I think you're all right

Subject: I think you're all right
Author: IndeMaat
Posted on: 2008-09-22 09:56:00 UTC

As Rilwen said, if it's a Stu replacing a canon character you can kill them. The proper course of action would also have been to first locate the canon character before killing the replacement.

I think there's a few stories out there where agents kill the replacement character. I'm about to write one.

Your agents may still have to file a report on why they did not report on the whereabouts of Gerron in the first place.

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HELP! I think I've killed a canon character. by Sedri on 2008-09-22 07:59:00 UTC Reply

*is very, very red* In my very first PPC mission, Agents Sedri and Iza killed a Gary Stu named Geron who was playing matchmaker for one major and one minor Star Trek: Voyager canon characters. I did my research! I ran searches for the name and searched my memory (as well as my DVDs) for a canonical "Geron". There wasn't one.

Guess what? There IS a Gerron. I just dicovered him - here - while browsing. He fits the badfic description well enough that I'm sure he was meant to be the same character, though this canon is "reticent to the point of rudeness" while the 'Stu' was Mr Happy Innocence.

... I still killed him. Meep.

I'm sincerely hoping you guys will tell me that because the Stu was constantly misspelled, he wasn't actually the canon character, but... *squeaks* The Flowers scare me.

(Also, because I don't want to double-post: I've been trying to find out more about the shipping war between Harry/Hermione fans and... whomever they were against. I heard it got pretty bad, but I don't know the details. Can anyone help me out?)

Killing Canon by Kippur on 2008-09-26 06:41:00 UTC Reply

You could also do an exorcism.

You think I should rewrite my mission? by Sedri on 2008-09-27 00:14:00 UTC Reply

I could, of course, but as I've written missions since then, it seems a bit... hypocritical, considering the nature of the PPC.

I've rewritten a mission once by IndeMaat on 2008-09-27 17:57:00 UTC Reply

I don't think the PPC can or should claim that it is beyond making mistakes. I thought we were about pointing out mistakes so they can be fixed. I guess that should also go for the mistakes we make ourselves.

I meant in terms of continuity by Sedri on 2008-09-27 23:16:00 UTC Reply

Partially because we all build off each other and changing things is confusing, but also because if I - and therefore, my agents - have made a mistake, they/we should have to face up to it rather than go back and erase it.

Hmm. I'll have to think about it.

Some H/Hr shippers seem to have snapped... by Lily Winterwood on 2008-09-25 23:12:00 UTC Reply

It looks that way to me. Personally, I ship H/Hr, but not to the extent that I'd boycott the book if they didn't get together.

(Although I did bitch about it for a while back then.)

Pfft. Everyone knows the true ship is Harry/Dobby.. by pigeonarmy on 2008-09-26 04:01:00 UTC Reply

Followed closely by Movie!Hermione/Me.

Dude. Srsly. The only true canon ship in HP is... by The Trojanhorse on 2008-09-28 08:23:00 UTC Reply

Remus/Sirius. Forget those kids who run around in the foreground, the UST says it all ...
You crack me up. by Lily Winterwood on 2008-09-26 04:31:00 UTC Reply

If that's so, then the true ship of the multiverse must be...Agent Suicide/Me. And then we'd have problems.
*whacks with newspaper* Down, boy! (nm) by JulyFlame on 2008-09-26 04:14:00 UTC Reply

Well, I dunno about the Star Trek... by Artic Blade on 2008-09-22 16:44:00 UTC Reply

But I can help slightly with the HP. Apparently before the release of HPDH, there was a petition going around for J.K Rowling to pair Harry with Hermione, and enforcing this by threatening to boycot (sp?) the book if she did not go to their whims.
Even more amusing, after the seventh book was finally published, a second petition went around demanding that Rowling REWRITE the entire Book, with Harry and Hermione getting together. Around the same time, a third petition went around, demanding that the 7th book should be withdrawn and instead of Rowling publishing it, a Fanfic writer who supported the Harry/Hermione pairing, write it instead.
I was rather amused at that...

And it's *that* kind of thing ... by The Trojanhorse on 2008-09-22 23:40:00 UTC Reply

... that makes people think that all ficcers are delusional, mad, live in their parents basements, are perverts/paedophiles, have dangerous obsessions and will quite likely snap and kill people if they aren't humoured.

Honestly. It's. A. Work. Of. Fiction. The Earth will not cease rotating because Harry Potter doesn't marry Hermione Granger. Gah.

Polyamory could solve so many fictional problems. by Laburnum on 2008-09-24 16:25:00 UTC Reply

Harry Potter and Pirates of the Caribbean would benefit so much if more fans were open-minded to the idea of a full-cast orgy, don't you think?

I'm so with you on that point by The Trojanhorse on 2008-09-24 22:26:00 UTC Reply

It would probably help with the constant, overarching, extremely irritating sexual tension in POTC. Just give in and have an orgy, and that'll be sorted and we can get on with the pillaging, right?

