Subject: Re: Wait...
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Posted on: 2009-03-14 17:26:00 UTC
That'd be the long and the short of it, yeah. We were just having fun discussing how to kill a character with canon invincibility.
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Oh GODS... it's the smutfic from hell by
on 2009-03-13 01:54:00 UTC
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This psychopath's fics do to Happy Tree Friends what That Series did to Redwall!
http://flippellifan123.deviantart.com/gallery/
*curls up and twitches* This is why a lot of people don't like us Flippy fans. Because of crap like this...
I'm hoping to make this my agents' first or second mission. -
On killing a Sue that can't die... by
on 2009-03-13 18:47:00 UTC
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How about finding a way to place them in a comalike state?
(Like what happened to God in Dogma.) -
Or use Logic and Canon to remove that particular power (nm) by
on 2009-03-13 22:42:00 UTC
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Shove them into a star/black hole. (nm) by
on 2009-03-13 21:10:00 UTC
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... brain go boom. by
on 2009-03-13 02:22:00 UTC
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How the heck does one do a mission in the Happy Tree Friends universe? You can't kill the things, I don't know if their author-wraiths share their invulnerability ...
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Wait... by
on 2009-03-13 07:19:00 UTC
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When the Author-wraith is exorcised, it just dissipates, doesn't it?
Another option would be to kill Flippy... After all, HTF characters just come back later on, completely fine. Kinda like rebooting your computer when it's frozen, I guess. -
Re: Wait... by
on 2009-03-13 11:38:00 UTC
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I would like to imagine you do it by taking them to a fate outside of their universe. It's definitely not unheard of-- my mind recalls directly the famous Redneck Trees Death of those two mooks from the Ferahgo installment of That Series, for one.
So, if they're taken beyond the constantly-resetting surroundings of their universe, a HTF Sue should stop being impossible to kill. -
Re: Wait... by
on 2009-03-14 01:08:00 UTC
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But the thing is, only canon characters are involved. Doesn't that just mean I have to exorcise the Author-wraith?
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Re: Wait... by
on 2009-03-14 17:26:00 UTC
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That'd be the long and the short of it, yeah. We were just having fun discussing how to kill a character with canon invincibility.
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Re: Wait... by
on 2009-03-14 21:51:00 UTC
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Yeah, I guess that's true.
And you guys are probably right that, once out of the canon world, the invincibility would be pretty much gone. Maybe...
But would it work both ways, I wonder? If an agent or a Sue from a different universe is killed in the Happy Tree Friends universe, would they come back, too?
Also, is there an established Mini for Happy Tree Friends? I was thinking, if there isn't, maybe a Mini-Idol or a Mini-Whistle. -
Problem with that... by
on 2009-03-18 19:55:00 UTC
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Is that Agents aren't allowed to take the target out of their home continuum. For example, Jay and Acacia being chewed out for taking an LOTR Sue (if I recall) out of the LOTR-verse.
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Re: Problem with that... by
on 2009-03-19 00:37:00 UTC
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Really? I thought Agents used other fandoms to kill the Sue in especially creative, violent ways. Didn't agents used to use Great Cthulhu for that purpose?
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Used you, but you're not supposed to. by
on 2009-03-19 01:22:00 UTC
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Technically, you can kill the Sue however you want. Usually I just shoot them, for example, similar to how TOS did. However, you're supposed to kill them in the fic/continuum they're from. Body disposal is a sort of "anything goes" (like feeding them to Cthulhu), but they're not supposed to leave the canon.
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Ah, poor Raketooth ... *snigger* by
on 2009-03-13 14:51:00 UTC
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Even if they keep their invulnerability, you could drop them into one of the Holders Series entries. That way, they get killed over and over and over again for all eternity.
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Re: Ah, poor Raketooth ... *snigger* by
on 2009-03-13 16:02:00 UTC
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Gotta be careful with that one, though-- you can only trust universes to handle things on their own to a certain extent. Case In Point: what happened when Jay and Acacia left a LotR Elf Sue to be discovered by the Discworld Elves, assuming the natural course associated with the Disc's Elves would occur (it didn't).
Still, I hardly disagree with that method, since so very many of them offer such wide varieties of death. Just gotta Do The Research first to make sure said death is guaranteed early on. -
Actually I think it did ... by
on 2009-03-13 16:36:00 UTC
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The elves just took their time about it, so when the Flowers scanned, the Sue showed up as still alive.
True. Too much risk of it simply leaving them alive but in pain forever, and Sues being Sues there's too much chance of them escaping. Also need to make sure the agents don't go in to watch it first-hand because if the Holder sees them, they probably have to pass its test to get out, and they'd probably rather fail the test than face the Flowers after having brought an Object into HQ. Though if they went to see the Bride of the Seeker, they could get rid of the Object that way, because if they pass her test but aren't the Chosen, she gives them the option to get rid of the Object and forget all about the Holders. Could work with that. -
Re: Actually I think it did ... by
on 2009-03-13 16:56:00 UTC
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To be frank, though, you probably don't have to see the effects. Given the nature of most of the Holders, you can probably HEAR them, from considerable distance.
And remember, self-resetting canon. As long as you don't actually run one of the Holder tests to completion and get your hands on one of the items, all the Agent has to do is bail out of the canon back to HQ and it'll eventually reset itself, given the style of writing. And provided they never actually ask to see a Holder, just have the Mary Sue do it, they'll never get snared. One potential Chosen at a time, no matter how hopelessly doomed.
(And I like to imagine that the Flowers have some kind of arrangement with the Bride of the Seeker for getting rid of those items Agents inadvertently DO bring back to HQ. After making a few public examples, it hasn't happened for a while, but the agreement stands.) -
Can you portal in and out of a Holder's course, though? by
on 2009-03-13 16:59:00 UTC
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They give the impression of not having set co-ordinates, so I don't know if PPC portal tech would be able to deal with them, and knowing the Holders they're probably set so you can't leave except either when you've finished the trial or at the set bail-out points some of the less cruel ones have.
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Open field surgery? (nm) by
on 2009-03-13 05:56:00 UTC
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Re: ... brain go boom. by
on 2009-03-13 02:44:00 UTC
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if it's the LAST thing I do... I will find a way.
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Re: ... brain go boom. by
on 2009-03-13 17:19:00 UTC
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Stick them in a Sinning Tree from Yu Yu Hakusho?