Subject: Re: OH NO THEY DIDN'T!!!
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Posted on: 2010-02-07 22:55:00 UTC
I agree that it's odd. I would have bet on Spock and Kirk being the two involved.
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Badfic: a new genre? by
on 2010-02-06 21:21:00 UTC
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I know NCIS is a small fandom overall, but it has had an invasion of a particularly obnoxious type of badfic. I looked on the wiki to see if this has an entry, and it doesn't. I'm not sure which department this would appeal to, as most of the stories of this type are stated as being non-sexual, and most do not involve original characters. Just the canon characters twisted nearly beyond recognition. This has absolutely no basis, not even a thin, tenuous shred of basis, in canon.
Basically, they all revolve around very thin or non-existent plots that are there only to serve the purpose of having one of the characters, usually Gibbs, spank one of the other characters, usually either Tony or Abby. I didn't realize that this seems to be a problem fairly specific to NCIS until I did a word search and "spanking" comes up 212 times for NCIS, out of 499 hits with the remaining hits spread over 70 other categories.
So is anyone interested in taking down a Suethor who focuses on non-sexual spanking of adults? The main author of these has written 77 stories, and even started 2 series of stories just to continue inflicting this junk on the fandom. There are two other main authors with 45 and 35 stories apiece, although some of their stories have been inflicted on other fandoms.
I'm afraid that with these Suethors branching out into other fandoms that this could become as popular as mpreg. It already has mpreg (21 hits) beat by a long shot at NCIS.
Here's an example by the most prolific of these authors.
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4203431/1/Evasive_Manoeuvres
I really did try to closely read the whole thing, but the urge to spork out my eyes if I kept it up was too strong, and the self preservation instinct kicked in causing me to skim the last half. Anybody got extra bleeprin? -
Re: Badfic: a new genre? by
on 2010-04-15 06:45:00 UTC
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Oh, I am so glad that someone else hates them too! And "non sexual" - maybe for the character, but from some of the descriptions of glowing red buttocks methinks the author is getting off on it!
I think that it's a way for people with limited abilities and imagination to devise a plot for a hurt/comfort fic. Character A does something wrong. Character B (Gibbs) spanks them. Hugs all round. It's a ready made plot device: no intelligence or imagination required. I call them "Here's one I made earlier" or "Just add spanking". -
Lord of the Rings by
on 2010-02-16 04:05:00 UTC
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http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2867106/1/Little_Brothers
The hobbits need protecting in this story. This one has more sexual innuendo than some of the others I ran into, but with so many Lord of the Rings fans here I thought I'd share this one. -
What. The. F--- by
on 2010-02-18 01:40:00 UTC
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*cue incoherent string of rage*
Okay, so I was confused and offended at the idea before, but stupid me, I actually went and READ this one because it's LotR. Now I'd really like to slap somebody around. And not in any kind of "cute" hurt/comfort way, either. *folds arms and smolders*
Did you notice how MANY freaking stories that person has written? It's insane!
Argh.
It must be about power. Some people get off on power, and that's what it has to be, because why else would anyone want to write a story just to demean characters who are otherwise mature, honorable, respectable, brave, and, most importantly, ADULT beings? Not to mention reducing other, just as honorable adults to a state where they enjoy treating the former like children.
It's not cute, no matter what the reviewers think. It's twisted and degrading to everyone involved.
I might have to sic Nume and Ilraen on this. It's not remotely their department, but they're the ones most likely to be as offended about it as I am. {= P
ARGH.
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OH NOES!!!1! D8 by
on 2010-02-07 20:06:00 UTC
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I hope it won't happen to Star Trek as well... I think Spock will be the first one featured. I don't know on which side, though.
