Subject: Re: FicPsych
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Posted on: 2011-08-12 00:45:00 UTC
I'm actually pretty interested now. Can you link me to a few good FicPsych stories so I could get the feel for it?
Subject: Re: FicPsych
Author:
Posted on: 2011-08-12 00:45:00 UTC
I'm actually pretty interested now. Can you link me to a few good FicPsych stories so I could get the feel for it?
Hi PPC! I just joined and the guidline thing said that I should introduce myself. So again, hi. Last night, I stayed up untill 3 or so in the morning reading kingdom hearts missions. Stories. Things.
Right so anyways, today I was reading the wiki, and came across the Gargoyles Mary Sue test thing. I only got to the first section when I became distressed.
See, for as far back as I could remember, I've sort of had an imaginary alias, named Mimkana. She, well, was always sort of a Mary Sue I realize now. She was who I wanted to be, brave, good, a hero. As I got older, I started to refine the character a bit, she got guilty about things that weren't her fault, stopped having super magical powers that could do anything and started using swords instead.
But what I do, present tense mind you, is I take characters from stories, and go on adventures with them. Mimkana is usually with them and is usually kicking ass. Now I KNOW she is a Mary Sue, so I suppose I feel guilty for making her that way. But I wont let go of a character that has been in my head since kindergarten, maybe earlier.
I want to know if it's okay that I unknowingly made a Mary Sue and that if its okay that even though I know now what she is, that I will still keep her MarySueish.
I too made a Stu (Who didn't in his past?), yet I managet to create a good character out of it with some work. It's Agent Sergio Turbo, if you want to check him out.
The old Sergio (character) was a detective and amazingly good rally car driver at freaking TEN years old, had nearly perfect aim, could use ant weapon and drive any vehicle, et cetera.
The current Agent is, well, a PPC Agent of an actually reasonable age (18 at the beginning of the spinoff), has a reasdonable aim (still on the good side, but nothing spectacular), and the only exception to "normal" skills is the "fighter pilot" thing, a little bit needed as one of my "patrol" continua is Ace Combat.
So, with a little work, Mimkana can reform and even become an Agent. You already did the most difficul thing, recognizing her as a Sue. The rest will be a piece of cake.
Welcome to the board! Have a sentient and possibly homicidal computer. They're great at parties.
First off: Welcome to the PPC, have a seat and enjoy the insanity.
Second on: I have, in the privacy of my head, created a few Mary Sue type characters. I would be surprised to discover a person with an active imagination who has never imagined a more perfect and popular version of themself.
There is nothing wrong with characters who Kick Ass, even ones who do so in multiple continuums. These characters, while they likely have at least a few traits in common with Mary Sues, are not neccesarily Mary Sues. It is possible for a good writer to create a character who scores highly on Mary Sue tests that is not, in fact, a Mary Sue.
This may help you feel better: http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20051212 At the very least I hope you will find it amusing. (I know I do.)
I've written/imagined at least half a dozen poorly characterized OCs and two author inserts, even after joining the PPC and constantly being told, "MARY SUE = BAD" twice a week.
I just don't publish them. They still feel like friends. And I still feel guilty.
And I still may try to publish one of them (improved, of course).
So even though I'm the least expert Boarder here, I'm going to say that if you love your character and you're willing to go through the painful "whipping into shape with very critical beta" bits, you could still write about her.
Welcome to the Board! Here, have some chocolate, won't you?
And don't worry about the Mary Sue thing, I myself might have created some... questionable characters. But I was young! Inexperienced!
Hence why I'm working on improving my writing skills... if partially to make myself feel better...
Welcome, new friend! Have a keychain!
Well met, rookie! Please enjoy this comforting goose down blanket as a welcoming present.
We love having new people!
As for the whole Mary Sue-ish aspect... there's actually quite a divide in the PPC about what constitutes a well-written Sue. Some of us here do in fact believe that it is entirely possible to write a Mary Sue character who is actually pretty interesting to read about to other people (though some would argue that she stops really being a Sue once you get there). I know one person who once wrote a character with a ton of God-mod Sue powers that she acquired over the course of a fic, but the powers allowed for a very nuanced characterization, and that was for the better.
I guess the optimist in me says that you could probably keep some of the powers, but make her characterization/reaction to said powers interesting. And when all else fails, hey, Sues stop being Sues when their flaws are explored a little further.
