Subject: Hmmm...
Author:
Posted on: 2011-10-02 23:51:00 UTC
Good point.
I wanted to ask you about that earlier but my net died on me.
Perhaps can discuss later?
Subject: Hmmm...
Author:
Posted on: 2011-10-02 23:51:00 UTC
Good point.
I wanted to ask you about that earlier but my net died on me.
Perhaps can discuss later?
There's something that I and others have been noticing increasingly with newer spinoffs, which is that they rather lack something that earlier spinoffs and even the original series had: Intertextuality. Beyond sharing a common setting (the PPC) and a very small subset of characters (Makes-Things, Luxury, the Flowers, Docs Fitzgerald and Freedenberg), there is, quite literally, nothing connecting most spinoffs these days to each other. While cowrites might occur, they remain as brief, ephemeral things, that are rarely mentioned afterwards or have little bearing on connecting the spinoffs involved.
In short, spinoffs have become fairly insular.
So this challenge is to encourage everyone to break that habit!
By which, I mean the core of this challenge is to work references into your PPC works to other spinoffs, agents, and events that take place at HQ or in the missions of others.
to you
To make it extra fun, everyone can organize into teams (of four individuals at the most) to compete for a prize; a trophy for the group, and invididual prizes: art, intense beta/thinktank, or a story with a prompt as decided by you.
To qualify for the challenge, a story has to take place in your spinoff. Each reference in a piece- regardless of if it is a mission or otherwise- earns one point, with a maximum of five points per piece.
How this works:
Bringing up a character that does not belong to you (but is not a communally used character) counts.
-Characters that do not count for this are the Flowers, Luxury, Dr. Fitzgerald, Dr. Freedenberg, Makes-Things, and any character that has not been in a story after 2008.
-Techno-Dann counts only for half a point due to being a recently prominent character.
Example: Orken (written by Guvnor) mentioning Ilraen (written by Neshomeh) counts for one point.
Example: Fritz (written by Joe) bringing up Narcolepsy (also written by Joe) does not count.
Example: Pam (written by DML) mentioning Dann (owned by Techno-Dann) counts for half a point.
Example: Lucius (written by Tray-Gnome) mentioning the Marquis (a Flower) does not count.
Bringing up fic that your character could have heard about being assigned to another group counts if the fic has been covered in another mission.
-Fics featured in missions from before 2009 do not count for this.
Example: Bringing up Cupcakes as a mission counts for one point.
Example: Bringing up C*l*br**n as a mission does not count.
Bringing up events count for a point as long as they occured in 2009 or later.
Example: Mentioning the events that occured in the thread- or rather, the existence of the mp3 and the forwarded messages- with the ICEP messages would count.
Example: Bringing up the Macrovirus Emergency and subsequent Sue Invasion of 2008 does not count.
Example: Bringing up Makes-Things' death does not count.
Example: Bringing up Makes-Things' return would count.
Example: Bringing up Cadmar (written by Caddy-Shack) and his shark teeth and current genderbent status would count.
Bonus Points:
There are two methods to gain bonus points for this challenge.
The first is to have this interplay directly affect the mission and whatever is happening in there by impacting the storyline in a way that the characters are placed under pressure in it and must face an obstacle to overcome. This gains a piece an additional 3 points beyond the 5 point limit, but requires there to have been a previous event earlier in the spinoff to allow it to happen.
Example: Dann and Pam steal ammunition from a Call of Duty badfic, but by Operation Sue Hunt, Pam has depleted the ammunition because she doesn't shoot well, leaving them only with a handful of flashbang grenades, and nothing else. Because Pam used up all their ammunition, their original plan to go gun down the sue can't be done, forcing them to improvise and come up with a plan that doesn't involve using their guns.
The second is to have back and forth references between two or more spinoffs. Once all involved spinoffs have completed a cycle of three or more pieces each with this back and forth, each writer earns an additional five points. This is usually easiest to complete through a cowritten mission or interlude and suggesting that events or discussion that had begun in the cowritten piece is continuing off the page and between what is shown in the text.
Example: Two agents (written by two different people) end up in Medical at the same time, and begin talking in a cowritten piece. The first agent brings up the discussion in their spinoff with additional information that suggestions the dialogue has continued and the agents are still meeting each other to talk. The second agent also brings up the discussion with further information, or mentions meeting the first agent to talk more. The cycle repeats until it reaches a point where it is finished. References that apply to the previous examples still gain points.
If you don't want your agents mentioned by others, please bring this up.
Considerations:
A few things to consider, one in-universe and the others while writing:
Agents are probably interested in their environment- the PPC- and their colleagues as a general rule- HQ is their main location for socializing with people who are not their partner, and very few people would be willing to spend all of their free time with someone they work with.
