Crossover?

Subject: Crossover?
Author: Adagio
Posted on: 2008-07-02 18:32:00 UTC

I love crossovers! Er, I mean, tricky situation.

The first problem's going to be fusing the fandoms. Don't know anything about Kingdom Hearts other than the basic idea, but as far as I know that particular canon comes with its own ready-made explaination for how world-travelling works. You'll still have to work in how the very different magical systems overlap, of course, but that should be doable. I know it's possible, seeing as my List of Awesome Fics includes a very well done Star Wars/Rurouni Kenshin crossover-fusion and a Discworld/Silmarillion crossover, and if someone can make those work you can make this work.

The other main problem I can think of is the Trump Syndrome. When two canons collide, it's too easy to make one entirely pwn the other. This is a bad thing. Somehow you'll have to make the High School Musical canon/characters as powerful and effective as the Buffy canon/characters, if not in the same way. Good luck with that. You said that the Crest Holders aren't going to interfere with the successes and failures of the Harry Potter group, which is a good start.

Can't really do more than point out the obvious, since most ideas rely on the writing style to make it or break. Which means that I'll be expecting you to plug when it's up. ~~Not because I need something for my crossover addiction, I swear!~~

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A huge favour to ask of anyone... by Artic Blade on 2008-07-02 12:27:00 UTC Reply

For roughly two years now, I've been planning a story, well, specifically, a fanfic. The problem is, it's a crossover. And I'm not meaning one or two fandoms, I'm meaning several. The list is as follows:

Kingdom Hearts
Pokemon
Charmed
Buffy
Digimon
Final Fantasy
Legend of Zelda
Harry Potter
High School Musical
Naruto
Tamora Pierce Tortallan Universe
Tamora Pierce Emelan Universe
City of Heroes

I know, it's a very long list, but hopefully, it'll make sense. In a short question, I just want to know, since we have the pinnacle of Fanfic Writers here, with people saying what should and shouldn't be allowed, is the following plot feasible:

Name: Worlds Apart
Set after Kingdom Hearts, Worlds Apart is the follow-up to Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories. The main plot behind Kingdom Hearts is the invasion of evil creatures called Heartless, which are born out of the darkness in people's heart. When they are created, they then go after the Hearts of Worlds. Once they've found a World's Heart, that World disappears, its inhabitants taken by the darkness and only those with very strong Hearts can make it to other worlds.

In Worlds Apart, it turns out the original invasion was just a preliminary wave, which required only the power of the Keyblade, a mythical weapon which can kill Heartless and lock the World Hearts, to turn back. The 12 Gods of the Universe decide it is time to bring forward their own main line of defense; the Crest Holders (Original idea is from Digimon)

Essentially, each of the Crest Holders represents one, pure personality trait of the human psyche. And along with being the Crest Holder of whichever trait they represent, Courage, Friendship, Love, etc, they also gain special weapons which are also capable of killing the Heartless. Since King Mickey and Sora closed and sealed off Kingdom Hearts in the first game, only the power of the Crest Holders is capable of bringing it back, by use of the World Savers on the five, primary worlds, which were the first five worlds to be created in that Universe. The Primary Worlds are the Pokemon World, Digimon World, Hyrule, Spira and the Destiny Islands.
Now, originally, only 9 Crest Holders are Awakened through use of special trials. After realising they need further power to activate the World Savers, the Gods awaken a further 9, lesser Crest Holders.

And here's the parts I'm on shaky ground on, the worlds the Crest Holders venture to. In Kingdom Hearts, Sora, the main character, was capable of journeying to different worlds, such as Agrabah (Aladdin) or Neverland (Peter Pan). The worlds I've picked, however, are Hogwarts, East High, Emelan, Paragon City, Tortall and Naruto's world.

In Hogwarts, set during the seventh book, the Crest Holders stumble upon Harry, Hermione and Ron, who are in the wilds. Since they're new to their powers, nothing can really happen. After convincing the Golden Trio that they are also young wizards / witches on the run, the Crest Holders join Harry and the other two long enough to help find one of the other Horcruxes, which Harry destroys.
It's then that they come up with the plan to attain the other Horcruxes within Hogwarts, following the plot of HP7. One by one, the Crest Holders allow themselves to be captured, and are sent to Hogwarts. Due to their magical natures, they can see the castle, while their weapons are transformed into wands for the duration of their stay on the world.
When Harry eventually makes his way to Hogwarts, the Crest Holders take part in the Battle of Hogwarts, but primarily deal with the Dementors, who it seems can actually be vanquished by the powers of pure, good human emotions. They do not help Harry kill Voldemort, nor do they resurrect him, or try and convince him to go into the forest. They're too busy dealing with the Dementors. Plot follows the same line as HP7, with the Light winning, the near-total elmination of the Dementors and the Hogwarts Keyhole being sealed.