Anyhow... Here, have some Shostakovich for the road:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2W8kGdCwmA&playnext=1&list=PL30ADF3BB551A1AF3
And yeah, I think most of us have been there. There's no reason to be ashamed about it. {= ) There's absolutely nothing wrong with a kickass female character who goes on adventures, even with canon characters, provided she doesn't break said characters or the world while she's doing it. As galenfea says, how people react to the character and how easily she attains her goals is a big part of what makes a Sue, far more than what abilities she has.
As for me, I put my old avatar through character boot camp by putting her in the PPC—specifically FicPsych, where she's part of a team and has bosses, and is not allowed to be the center of attention and get her way all the time, and even the good things aren't perfect. Plus, she can only "fix" the canon characters to be as they are in canon; no redeeming the antiheroes on the side. It's done a world of good, I think. ^_^
~Neshomeh
What exactly is that? I think I could put my character there for a short while. It wouldn't disrupt the universe I made, It would be interesting, and frankly after I stopped reading at 3 am I started having fantasies where a version of Mimkana actually became aware of PPC's existence.
FicPsych is the abbreviation used for the Department of Fictional Psychology, which is responsible for getting canon characters back to themselves after particularly horrible badfic, when neuralyzation just wouldn't quite cut it. For instance, in my last mission (co-written with Tungsten Monk), Aragorn and Gandalf had all their strength and wits sapped out of them by a particularly evil Stu-wraith, and just erasing their memories wouldn't fix that.
FicPsych also looks after agents and new recruits if circumstances warrant, but it's not their primary function. I should clarify that my character Jenni was never a patient; she works there, and that's been pretty therapeutic for her as a character by itself. If you want to have Mimkana run into her or any of the other nurses I write sometime, just drop me a line. {= )
~Neshomeh
If I sent my character to FicPsych just to get a "check-up", can I have her memory erased afterwards?
I don't think FicPsych goes about wiping people's memories under false pretenses, which is what you seem to be suggesting. I can see them neuralyzing an agent if the agent were desperate enough to sign a lot of paperwork beforehand, but generally I think the use of neuralyzers or memory-wiping spells and such is restricted to canon characters, and then only to remove the memories of things that didn't actually happen as far as the canon is concerned. One reason, I think, is that it would be cheating the agent of a chance at character development to just excise something causing that much trouble. The Narrative Laws would not approve.
If you're looking for a random accident with a neuralyzer, though, there are plenty of ways to contrive one, not necessarily involving FicPsych at all. That could be fun.
~Neshomeh
I'm actually pretty interested now. Can you link me to a few good FicPsych stories so I could get the feel for it?
The truth is, there aren't many, but the first and the best is Fictional Psychology by Nenya.
I've written a couple of FicPsych-centered stories myself, and they're archived here, along with links to that first one and a few others (though I think one link is broken . . . I'll have to fix that at some point).
Also, the mission I mentioned is here, though I warn you it's pretty long and FicPsych only comes into it at the end.
I recommend surfing the wiki for more information. There are pages for FicPsych and Dr. Freedenberg and lots of other stuff you'll probably end up wondering about. Beware of in-jokes and references to stuff that was current at the time and inter-series continuity.
~Neshomeh
Thank you very much, i'll get right on to reading these!
First of all, welcome!
Secondly, I feel your pain. I also created a character who was a much awesomer version of myself when I was younger, and she went on adventures with all my favourite fictional characters. She was the daughter of a fighter pilot (Biggles, if anyone's familiar with the series) and he often took her along on his missions, where she made herself useful as a radio/radar operator, navigator and occasional medic. She was eleven (my age at the time). In years since then of actively hunting out Sues, I have never seen a worse example.
I still write that character. She's still named after me, still speaks numerous languages fluently, still kicks ass and is still a trained pilot and the daughter of a WW2 fighter pilot, so she's still Suish (she regularly scores as a bad Sue in litmus tests). However, I feel that she's made less of a Sue within her context because of the way others react to her. For example, I recently wrote her in a story where she screwed up and miscalculated several situations, got in trouble for her mistakes and attitude and just didn't have everything go her way. Others may disagree, but I think that makes her less of a Sue.
So I'd say that it's certainly fine that you once created a Sue (I'm pretty confident that most people here can say the same) and it's also OK that you won't drop her (I absolutely understand emotional connection to an old character) and that she may not be as Suish as she seems on paper depending on how you write her :)
Thanks. Mimkana didn't even make it past the "Is your character named after you?" section of the gargoyles test, because I use that name in some forums. I've never put her down on paper, because I've had the character so long I'd have to explain the back story for every other character, credit the owners of other characters, and explain what the other characters are doing with her.
Thank you very much, you've made me feel alot better.