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General goodfic location and one badfic in particular by Miah on 2010-06-14 23:52:00 UTC Reply

I was cruising around looking for a Mary Sue to kill in my new fandom of Sherlock Holmes 2009. The vast majority of fics for the movie--even considering the open invitation to all slashers given in the movie there is an almost total absence of bad slash--and especially for the books are exceptionally well written. Even when they have strange premises that would normally be handled in the worst possible ways, it is hard to find any charges. So in general a source of goodfic would be the Sherlock Holmes sections of the pit.

However, I found this story: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4306702/1/WorldGuardians3theInbetween

I don't know quite what to make of it. The author took the time to write a summary pertaining to Sherlock Holmes, to list the characters involved as being from Sherlock Holmes, and then proceeded to post chapters with which I can discern no possible link to Sherlock Holmes.

In fact, it seems very much like the story is based on some other fandom. Okay, so I finally realized that with a 3 in the title there must be more of these around. I checked the other stories with the same characters, and I found the annoying origin of the Sue here: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2757381/1/worldGuardiansthe_warrior

It is a badly handled mangling of the Star Wars prequels era continuum that has now been shared over to Sherlock Holmes. For a multi-story Sue is it typical to go after each of their stories, or does once suffice to kill them entirely? I am kind of leaning toward, if I kill her in the Holmes story that she would still be messing up Star Wars, because of her other stories, but I am sure this has been dealt with before.

The Holmes story is apparently not complete. The others are all much longer, and like I said there is no actual mention of anything at all relating to Holmes. Any advice for how to handle a story that never even gets around to mentioning the continuum in question?

badfic by Miah on 2010-06-16 18:18:00 UTC Reply

I posted the Holmes story under Claimed badfic on the wiki, and the Star Wars stories under Unclaimed badfic. I left a note with them that I will be happy to lend my agents to a joint killing of them all at once. I've never done a collaboration before, so if any of the people who have stated an interest in this has I will defer to your experience on how to handle it.
As for the third one... by Wide Eyed Idealist on 2010-06-15 20:05:00 UTC Reply

Maybe waiting would work? You wouldn't run into a lot of crimes against canon until the canon shows up. You can charge for not tagging a crossover, though. I should think.

Also, I don't suppose you'd care to mention any specific Holmes 2009 fics for those of us too lazy-arsed to look on our own?

goodfic by Miah on 2010-06-16 18:14:00 UTC Reply

I am going to plug an author here. Westron Wynde: http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1507793/

I haven't read everything by this author yet. The stories tend to be at least novella length, so it takes a while, but everything I have read so far is above excellent.

I have been particularly impressed with her series about a young Holmes' early career:
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4311633/1/TheCuriousCaseofthePrestidigitatorsPython

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4477368/1/TheMysteryoftheTankervilleLeopard

<a href="http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4903645/1/TheAbominableAffairoftheCharmingChiromancer">http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4903645/1/TheAbominableAffairoftheCharmingChiromancer (I am still reading this one)

<a href="http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5466355/1/TheParticularProblemofPosternPrison">http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5466355/1/TheParticularProblemofPosternPrison (My favorite. Yes, I read them out of order. This was the first Holmes fanfic I read. If this author ever published this, through self publishing or whatever, I would totally pay for a copy of it. Actually possible in the fandom, as it is based on a public domain work.)

And by some others:
<a href="http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5826683/1/TheCaseoftheBakerStreetFlatMate">http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5826683/1/TheCaseoftheBakerStreetFlatMate More a series of snippets than a single story

<a href="http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5288863/1/ThePugilisttheDetectiveandtheDoctor">http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5288863/1/ThePugilisttheDetectiveandtheDoctor A little sappy at the end, but still well written

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4997638/1/Mistake I like this author, too.

<a href="http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4830785/1/WatsonsWoes">http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4830785/1/Watsons_Woes

Okay, that is probably enough for one post.

Thank you so much! by Wide Eyed Idealist on 2010-06-16 20:02:00 UTC Reply

Also: Whoa. That's a lot .

You're welcome by Miah on 2010-06-17 06:51:00 UTC Reply

There is a surprising quantity of goodfic in the movie section and the book section. A lot of times I will see a summary that anywhere else on the pit is guaranteed to be a poorly written Sue with a terrible plot, and even if it turns out to not be an idea I care too much about, the writing is in actual English, the plot holds water--overall if not goodfic then at least non-PPCable fic.

I don't really understand it. Sure, the characters involved are much smarter than average, but that hasn't stopped people from writing badly in Bones and House. The books are old enough to maybe earn a miss from a lot of fanbrats, but the movie had two very fine looking men, who gave off enough slashy vibes to set any fangirl to drooling, and even there the overall quality of the writing is high. Of course there are a few that are badly done, but the proportion is almost reversed from most fandoms.

It really has gotten my curiosity up about how this fandom has managed to attract a more highly skilled group of writers.

A multi-part mission in different fandoms could be fun. by doctorlit on 2010-06-15 01:09:00 UTC Reply

It would be like your own prime time mini-series special.

Re: A multi-part mission in different fandoms could be fun. by Miah on 2010-06-15 01:14:00 UTC Reply

I would have to find some help for the Star Wars stuff. My geekery only extends to the original movies and select books that come after the original movies. This deals with the prequels. I haven't even seen the 3rd one yet. *Ducks in geek!shame*

Re: A multi-part mission in different fandoms could be fun. by Elorie on 2010-06-15 17:42:00 UTC Reply

I could help, as well. I have seen all movies, and I have read quite a few books.
Hey, you could claim Geek!Pride by Elcalion on 2010-06-15 02:02:00 UTC Reply

for not having seen the prequels and not diluting your appreciation of the Original Trilogy.

I'd be happy to help out on a multi-agent, multi-fandom mission. ESAS has a couple of Star Wars agents who would love to set canon to rights.

Cool by Miah on 2010-06-15 02:18:00 UTC Reply

That would be good. Most of the offenses happen in the Star Wars verse. Even though the Holmes one was labeled as "3" it was either the 4th or 5th in the series.

Would this be something to make one large mission to kill her several times within the same mission, or take each one separately?

I was planning on sending my new agents, David Kelok and Unger on this mission. Being illiterate, Unger has developed a fondness for a certain 2009 movie.

Aw, the third prequel was the good one! by doctorlit on 2010-06-15 01:57:00 UTC Reply

Well, if it's just the prequels you're unfamiliar with, I might be able to help. I've seen them multiple times, although I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of Star Wars.

You have my Blaster... by Simon on 2010-06-15 11:21:00 UTC Reply

I don't mind helping either. In particular for Ep I. I didn't see the others.
And could we add "Not using the Original Trilogy" to the list of subjective charges?
I liked all three. by WikiMaster on 2010-06-15 03:01:00 UTC Reply

But the third one was the best.

Right. When I said good one, I meant best one. (nm) by doctorlit on 2010-06-15 04:02:00 UTC Reply

As to multiple stories by Eclectus on 2010-06-15 01:00:00 UTC Reply

I believe there's a way to kill a 'Sue with Suequels (sorry, couldn't resist the pun) once and have her be dead for good. I don't know much about Sherlock Holmes, though--I read Hound of the Baskervilles and I know he's got an arch-nemesis named Moriarty--so I can't help you there.