That's all I'll post for now. I just wanna know if that would get a thumbs up from the PPC, or a thumbs down. You cna ignore this, or give one word answers, but any help would be appreciated.

Oh, and the Crest Holders are as follows:
Crest Holder of Courage) Link, from Legend of Zelda
Crest Holder of Friendship) Sam, OC from the Pokemon World
Crest Holder of Love)Kairi, from Kingdom Hearts
Crest Holder of Power) Sora, from Kingdom Hearts
Crest Holder of Knowledge) Zelda, from Legend of Zelda
Crest Holder of Sincerity) Mai, OC from Charmed
Crest Holder of Determination) Tidus, from FFX
Crest Holder of Hope) Matt, OC from Charmed
Crest Holder of Kindness) Yuna, from FFX
Crest Holder of Trust) Nick, OC from the Pokemon World

Should be noted that all the OCs are my own characters. If anyone wants a character profile, or an example of what the character acts like, gimma a holler.

Anywho, this is only the first part of the story. Again, ignore this if you want, I just don't wanna step on the PPC's toes, and stick to the plots as much as I can.

Crossover? by Adagio on 2008-07-02 18:32:00 UTC Reply

I love crossovers! Er, I mean, tricky situation.

The first problem's going to be fusing the fandoms. Don't know anything about Kingdom Hearts other than the basic idea, but as far as I know that particular canon comes with its own ready-made explaination for how world-travelling works. You'll still have to work in how the very different magical systems overlap, of course, but that should be doable. I know it's possible, seeing as my List of Awesome Fics includes a very well done Star Wars/Rurouni Kenshin crossover-fusion and a Discworld/Silmarillion crossover, and if someone can make those work you can make this work.

The other main problem I can think of is the Trump Syndrome. When two canons collide, it's too easy to make one entirely pwn the other. This is a bad thing. Somehow you'll have to make the High School Musical canon/characters as powerful and effective as the Buffy canon/characters, if not in the same way. Good luck with that. You said that the Crest Holders aren't going to interfere with the successes and failures of the Harry Potter group, which is a good start.

Can't really do more than point out the obvious, since most ideas rely on the writing style to make it or break. Which means that I'll be expecting you to plug when it's up. ~~Not because I need something for my crossover addiction, I swear!~~

Now the long answer... by Artic Blade on 2008-07-03 03:31:00 UTC Reply

Okies, and I'm back.

I've hopefully already covered the fusing fandoms, with mostly using the Kingdom Hearts explanation, so that should be fine.
As for the magic, I've decided to combine many different groups, and seperate others. An explanation would be this: In the Pokemon World, a small part of the populace have Psychic Powers. If one of those people went to Hogwarts, they too would have magic,only because their overall 'Magic Well' has been tapped by the psychic powers, but can only be truly expressed with the wands and incantations. I guess I'm gonna be doing it on a World by World basis.

As for the Trump Syndrome, hopefully I have worked my way around that too. In battle, Buffy and co would win, but the HSM characters would hold their own in other areas. The HSM characters are actually protected against magic for the most part by their 'World's Magic', an invisible force that not only protects the inhabitants of East High, but also forces them, and the people who connect to it, to burst into song and dance in moments of extreme emotion. Whoever has the World's Magic behind them is incredibly powerful, as it is essentially the power of the world that they are using in that moment.
For the most part, the Crest Holders won't interfere with the events, but merely influence them. There will be a part in Worlds Apart where the Crest Holders become directly involved in a war effort, specifically Emelan, after the Four escape from Namorn, where the CH protect Emelan against the armies of Namorn by having their powers 'Woven' together by Sandry, and gain the powers of the other CH. As a result, they lose their humanity, and begin to act like Gods.

