ECV. A Lancia Delta S4 on steroids. 700 horsepower, 890 when overboosting, 890 kilograms. No Haruhi, maybe you shouldn't drive one... Good thing she used a Honda Integra instead.

No problem! ^_^ by Fish Custard on 2012-01-22 22:50:00 UTC Reply

Hmm... I shall have to go check that out. I know nothing about Initial D, but I'm sure TVTropes can fix that for me! :P

However, I do see that giving Haruhi an incredibly powerful car is a Very Bad Idea (tm)!