Suppose I'd better chime in... by
Neshomeh
on 2010-12-10 17:37:00 UTC
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I'm a bit late, I guess, but oh well. Just wanna say that I'm with the folks who think you're overreacting, since I don't recall anyone picking on you recently, so I have no idea where this came from. Anyway, considering that I gave you Permission in the first place and have worked with you since, I obviously thought it was worth the time. Agent Chliever has a slightly sick brand of humor that may not appeal to everyone, but I enjoy(ed) him, and I note that other people feel the same way. As for Rilwen's point, I would've thought that was covered by whatever it was cutting him off from the Warp, and therefore a nonissue.
The only thing I ever had a problem with was the Eponine thing, mainly because it made certain departments look bad, not necessarily because it couldn't be done. It could easily have been fixed.
As for "stealing" ideas... the truth is, everyone does it. Nothing is completely original--it's all based on our experiences, so familiar things can't help but slip in. You're familiar with TV Tropes--you know how concepts get used and reused, subverted, inverted, etc. The trick is just to combine these things in new ways with enough of our own personalities to make them appear new. It's all about slight of hand. Originality is all a matter of style, which I happen to think you have. It's a little dark and a little twisted, but not moreso than it is goofy and fun, and I thought it worked.
So, that's my $0.02. Maybe as much as $0.05. Anyway, since you've already made up your mind, you can just take it as a vote of confidence for whatever you do next. And I'm still available to beta, should you wish it and have the patience to put up with me. {= )
~Neshomeh
I put up my stuff on Candidates for Deletion. by
Chliever
on 2010-12-10 16:17:00 UTC
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http://ppc.wikia.com/wiki/Categorytalk:Candidatesfor_deletion
Please do delete them. I don't even need to finish the last Starjeffry mission.
Self Esteem. by
Aster Corbett
on 2010-12-10 14:12:00 UTC
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This is going to be incredibly jerkish and callous for me to say, but Cheliver... It feels to me that you have some kind of self esteem problem here. If nobody is actively hating on your work, then nobody probably hates it. It feels like this is your own self-esteem making you think that you aren't good enough to be around us.
I'm new here myself. But if there's any impression, there is NOBODY around who isn't worthy to at least hang out here. Even writers of Mary Sues, if they have an open mind and aren't afraid to swallow their pride and improve.
You have two options here, in my mind. You can wail in despair, feel worthless, knock over your block tower and go home. Or you can look at your block tower, see the structural problems in it, and then perform renovations... which I am sure anybody here would be happy to support you in doing if you feel it has to be done.
You won't get anything done by deleting everything and then waiting for the day you feel as if you're 'good enough' to be here. As if we're some kind of holier-than-thou snobbery society. You were approved, so base quality must be at least reasonable.
Dude. We can help if you want help. We're here to be chums. Leaving because you feel bad about yourself isn't going to solve your problems if your perception is 'I'm not talented enough.' You won't suddenly become more talented. But if you stay and improve, you might eventually see yourself as better than you do now.
(OK, GIANT JERK MOMENT over.)
Goodbye then by
Rilwen Shadowflame
on 2010-12-10 08:17:00 UTC
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Reckon you could delete your Great Unclean One on the way out? Or at least, you know, downgrade it into a lesser kind of daemon that isn't a fragment of a bloody Chaos God? And therefore doesn't have the risk of "oh, he died? Oh NO, Nurgle now has that fragment back and knows about HQ!"?
Well, I'm sorry you feel you have to leave by
PitViperOfDoom
on 2010-12-10 05:45:00 UTC
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And I do hope you come back. I enjoyed your missions, including the ones other people criticized. And as to that Nurglish Daemon thing, I say that if a were-penguin Borg Time Lord is acceptable, a hulking mound of disease should be as well.
But anyway, I do encourage you to stick around, if nothing else, to try to improve your writing abilities, seeing as you've lost faith in them. What better place to get better than a writing message board?
You can stick around without writing missions by
Charles DoDo
on 2010-12-09 20:06:00 UTC
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Allow me to add my voice to the chorus of those saying you need not leave. Even if you just stick around and read.