Other than that, I suppose it's all fine and good then. I'll list the specialised 'Crest Weapons' as well, the ones capable of harming the Heartless:

Courage) Master Sword (Legend of Zelda)
Friendship) Nirvana (FFX)
Love) Papal Gloves (Own invention)
Power) Keyblade, but otherwise works with symbol (KH)
Knowledge) Book of Shadows (Charmed)
Sincerity) Apheteros Arrows (Own invention)
Determination) Martial Arts ('Nuff said)
Hope) Faraday Shield (Own invention)
Kindness) Cyrus (Guns, FFX-2)
Trust) Bahk Nagn (Knuckle Dusters, FFX)
Gotcha covered by Artic Blade on 2008-07-02 23:36:00 UTC Reply

Well, since I'm about to head to school, I can't gve a long answer. But I will once I get home. Until then, here's a link to the chapters I've written already:
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4078281/1/Worlds_Apart

I should be back in a few hours. Until then, have fun!

*digs out a two-cent piece* by wingnut on 2008-07-02 15:45:00 UTC Reply

Post Chain of Memories? Is that post Chain of Memories, pre KHII, or post CoM and KHII? If it's the former, how're they going to be travelling between worlds? The impression I was left with was that it wouldn't really be possible to travel between the worlds after the door was sealed. Further, pre KHII, it'd seem both Sora and Kairi wouldn't really have been going anywhere.

Twelve Gods of the Universe? How does this fit with the known cosmology of the KH-verse?

Wouldn't Disney Castle be fairly important, too? Cornerstone of Light, Keybearer came from there…? (It may end up meaning nothing, but…)

How are the weapons specialised to destroy Heartless? I wouldn't be sure everyone we met up with in the games already knew and were prepared, and guest party members seemed to do all right. Fairly sure Beast only uses his claws, too.

I don't think I quite get what the problem is with the worlds you've chosen. Could you maybe explain that a little more?

Answering time by Artic Blade on 2008-07-02 23:31:00 UTC Reply

Post CoM, meaning that it starts where KHII should. Literally, it starts as Roxas ends, and where Sora is waking up.
Travel between the worlds isn't possible, because the World Walls have been reintroduced to the Universe. Within the story, I had to have the 12 Gods destroy those walls, in order to allow the Crest Holder of Friendship to have his world taken and to meet up with the other Crest Holders, as the Crest Holder of Friendship is also capable of 'Forging' bridges between the worlds using the power of frienship. The World Highways would only be created whenever he enters new worlds, however, and as such, they need to use a Gummi Ship to get to new worlds until the CH of Friendship comes into his powers.

Within Kingdom Hearts, there's the side of the Light, and the side of Darkness. There aren't any set Gods or Deities, unless you count the ones from Olympus Coliseum. Within Worlds Apart, they are Gods for that world, and have no power over others. The 12 Big Gods were the ones who originally created the Universe, as well as the various worlds.

I'm still toyingwith the idea of Disney Castle, so I'll get back to you.

The weapons are specialised in a similar way to the Keyblade. However, instead of using the direct power of the heart, each weapon uses the power of a pure emotion which has been elevated to become very dangerous to the Heartless. Again, in my story, it is set that no-one can harm the Heartless, unless the Keyblade or Crest Weapons are nearby, as power of the Keyblad e/ CW's spread to the weapons around them for a short time.

The problem is just the plots. I don't wanna be godmodding, or anything like that.

Anyways, thanks so much for your reply, it's helping me get things set down.

More thoughtsÂ… by wingnut on 2008-07-03 02:28:00 UTC Reply

Not saying that KHII doesn't have its problems, but… is it all tying together, or are the issues separate, or what?

Bringing the walls down? Can they target that specific world, or are other worlds likely to be exposed to an elevated risk of falling into Darkness? What'd be the likelihood they'd be restored?

See, the thing is that I'm a little suspicious of introduced deities and the like. I don't think there's really any evidence for or against, though.

Created the worlds? *had a vague impression that the KH-verse started off as just one world initially, but blow her down if she can figure how it works right now*

As far as the plots go, I'd suggest finding somewhere where they can offer assistance, but not overshadowing the people of that world- and, y'know, make sure the folks of that world know to get out of the way of any dragons that seem to be falling on top of them and that sort of thing. Their main focus would be getting rid of the Heartless, though, right?

What about the noticeability of a group of nine people, though?

Couple of livejournal communities that might be helpful, too: orgplotbunny does plotbunnies, and khbeta might offer some more feedback, as well.

