Subject: Re: Pardon me, but I have a question...
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Posted on: 2011-03-11 00:13:00 UTC
No, I didn't write any agent Dusk Daybreak. As I said - I think - the agent I'm writing is Agent Caroline Moor.
And I would be a newbie.
I was thinking of doing a spinoff of Protectors of the Plot Continuum, but I wanted to create a new department known as the Department of Fanciful Stories, wherein all agents fight to protect the dignity of the works of the authors J.R.R. Tolkien, Tamora Pierce, Erin Hunter, and J.K. Rowling - though the emphasis would be on Pierce and Hunter. In the cases of Tolkien and Rowling, the Department of Fanciful Stories would act as fill-ins for the other departments who work with those universes - that way all the other departments could be up to their ears in reports, and the DoFS could still take on the extras.
The Department of Fanciful Stories would tackle bad slashes, Mary Sues, bad crossovers and (of course) disturbing acts of violence within the fanfics for the universes it protects. And anyone who DARES to sully Pierce's works will be executed in a most delightfully brutal manner... heheheh...
Anyway, the DoFS agent's name would be Caroline, and she will be (for the moment) partnerless - although I do have a partner in mind that will probably introduced by the third chapter or so.
The badge for the Department of Fanciful Stories will be a coyote mint. And the Department Head would also be Coyote Mint.
If you'd like a preview of the spin-off, I have already written the first chapter - it just hasn't been published yet, as I am waiting for approval.
. . . you don't need permission, capitalised or otherwise. The Permission Givers on this board only have jurisdiction over stories which actually use the PPC brandname. Their approval would be decorative at best.
However, it doesn't sound to me like you want to create a spin-off of the PPC -- which is the whole organisation and encompasses many departments -- but of the Department of Mary Sues. I suspect by now you've got the hint that there are plenty of pre-existing departments which would fit the role.
However, if you did mean you want to strike out on your own and create your own fictional police force, which would hopefully have all sorts of wonderful quirks to set it apart from the PPC, don't bother asking here for approval, just go ahead and do it. Stick it to the man, that's what I always say.
(It isn't what I always say. But only for lack of opportunity)
That's actually a pretty good idea... And now that I look at it, I'd really only need to change a couple of things around to make it my own work entirely. But I would still give credit to PPC for the inspiration.
Thank you for your advice.
I'm sure we'd all enjoy reading it if you felt like throwing us a link when you publish it. :)
Glad we could help.
What do I do about the charges against Mary Sues? I have an idea for an official list of charges for the Pierceverse and the Hunterverse, but what about the Rowlingverse and Tolkineverse? I don't want to plagiarize that, but how else am I going to charge Sues who muck around with those universes?! Help!
As far as I know a lot of people don't really have official charge lists anyway, but just make them up as they go along.
(You aren't the person who wrote Dusk and Dawn, the agents, are you though?)
Also, like I said, kudos for the Warriors fan-ness.
Ah, I see. And no, I'm not the Dusk Daywhatever person. I wouldn't choose a name that cheesy. :)
Yay, a fellow Warriors fan! :)
I'd like to read it, when you get any up.
As soon as it's up, sure I'll add a link!
Sure I'll post a link to it! First I have to find a site I won't get kicked off of for figuratively destroying other authors' stories. :)
A lot of people post PPC stories on LiveJournal, that might be an option for you.
A lot of the stuff I write of late (ie, The Twisted Skein, and specifically the barely-begun Time Will Decide For Us) is only marginally connected to the original PPC. It's mostly, in fact, connected to my old Agents. It's very tempting to try and break the connection entirely and make it its own piece. The reasons I haven't are that it'd then just be a random semi-fanfic with nothing anyone would want to read. :P That probably doesn't apply in your case.
If you think you can make it something not PPC but still something people will want to read - and(/or?) you'd enjoy it more - splitting away is fun. It means you don't have to stick in things you don't like, for one.
hS
I think it would almost have to be at least barely connected, because the charges would have to be about the same and I would need to give credit for the inspiration. Other than that, though, I think if I rearrange things like the main organization name and the department head and the technology a little, it could turn out to be an entirely new fanfiction (for the most part).
I just wouldn't feel right about claiming it was -entirely- my idea, you know? It would feel too much like plagiarism to me if I didn't put a disclaimer on the story that said something to the effect of, "this was inspired by the original PPC series by Jay and Acacia."
I would like to tactfully point you to Neshomeh and Sedri's request, below. But I'm afraid I can only do it untactfully, so here you are. Please get back to them, it's rather important.
Every PPC story that wasn't written by Jay and Acacia is part of a spin-off. So asking for Permission is the way to go when trying to start a spin-off.
-Phobos
Nobody needs permission to write something inspired by another author. :)
Does she want to write the PPC spin-off, Department of Fanciful Stories, or does she want to write her own set of stories that don't involve the PPC? If it's the first, which it does seem to be, I'd agree with Phobos: she definitely needs permission to write something that takes place in the PPC. But if she's writing her own set of stories, inspired by the PPC, Kaitlyn's right. I'm inclined to think it's the former, but I could be wrong.
...In any case, clarification would be nice.
I did initially want to do a spin-off. However, the more I thought about it, the more I figured it would be more fun to do my own series of stories instead, and just use the PPC as a muse.
But I thought I'd cover all the bases. :P
You wouldn't happen to be the author of the agent Dusk Daybreak, would you? Because we (that is, Neshomeh and I, mainly) have been trying to get in touch with that person for a while now.
In response to your actual question, I agree with what's already been said; no offense, but there's absolutely no reason to create a new department like this. If you specifically want your agents to focus on Pierce's (and Hunter's) work(s), you could have them be Freelance Department agents who specialise in those authors. That said, I also don't recognise you (though my presence has been spotty for a while now) - are you new or a long-abesnt oldbie?
No, I didn't write any agent Dusk Daybreak. As I said - I think - the agent I'm writing is Agent Caroline Moor.
And I would be a newbie.
A) Sorry, but that already exists: All-Purpose Department. They work with continua, not with types of badfic.
B) Are you too new or too old? Because I don't remember you either.
In case you're too new: Welcome! Leave your sanity at the door and enjoy this apple pie!
This seems to me to be pretty much just the Department of Floaters with a more focused... focus. To that end, we don't really need a new department right now, and in any case it's customary to wait around a month or two after introducing yourself before asking for permission to write a spin-off.
So introduce yourself, yes? Who are you? What do you like to do? Who is your favorite author? What of the PPC have you read before? What's your favorite spin-off? Have you done much writing in the past? Can we see some of that? That sort of thing. We really like to get to know you and have you be a part of the community as well as a fellow writer.
Also please take a minute to look over Da Rules, how to get Permission, the Original Series, and A Few Other Spin-offs.
I don't really understand the point of making a new department for something that is already done in other deparments.
You could just make your agents specify in that continua, instead of forming a new department.
Do you mean just kill badfic, or are you talking about, I dunno, unusually absurd stuff like Alanna the Lioness flying away on a winged Bluestar? (Also, kudos for Warriors canon. It's neat.) And no offense, but are you totally new, or have I just failed to notice you?
(I have no actual influence on this. I'm just curious.)