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Too late by
on 2010-02-07 20:43:00 UTC
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http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5111853/2/DrMcCoyFriendandGuardianofaWaywardCaptain
Although some sort of unstated magic has given Kirk a 14 year old body. He spends part of the story acting somewhat normal, and then the rest acting about 4 with the reactions of the other characters in line with a mental & physical age of 4. I sort of think the author forgot what age he/she wrote in the first place. Still the stated age was physically 14, mentally the same age as in the movie. Given the age of some of the characters in the movie, like Chekov being only 17, yet old enough to be mostly through with training, I have to conclude that 14 is old enough to be in Star Fleet, at least in some cases. If you are old enough to be training for your career then you are old enough to be treated as and act like an adult, so, to me, other than quality of writing, this fic is the same as the NCIS one I posted. -
OH NO THEY DIDN'T!!! by
on 2010-02-07 21:41:00 UTC
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Surprisingly, Spock is not involved.
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Re: OH NO THEY DIDN'T!!! by
on 2010-02-07 22:55:00 UTC
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I agree that it's odd. I would have bet on Spock and Kirk being the two involved.
- Not to mention this. by on 2010-02-14 20:36:00 UTC Reply
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Spock and Kirk? Have at. by
on 2010-02-14 20:32:00 UTC
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Here: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5193432/1/TheReminder. Spock spanks Kirk and McCoy on Pike's behalf because of what they did in the movie.
There's also a spankfic with Chekov being spanked for some petty reason. Both fics are set in the new universe.
There's also a community for spankfic. <a href="http://www.fanfiction.net/community/MultiFandomCorporalPunishmentArchives/55490/">http://www.fanfiction.net/community/MultiFandomCorporalPunishment_Archives/55490/ -
These people have issues (nm) by
on 2010-02-14 22:24:00 UTC
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Yes, they do. by
on 2010-02-14 22:47:00 UTC
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I'll launch my Agents into this mess, I think.
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I think Bad Slash and Bad Het could probably deal with it. by
on 2010-02-07 02:45:00 UTC
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The characters may not be having sex, but I can't imagine any scenario in which someone would write this WITHOUT intending it to be fetish material.
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I agree by
on 2010-02-07 03:10:00 UTC
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Bad Het was my first thought. I haven't read the fic itself yet, but to me consensual spanking is little if not sexual. Just because they're not actively having sex doesn't mean it's not sexual. Perhaps the authors should look up the meaning of BDSM? (Again, I haven't read it yet, so I'm shooting in the dark here, but even so...)
Odd that it's just NCIS, though. You'd think it would be more popular.
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And now that I've read it by
on 2010-02-07 03:16:00 UTC
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I'm even more repulsed. Not so much by the story, which was disturbed and almost certainly out of character but tolerable, but by the reviews. -shudders-
Is it just me, or would actual officers be punished for physically abusing their underlings? That can't be legal.
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Officers and Assault of Coworkers/Employees by
on 2010-02-07 05:24:00 UTC
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There are pretty strong prohibitions on fraternization in the Navy, arguably stronger ones than in some of the other service branches. These cover not only strictly sexual conduct between enlisted and officer individuals, but any overly familiar conduct that do not respect the relevant ranks, pay grades, or specific relationships and disrupt or discredit individuals. Other relevant regulations would include a pretty decent variety of stuff, starting at reduced pay for months and moving up to a bad conduct discharge and some jail time. There are always exceptions and cases where no one reports the matter, but it's not something you'd consider a safe action.
It'd actually be pretty funny to list out the various parts of the UCMJ these individuals are breaking, although as I said, I'm not familiar enough with the canon to say if it'd be OOC enough to be a charge.
I can actually think of some nonsexual explanations, but they're honestly a little more disturbing than the sexual ones. Spanking fetishism is at least fairly passe as compared to some of the psychological causes of most types of obsessions that involve human interaction.