...It's possible I'm oversimplifying matters here.
Wy do you think that my standard answer... by Ansela on 2008-09-24 17:56:00 UTC Reply

to a love triangle is 'Why all three of them together of course'? Unless two members of the triangle are related to each other (and not the Hitachiin twins from Ouran).

Sadly it can't solve the problem in a fic I'm planning. by Laburnum on 2008-09-24 19:34:00 UTC Reply

One of the participants is a gay guy and another is a girl, and I think he'd object to sharing the poor guy in the middle of the triangle with her even if he (the first guy) doesn't have to be involved with her personally. Shame.

That does tend to complicate matters. by Ansela on 2008-09-24 22:49:00 UTC Reply

It helps that most of my OT3s have canon evidence for them (if you squint and turn your head just right, yes like that, see that tiny little speck there). That and I can't decide which guy should get the girl (or girl should get the guy) or if I should just slash em and be done with it.

~~Yes, I am insane.~~

I'll go with option number 2. by Oozaru Angel on 2008-09-25 06:35:00 UTC Reply

My answer for every love triangle with two guys fighting over a girl. Slash the guys and let the girl watch. :D

Well, okay, that only works most of the time in CLAMP manga. But still, it's way more fun than a huge hate fest.

But it IS exactly what I was after. by Sedri on 2008-09-23 04:31:00 UTC Reply

I don't suppose any of you know where I can find online evidence of that petition, do you? Otherwise I'll just have to say "I've been told that..." in my essay.

Cheers!

Yup, got the link here. by Artic Blade on 2008-09-23 05:45:00 UTC Reply

ANd to date, it's up to 8,940 signatures. Again, it make me laugh.
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/ultimate_betrayal

That's the one that says they'll 'Ban' the book if she doesn't put HP and HG together.

How do they propose to do that? by Laburnum on 2008-09-23 22:21:00 UTC Reply

Or are they just further demonstrating illiteracy by using the word "ban" instead of "boycott"?

Probably, yes. What fools. (nm) by Sedri on 2008-09-24 00:15:00 UTC Reply

I think you're all right by IndeMaat on 2008-09-22 09:56:00 UTC Reply

As Rilwen said, if it's a Stu replacing a canon character you can kill them. The proper course of action would also have been to first locate the canon character before killing the replacement.

I think there's a few stories out there where agents kill the replacement character. I'm about to write one.

Your agents may still have to file a report on why they did not report on the whereabouts of Gerron in the first place.

*BIG sigh of relief* Ah, good. by Sedri on 2008-09-23 04:32:00 UTC Reply

I'll work it into the beginning of the next mission, maybe. The report, I mean. Thanks!

Likely a Replacement!Stu, and those can be killed. by Rilwen Shadowflame on 2008-09-22 08:53:00 UTC Reply

Don't think you killed a canon.

Also, the 'Harmonians' being the main cause, try here, which has a list of 'wanks' where nutty H/Hr shippers were involved.

*grumbles* I hadn't finished typing... by Sedri on 2008-09-22 08:58:00 UTC Reply

Silly mouse button. Silly me for letting it hover over "post reply" when I wasn't done.

'course, the only thing I had left to say was to breathe a sigh of relief about the Stu. Cheers again.
Well, that answers my H/Hr question by Sedri on 2008-09-22 08:57:00 UTC Reply

Thanks, Ril.

As to the Star Trek thing, I can't help... by lynxihez on 2008-09-22 08:26:00 UTC Reply

but I can for the H/Hr wars. Basically, JKR was interviewed by two fansite owners - Melissa and Emerson, who run The LEaky Cauldron and Mugglenet respectively - and she was asked a question about shippers. JKR said something about 'anvil sized hints' that it was gonna be Ron/Hermione rather than Harry/Hermione. On top of that, Emerson called the H/Hr shippers 'delusional' and the H/Hr fans went batshit.

I mean, the sane ones didn't. Most H/Hr shippers, I'm sure, got a bit annoyed, but didn't start writing letters to JKR and boycotting the series. But the batshit ones did, and that's why everyone thinks ALL H/Hr shippers are batshit. The main focus of the war was between H/Hr 'Harmonian' shippers and R/Hr shippers. And, yeah. So Harmonian shippers got a bad press while the R/Hr shippers came out scot free. Fandom_Wank will have reams on it, but I'm not sure of the links, and since their main purpoe is to make fun of everything, I don;t know how much you'lll find.

Wow, long post is long. Hope I could help!

I remember that interview by Sedri on 2008-09-22 08:29:00 UTC Reply

I remember thinking Emerson was being a bit rude. Ouchie. And I didn't realise I'd only been hearing about the Harmonians, but now that you say it, it's certainly true - I wasn't even sure who their opponants were.

Poor Hermione. *sigh* I'll check fandom_wank, then. What I'm mostly lookking for, actually, is examples of how insane shipping wars can get.

Cheers!