Hmm... by Artic Blade on 2008-07-03 03:43:00 UTC Reply

For the most part, it's hopefully tying it together, and finishing it off.
When they bring the Walls down, they're destroying all the World Walls, unfortunately. It leaves all the Worlds open to Heartless invasions, but it allows the CH to travel quickly, thus increasing the chances order will be restored. After Kingdom Hearts opens, the Worlds Walls will be restored, but because the Crest Holder of Friendship, who creates bridges between the worlds, will know how to use his power and create pathways made of Light, as opposed to the Heartless who use pathways of Darkness, that will be fine.

For the most part, I'm actually using Deities who are known to people, at least, people who have played the respective video games. The Gods are:
Mew, Celebi and Jirachi (Pokemon)
Seraphimon, Ophanimon and Cherubimon (Digimon)
Bahamut, Shiva and Ifrit (Valefor and Ixion are Gods too, but the above three are the ones mostly seen in the story)
And Din, Nayru and Farore (Legend of Zelda)
There isn't much evidence for and against, yes. I'm introducing the Gods as a way of giving the Light a face, like the Darkness has theirs in the form of Xemnas and the like. The Crest Holders never directly interact with any of the Gods, the Gods are the ones who decide a lot of the big stuff in the story though.

I'm not sure about if the KH-Verse started as one world or not. There is a tale in KH1 about one world where the Darkness originated from, and such. In World Apart, the Pokemon World was the first World created, with the other worlds coming off of it. So, I suppose Worlds Apart does match up with the legend...Sorta. I'll need to clarfy that though.

Hopefully they won't overshadow, but rather enhance. I'm aiming for the CH to offer assistance when it's needed, but otherwise only deal with the Heartless or Crest-related issues. Most of the time they won't specify exactly how powerful they are, nor their titles, only that they have magic, or special abilities if they're accepted in that world.

The noticablity is gonna be a problem that they'll need to deal with as well. Since there are 10 of them (Nine Major Crest Holders and One Minor), it's a huge group. They'll learn to only send a few of themselves at a time onto a world though, unless the full number is needed. Otherwise, they'd stay on the Gummi Ship. If they can get away with all 10 being on the planet without notice, they will do it then.

And thanks, I'll check them out. More help is always great. And thanks again for your help.

The fayth? by wingnut on 2008-07-04 03:47:00 UTC Reply

I… thought those were made, for the most part? In FFX, at least- in other games it seems they're already known, and IV and VI both have another plane where Espers exist, though with V you could make an argument that summons can exist in their own right on the same plane as the party…

Er. Sorry, got sidetracked.

Any particular reason for choosing those summons?

*thought Xemnas was nothingness? Nobodies rejected by light and dark, state of indeterminacy?*

Glad to help.

Well, yes... by Artic Blade on 2008-07-04 04:12:00 UTC Reply

And no. The Fayth were 'Created' in a way. A thousand years ago in Spira, they had Summoners, which indicates there must have been previous Fayth to Summon before Ifrit, Bahamut and the like came along.
I'm explaining this in the story like this.

'A thousand years ago, when Sin was born, Lady Yunalesca, daughter of Yevon, was given new information to create special Fayth, more powerful than any ever seen before. The rituals demanded a human sacrifce, and when it was complete, it was not the sacrifice's soul that was bound to the Fayth Stone, but the spirit of a God. It was a special branch of magic that bound them, one of their own forging, which meant they could not escape the bonds. It was simple chance that Bahamut, Valefor, Shiva, Ixion and Ifrit were the ones bound, it could easily have been Mew or Ophanimon. The events that took place in FFX was a way to free them from their bonds to that planet; when Sin was destroyed, they would be set free."

And that's the story. After they were freed, each of the Gods left behind a small copy on the planet, just in case their form would ever be needed again. It was these forms, which were far weaker than the true ones, that were possessed by Shuyin and forced to fight Yuna and the Gullwings.

Yojimbo, Anima and the Magus Sisters are a different branch as well. Since they were created using the old way of creating a Fayth, they are not counted as Universal Gods, but rather, as minor ones specifically given the duty to protect Spira. They were also taken captive by Shuyin, because they did not have the power to repel him, being Minor Gods.
And that's pretty much it...

Organisation XIII are the sentient bad guys of the series. Because the Crests do not like nothingness, or voids, such as Dementors, they tend to make the Crest Holder lash out at the Nobody or Dementor, and destroy them. The Crest Holders will be manipulated like Sora was by Xemnas to unleash Kingdom Hearts and give the Organisation back their hearts.

And thanks for the help! Again, it does help to get my thoughts donw in stone, and reveal areas I might be lacking in.