Given the Flower's policy of throwing Bad Het at Bad Slashers, it seems like they'd toss it at whatever department is best equipped for the matter, Bad Slash seems like the best bet. It's certainly not something you'd want the DMS handling, there'd be dead canons everywhere. -
canon behavior by
on 2010-02-07 08:14:00 UTC
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NCIS special agents aren't in the Navy. They are often ex-Navy or Marines though. Gibbs is a former Marine Sergeant. Gibbs does not talk much, in fact in that story I linked he said more than he would normally in 3-4 full episodes. He is intensely loyal to his team. When they were split up, and Tony was actually sent to be an agent afloat (where he was completely miserable), Gibbs fought very hard to have him returned to the team. So, him threatening to send Tony to be an agent afloat is very uncanon. He also does not have the authority to do that. He could kick Tony off his team, but not determine where he went next.
This office where they are supposed to be doing this is a huge room divided by cubicle barriers into team groups. It is never fully empty of agents, even at night. It is video monitored by guards as well. So not only would these two men have to know about this and neither say anything, but any and all agents who were present at the time, the security guards, and probably the technicians in the MTAC would all have to be keeping quiet, too. And on the topic of agents not saying anything, where are the other two team members? If they just finished at an outside location then McGee and Ziva should have been in the elevator with them.
Tony is overtly a bit of a class clown, but he purposefully uses that to distract others into underestimating him. He is the primary choice for undercover missions, and spent an entire season working a special undercover mission for the Director without his team being able to catch him at it. If he was standing facing this General he was supposed to have insulted, it would be uncanon for the insult to have come out of his mouth.
Gibbs response to some kind of screw up would be along the lines of "Fix it. Now!" or "Get your head on straight, or get out." Maybe a glare and then a walk away. Gibbs is not the fatherly teacher type portrayed in the story. The one time he started being kind of fatherly nice to everyone, Tony poked at him (verbally) until he started acting like himself. That was when they had an team member shot and killed by a sniper while she was standing right next to them. It took something like that to shake Gibbs into not acting like his normal self, but note that Tony managed to contain his reaction even in that situation.
Tony would not cry. He does not act like a naughty 8 year old. He also hates hospitals and pain meds, so unless something was broken he would not have agreed to go to the ER and definitely would not have taken the meds. He came back to work either 2 or 3 weeks early after having the pneumonic plague. He doesn't whine about serious stuff. A paper cut-yeah he plays for sympathy. Something serious-no. He's actually only shown real fear and dread once in 7 seasons, and that was when they thought they were trapped on a ship with some kind of plague. He panicked for about 2 minutes that he would catch it and had already used up his 'beat the plague' card.
That's just the 'story' surrounding the actual act. I don't even know how to begin to describe how anathema that is to those characters. Gibbs would never do something like that and Tony would never accept it.
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Re: Badfic: a new genre? by
on 2010-02-07 01:15:00 UTC
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Even though they say "nonsexual" I really can't help but inagine the author is SOME kind of pervert. I find it really, really creepy that someone would look at the characters on that show, and think, "I want to imagine them spanking each other."
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Re: Badfic: a new genre? by
on 2010-02-07 01:37:00 UTC
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One of the author bios of the people writing this stuff between the adult canon characters of NCIS requested Star Wars fanfic of a nonscarred Darth Vader meeting and spanking Luke in the age range of 8-14. This guy also claimed to work with small children in real life. Now that is scary.
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Scariest thing I ever did hear. (nm) by
on 2010-02-07 04:37:00 UTC
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Eurgh. Sounds like bad by
on 2010-02-06 22:47:00 UTC
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...If you feel like gouging out your eyes from that, you'll absolutely hate some of the stuff I can find...
*Wikipedias what NCIS is*
What the heck? Who in ANY MIND, right or wrong, would write such absolute garbage?! I don't know much about the show, having just wikipedia'd it, but if someone writes something like those stories for one of the things I like, I might agree with you that this just might become a plague of sorts.
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Re: Eurgh. Sounds like bad by
on 2010-02-07 00:45:00 UTC
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It is the total abuse of the characters to do this to them that gets me. The only thing they have left in common with the canon is the name and the job title.