If you like a spinoff -especially if it is one that gets less attention!- mention it in yours.
Avoid stuffing references in randomly just to gain points! Organic conversations about what's going on can happen if your agents are having a boring moment in a fic while waiting for something to happen, but just throwing it in at a random in will throw others off. Reference with relevance.
Example: In one as of yet unpublished mission dating back to 2008 that I still need to finish, I bring up Trojie and her previous partner due to a fire extinguisher Library is using on JF because the latter has an issue with combusting. Trojie's partner had a similar problem.
This challenge begins October 2nd 2011 (with this post), and will end January 2nd 2012.
Once you have a team sorted out, post them here.
Start writing!
Or, rather, join/start a team and then start writing.
I have a couple of missions on the boil that I want to finish. Both set back in 2010, but I could potentially tweak that.
Anyone looking for an extra member for a writing team?
Elcalion, puppy dog eyes
If you are interested in joining us, then we would be glad to have you. Right now it is only Poor Cynic and myself.
THIS! I have been saying this for a while, that spin offs are sort of like islands when HQ should unite everybody. I was already going to make an effort to try and include others in my missions anyway.
I doubt I'll win the challenge, but I don't really need it as a carrot on a stick to do this anyway. I wanted to do this before the contest rolled around!
Now only if I could finish the TWO missions I am halfway done with. :|
I've got a couple of items on my docket right now that are fairly close to being finished. The mission is a bit too close for me to start putting in references, but I might be able to work something into a collection of short interludes that I've been working on. Would anyone be willing to co-write their characters in a brief scene with Danny Richardson? Nothing majorly canon-altering, just a bit of fun. I'd prefer agents that are gamers, gamblers, or otherwise thrill-seekers.
Once those pieces are out of the way, I'll be free to fully focus on this little challenge. If anyone wants to group, I'd be happy to lend a hand.
I'm game for that. Is it okay if the agent in question hasn't actually been formally introduced yet?
Would their backstory allow for being part of the PPC before mid-June 2011 HST? That's when I'm putting the story on my internal canonical timeline.
I was planning on introducing them with a few missions under their belt already. They've been around for a little while, timeline-wise. Would you want both of the agent-pair, or just one?
I'm not sure though. I have a couple of missions I'm working on that I could change to fit this, but I'm not sure how well that would work.
On a completely different note, does anyone know how I can get in contact with Tranum? I would like to discuss with him a possible interaction between my Jenka and his Drew Charles.
Me and Miah will be in a team together, anyone else we join up with at a later date we can announce here, or in Chat.
Members: Caddy, Miah, Pretzel, Shoe.
I love this idea, but I'm planning to use November to work on my own original story, so that's about a third of the challenge time gone. I'm sure I'm not the only one doing NaNo, so can we do something to compensate?
~Neshomeh
Good point.
I wanted to ask you about that earlier but my net died on me.
Perhaps can discuss later?
I figure there are only a few options here. The simplest may just be to make darn sure you do this again when it isn't November, and those of us who are doing NaNo can officially participate then. In the meantime, like Aster, I'm happy to work on this premise anyway.
Otherwise, it would have to be some sort of compensatory points system (maybe per words of novel written?), which may or may not sit well with people who are actually writing PPC stuff in November. You'd have to get more input than just mine for something like that.
~Neshomeh
Assume that I write a story with Barid and Brightbeard, where they mention the MP3 of JulyFlame and also reference the conversation that Barid had with Nume. Would that be two points or would it just be one, because it is technically referencing the same event?
Hmmm.
If the two items are brought up together at the same time- in conjunction- they'd count as one point.
But if they're treated separately- say, the mp3 comes up at a later point, but Brightbeard and Barid talk about Barid's trolling of Nume at the beginning of the story (or the other way around) they'd count for two points.
Spirit of the rules is more important than technicalities.
Since someone asked, and I forgot to mention/clarify this:
No, you do not have to be on a team for this.
If your individual points tally up to more than the average-per-team-member of the winning team, you get to choose one of the individual prizes.
Whoever scores the most points on their own gets a trophy just for them and an individual prize, too.
Also, this challenge is more directed at short missions and interludes (instead of epics spanning more than twenty pages).
Since I am already writing an interlude in which some Agents not of mine appear as cameos (instead of just references as in the challenge), I'd like to know if this still qualifies. A big part of it is a co-write, too, and it will probably qualify as a team writing as Astral Void says she cannot post her next MST until I get around to post this interlude (and one of the already posted ones has a slight reference to it)
Okay, agents who are not your own, who have cameo roles, and are not being written by their owner count. If the cowrite is with their owner, it does not count for a point.
Anything that is published for everyone to read from when I made the beginning post counts for the challenge.