Subject: Well...
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Posted on: 2014-07-09 05:20:00 UTC
Having had experience with trolls, there is a certain art form to it in some cases. In my opinion, those certain trolls are to be cherished, as they provide intellectual stimulation.
But to actually answer your question, it never does stop being trolling, but that doesn't mean it can't also be art.
You know the sort: "101 Days of Blueblood", "Cupcakes", "Pattycakes", and so on. The ones that basically read like a laundry list of war crimes.
Now, I'll admit that I'm only a "periperal" Brony, but what's the point? Perhaps more than that, why do they all come to MLP? Can't they get their jollies from AVATAR, or Star Trek, or Barney, or something...
Also, do you think these are ever worth commending, or even preserving? I for one am nigh impossible to squick or offend, so I for one find them more boring than anything else.
I remember Cupcakes and Pattycakes. I have Pattycakes on the Claimed Badfic list, as a matter of fact. Truly disturbing, in an admittedly entertaining way.
That's a good question. Maybe they target the MLP franchise because that's where nobody will expect to see it, because of its refreshing cutsie, innocent-ish nature. It's like hiding a bomb. Malicious intent meant for the enjoyment of the planter, and those others out there sick enough to enjoy them, such as myself.
I suppose they are worth commending, in my own opinion. I did some research into the Cupcakes Pinkie Pie, and discovered parallels to the notorious BTK Killer, Dennis Radar, and Ted Bundy. That in and of itself means that the author did some research, some very serious research. I like fan fiction, and regular fiction, for that matter, that has a basis in reality, like Cupcakes did. Now, I'll admit, the torture was nothing more than improbable blood porn, but my point still stands.
I don't know, he could have done research just to figure out how best to bother and disturb people... but then does it stop becoming trolling and start becoming art???
Having had experience with trolls, there is a certain art form to it in some cases. In my opinion, those certain trolls are to be cherished, as they provide intellectual stimulation.
But to actually answer your question, it never does stop being trolling, but that doesn't mean it can't also be art.
... at least around the PPC, that nobody would shed a tear if such 'fics were designated for repair missions. Correct?
Check the claimed badfic list. All three of the ones you mentioned are on there, so you'd have to wait. I don't know what Dark Brother's grace period is on getting permission. http://ppc.wikia.com/wiki/ClaimedBadfic#MyLittlePony:FriendshipIsMagic
But yeah, if you find any more shockfics, missions are probably one of the things that they actually want.
I think mini pancakes has been done?
I've only read two of his fics sofar, and it's really hard to tell if he's trolling or just doesn't see the world through the same lens as other bronies. Warning, this is his only non-sexual fic and it is a nazi not-bad fic. http://www.fimfiction.net/story/714/whats-good-for-the-goosestep
I'm just going to sit back and watch because I have this weird tendency to step on nerves and I don't want to add any more fuel to this particular fire. Please don't let it get out of hand.
Good Space Gods, that is pointless. It has nothing to add to the historical debate, or for that matter to the My Little Pony universe. The plot barely qualifies as such in the sense that things happen which are related to one another. It's not even really about My Little Pony in any serious sense: it could fit just as well (and by well I mean very, very badly) in any other universe. It has only one reason for existing- to offend as many people as possible... and it shows.
This is why I hate MLP shockfics. Not because they're offensive or poorly-written or often more than a little sick, although they are all three of those things, but because they are a complete and utter waste of space.
(You may quote me on that.)
Just, wow. I... wow. Words fail me. This is bad taste in extremis. That's... that's about as Glauronged up as those things get. The Nazis are not something to be taken lightly like that. It's way too soon. Way too soon.
Someone spork this? Please?
Huh, with the last survivor dead, it's too soon to glorify Hitler in the same manner as Vlad Dracul, but to have fics portraying the might-have-beens while emotions are still high? Offensive, but not without purpose. Keep the memory alive through all means and through all hearts.
I don't have any agents in mind that would be in position to spork this, even if I was passionate about it. One of my teams has a lapsed Jew and a MLP expert, but they're Despatch until they stop being a team.
Once, I had a story in mind... a time-traveler had turned Hitler into an artist, then another time-traveler had to force him to resume the timeline that we know to teach us the meaning of evil so we could stop a worse atrocity. I never thought of it deeply enough to think if he should hate it or grow to enjoy it.
... you're thinking of the relatively recent death of the last person to have fought in the First World War. Even then, though, there are people still alive who were children during it.
As to the rest of it... I'm not going to comment.
hS
The survivors - some of them, anyway - are very much alive. Including my grandmother. :/
This is one of the most massive "Dude, not funny" things I've ever seen.
I think it's got to do with the way guys kind of bash each other for not being tough enough. Like, if a guy dances ballet or bakes cookies, other guys (well, not all other guys, but the nasty sort) will pick on him for it because he's not manly enough or something.
Well, isn't this a lot of the same thing? Guys who like ponies are "betraying" the "man club", so other guys feel like punishing them by writing about the cute ponies getting tortured or raped or whatever. Or maybe they feel threatened by the fact that some guys like cute ponies, and feel like they have to write something like that just to "set things right" and prove they're Real Men in all the wrong ways.
Seriously, as the wiki article on MLP (FiM) states, "Going against the show's themes and tone in fanworks is considered a cardinal sin by some, and some folk [Troll] can't help but use that to provoke negative reactions in others."
Also, DAVD seems well equipped to handle this.
There's been a discussion on this before- something about how the more innocent something is, the more likely people are going to twist it in horrible ways to make it extremely wrong.
I think the reason why people don't target Barney is because nobody would read any fanfics for that. So there wouldn't be anyone to freak out. Most of those fics are more than likely trolls... I hope.
Rather... Well, if you've ever seen the documentary with John de Lance...
Bronies are a bizarre type of people that are misunderstood by outsiders.
People who like Star Trek or AVATAR don't subvert expectations as much, and they don't need the actors to stand up for the fans or talk to their parents. Barney doesn't have any fans that you'd want to show shock fic unless you were a monster.
I have a couple Nazi crossovers on my badfic list, but they're not old enough yet.
I know people always talk about females being oppressed by gender stereotypes, and that's true; women get this pressure to be gentle and nurturing and get married and get pregnant and not try to bash through the glass ceiling.
But guys get some of the same stuff. They're supposed to be independent and strong and stoic and stuff, and they're not supposed to like pink or frills or cute things.
Along comes a well-made children's show, and a few guys decide they like it. For them, it's an opportunity. Instead of having to toe the line and stick with the masculine stereotype, they can come out and say they like the cuteness and the warmth in this kid's show about ponies and friendship. And more and more of them start to get together and say, "Yeah. I can like what I like. I don't have to obey the man rules. In fact, I'm even more badass when I don't obey them."
So not only is it a good show on its own merits, but it also lets these guys express themselves in a way that's becoming more socially acceptable as more guys get into it.