Bondbirds aren't quite daemons.

Questions regarding Permission by Eclectus on 2010-07-25 16:34:00 UTC Reply

I recently got Permission. Unfortunately, it happened while I was away, and the thread has since been buried (though it's still on the first page).

The PGs brought up some good points, though, especially including some Suvian tendencies in my Agents. Both of them wound up more speshul than I would have liked, and I'd like to do some polishing.

Since this site seems to lack an editing function, and since I already have Permission I don't really want to repost, where should I do this editing? On the Wiki, or what?

To save making a new thread by Simon on 2010-07-25 19:52:00 UTC Reply

I've also got a couple of questions:

1. Can I make my new sample a piece based on killing a nonexistant badfic and recruiting from it?

2. Could an agent be a former Bit-Character? I see lots of Former Sues, but never a former Bit Character.

3. I've got a few skeletal concepts, I'd like some feedback on which you'd like to see evolve into fully fleshed out characters:

Imperial Guardsman:
Honest Emperor-fearing citizen
Dark Heresy Character
Lines about leveling up?
Uses IG equipment and the crit table

Ash:
Wilden
D&D
4th Wall Breaker
Writing a book on Sue-types (Suedex)
Being my character ingame, I'm thinking about him being very confused about the nature of the world. He is me, I'm the Author, therefore is he the Author by extension?

Conjoiner (Revelation Space Sequence):
Detailed summary about Conjoiners can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FactionsinRevelation_Space#Conjoiners
Arrogant, believes her own tech is superior
Has the CAD in her head as an implant (causes some tension the tech dept (the actual name escapes me))
Scathingly sarcastic

Malifuax Harvester
Found a useful way to recharge his Soulstones
Coldly logical
There's no summary of these guys online, so I'll sum up what's known about them here. They get a small boxout section in the Malifaux (http://wyrd-games.net/) rulebook explaning that they kill to recharge Soulstones, which are the source of magic in this setting.
This one was harvesting when the stone turned a strange 'urple colour. Enter PPC.

If the answer to 1. is "yes" I'm thinking of making either the Harvester or the Guardsman the newbie.

Rawrlawb. by JulyFlame on 2010-07-25 21:18:00 UTC Reply

1) This has changed, but at one point the standard was linking to fic or some other story you've written that wasn't PPC instead of specially writing a piece for the PPC.

2) Yeah! They can! And there are plenty of former bit-character Agents out there. One example is Ilraen. He's an Andalite agent in DIC, one of Neshomeh's. He was a bit in the fic he was rescued from before he came to the PPC.

3) Again, there's a general standard where one of the agents in a pair is the author stand-in. Beyond that, I have nothing much to say.

Re: Rawrlawb. by Simon on 2010-07-25 22:02:00 UTC Reply

Thanks for all that. I'll be away for the next week or so, so I'll work on something then.

No need to repost by IndeMaat on 2010-07-25 16:53:00 UTC Reply

The idea behind posting agent bios is that you have some idea what you are going to write, and that we have some idea that you know what makes a character not a Sue.

We don't need to know every single detail about your agents. At least not through a bio. Like with real people, characters' perspective on life can change due to the things that happen to them. There is no need to post a new bio if there is a change in a character's circumstances, like your knife thowing agent decides to become a gun slinger because they kept poking themselves in the leg.

That is interesting information for a mission/interlude of course, and should most definitely go into the agent's bio on the wiki. On the board there is not much use for it once you have gotten permission.

Congrats on that, by the way.

Thank you! by Eclectus on 2010-07-25 17:15:00 UTC Reply

Both for the help and the congratulations. ^.^

That was sort of what I was thinking, but I wanted to make sure.

Oh. And while I'm on the topic... by Eclectus on 2010-07-25 18:27:00 UTC Reply

I'm having trouble with my Valdemaran agent's bondbird. Would the bondbird be allowed on missions, or not on the grounds of it being a CAF? I'm trying to avoid turning her into a CAF, but my only real option is to increase the bird's intelligence and make her into a full character. It's hard, considering bondbirds were practically designed to be CAFs.

If it's anything like a daemon... by Neshomeh on 2010-07-25 19:51:00 UTC Reply

We've had one agent from His Dark Materials, Agent Crebaina, and she has a daemon. It had to go along because daemons can't be separated from their people anymore than you could leave your soul in the RC. I don't recall quite how she handled it, but you can look and see.

~Neshomeh

Bondbirds aren't quite daemons. by Eclectus on 2010-07-25 20:30:00 UTC Reply

They do have a psychic link with their bondmate, although they can separate. "Can" being the operative word; generally, bondbirds stay with their bondmate unless it's absolutely required for them to be elsewhere. In the Valdemar canon, they're used for scouting and hunting, as well as being combat allies (the average bondbird is about half again to three times as large as its natural counterpart).

If you know Soul Eater, a comparison would be a meister and a weapon while they're synchronizing--except that the weapon is about as intelligent as a five-year-old. (CAF issues. I prefer to raise the bar on the intelligence level so they can be actual characters.)

Pets. by JulyFlame on 2010-07-25 19:11:00 UTC Reply

Well, they couldn't exactly take the bird on a mission since it's 1) not a mission and 2) not canonical in most places.

Therefore, they either leave it in the RC, or disguise the bird as well as a normal one.

That was my idea. by Eclectus on 2010-07-25 21:02:00 UTC Reply

The mission I'm working on is in HP, so as it is now, they disguise the bird as an owl. I just want to know if they'd be allowed to bring it in the first place.

I don't see why not. by JulyFlame on 2010-07-25 21:08:00 UTC Reply

Also, there's a difference between 'allowed' and 'can I write this'. After all, hardly any PPC agents follow all of the rules.