Subject: Yow. . .
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Posted on: 2011-02-09 00:37:00 UTC
Don't know how to help either of you. Ick.
Subject: Yow. . .
Author:
Posted on: 2011-02-09 00:37:00 UTC
Don't know how to help either of you. Ick.
OK, guys. I'm fairly sure at least a few of you know a fanboy or two in real life. I know several, but I really am terrible at dealing with them. Beyond getting the urge to smack them around with a plank of wood, anyway.
Thankfully he's not very confident with his writing skill, so it will probably never get off the ground. But he will not shut up about his convoluted Star Wars AU where Obi Wan is not taken in by the Jedi, but the Sith and eventually becomes a chess-master-like figure that takes Dooku's place, drives Palpatine into hiding, and makes his own non-jedi/non-sith section of space, using the /entire/ clone army-- which he owns.
I am trying so hard to tell him that this is badfic, no matter how epic the storyline or fiddly the plot twists are, or how long, or how beautiful the complex political drama is... it's a character replacement for Obi-Wan Kenobi. Not a shred of the original canon character is left. Even if he wrote it, even if it was good, it would be a story about some guy who is distinctly /not/ Obi-Wan Kenobi, not even if he had lifelong divergent character development. You could name the guy 'Steve' and the story would still go on.
Every time I try and tell him he's abominating a canon character, he rebuts by saying that I am just some kind of fanfiction conservative that doesn't believe anything but the exact canon can be good. But... it's fanfiction. You HAVE to at least nod at the canon... If it's mechanically and even workably good but one doesn't pay attention to the canon, it's not fanfiction anymore.
TL;DR: He is trying to make Obi Wan Kenobi a Mary Tsu. I am trying to stop him, but he hates the writing of 12-year-olds as much as I do and can't see he's behaving like one.
He's a bit of a fanfiction elitist himself and considers the 50+ chapter crazy epic fanfiction (canon-respecting or not) the pinnacle of writing skill. Also the Star Wars EU as the best literature around, which should be a *warning sign.*
DISCUSSION QUESTION: How do you deal with fanboys in real life? How does one justify that long doorstopper fanfiction with mostly ok grammar =/= goodfic? Are we as canon-lovers really 'conservatives' in the world of fanfiction?
It seems that every time a question like this comes up, I say "it's a matter of opinion" and leave it at that, which I'm tempted to do here: 'Radicals' will always consider those more hesitant to be 'conservatives', and vice-versa. That said, it's an interesting topic. I don't actually know any crazy fans in real life, so I can't answer that one, but I can't say I'd actually mind being considered 'conservative'. Whether we are or not is the question. Hm...
I'd say that everyone who writes halfway decent fanfiction has to respect canon to some degree, otherwise it's blatent Sueism. Respect isn't the same as conservativeness, though; some of the best fanfics I've seen have gone out on quite a long limb, but they're still on the tree, so to speak - it sounds like you're talking about the sort of people who jump right off the canon-tree and go swinging around on jungle vines like Tarzan. It may well be that 'we' (and I'll use that term very broadly) are convservatives, and likely also in the minority, but given that about eighty percent of the fanfic floating around tends to be rubbish, who says it's a bad thing? If conservativeness generally results in good fanfic, I'll take up the banner with pride!
...Though that still doesn't answer your question, does it? I've gone off on a tangent. Really, I just don't know. But thanks for bringing up the topic, because it's fun to think about.
(I have to admit, I had a plotline somewhat like that planned out once. It was even for Star Wars, though I lost interest in the fandom long before it could get off the ground - thank goodness. Maybe this guy will do the same. Maybe not. Here's hoping.)
A darkside Obi-Wan could make for a very impressive goodfic, but I doubt he'd end up a Mary Tsu, and that planned ending point is ridiculously out-of-character. Obi-Wan is just too hands-on to be an Emperor or similar.
Unfortunately, there really is no cure. In the example you gave, the best argument I could come up with is that that version of Obi-Wan isn't Obi-Wan at all, and that people who want to read fiction about Obi-Wan are going to be rather disappointed - but that's a tenuous argument at best.
I encountered one of those this summer. In fact, I dated on of those this summer, until he revealed that he thinks that Eddiekins is the pinnacle of the male persona. And started talking about weddings.
But anyway. Yeah. His was a gigantic OC Twilight fic, with vampires so superpowered that they were ridiculous even for THOSE books.
I gave up on trying to convince him that this "older than the oldest" character of his was not, in fact, a believable character.
Jiminy jillikers, there's guys who LIKE Edward Cullen?! Not even the guy who played him could stand him...