I have never written a mission, nor do I have any intent to do so at this time. I enjoy reading snark, am not so good at writing it. (That and I'd spend way to much time looking up obscure bits of canon to make sure I've got it right!)
Also, that only way to get better at something is by doing it. You're aware of the need to improve, which puts you ahead of a lot of people.
Additionally my very nature makes some people uncomfortable. It's something unavoidable at times, so don't let it worry you too much.
Another reason... by
Chliever
on 2010-12-09 18:10:00 UTC
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I've had a sudden attack of morality. I realized that killing Sues because they're Sues, even though they're going to rend apart all existence, makes me uncomfortable. Maybe someday when I'm feeling sufficiently sociopathic, I'll come back.
Say, would you all like to hear what my overarching plot would've been (and might still be if I come back) or would you want to remain unspoiled in case of my return. It sounded like it was going to conflict with kgarrett's overarching plot, anyway.
Well, Goodbye then! by
TheLowtide
on 2010-12-09 15:26:00 UTC
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If you really feel like you're not cut out for the PPC right now, I honestly won't stop you, but I feel like it's a bit of a waste. Honestly, from reading your missions I don't really agree with you on that front, but it's your own personal assessment that counts, I guess.
However, I will say this; Writers are thieves, each and every single one of them. Writers see an idea they like, latch onto it, twist it and turn it around a bit to fit what they like, and run away with their stolen ideas as fast as they can make themselves go. Sure, outright plagiarism is most definitely a bad thing, but it doesn't take much to fix that if you catch it, and those little twists to things usually used to fix said plagerism make big differences. For instance, that decommissioning scene of yours from your introduction? You took an idea, changed it a bit, and made it yours, and it was all well and good.
Basically, what I'm trying to say is that A) you're improving, which is only a good thing, B) you aren't really doing anything the rest of us already aren't, and C) if you're willing to fix what little damage you did in the past, then all will be forgiven. So really, I at least feel that you don't really need to go unless you truly feel that you aren't cut out for this place, and if you say you do then I'll disagree. Anyways, I'm looking forward to your next mission!
Bye... by
Silikat
on 2010-12-09 15:19:00 UTC
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Don't feel you have to leave! Even if you don't write missions, I mean, I don't and I still stay here. You say you need time to polish, well you can so that staying here as much as you could by leaving.
Still, if you feel you have to go, farewell.
Then This Is Goodbye Then.... by
OpinionedAngel
on 2010-12-09 14:18:00 UTC
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I really liked your missions and characters... but if this is what you feel you have to do... then go ahead.
Who knows? Maybe we'll see you here again some day...
Aw, sorry to see you go! by
doctorlit
on 2010-12-09 11:20:00 UTC
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For what it's worth, your missions have been some of my favorites, and I find Agent Chliever to be really funny! I'm looking forward to the starjeffrey wrap-up.
I hope you'll still hang around, even if you take a break from writing for a while. See you again soon, I hope!
Farewell! by
WikiMaster
on 2010-12-09 09:31:00 UTC
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I can't really think of anything more.
Oh, hush. by
Sedri
on 2010-12-09 08:27:00 UTC
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Please, if you really want to leave, do so, but don't go because you feel you're unwelcome or not good enough. There are always rough patches in communities. If you need time to polish, by all means, take it, but why does that mean you have to leave? Half the point of this community is to help each other become better writers - we can hardly do that if you shy away.
...That said, sorry if I come across as lashing out. I don't mean to. But you sound a bit like my little brother when he's being unreasonable, and I suppose I'm probably reacting to that as much as to your actual words. If you really do want to leave, or are simply bored here, then by all means do so, but please make sure that is the reason, and the only reason. I'd hate to think we drive people away.
Re: Preemptive goodbye by
Xanthia B.
on 2010-12-09 02:37:00 UTC
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I joined the Board only earlier this year, and I've been drifting around for some time now. I don't think that we've actually introduced ourselves to each other; but I do read your posts, and I regret that we haven't truly 'met'.
I do hope you'll return.
再見!Until we meet again!
Xanthia B.