Subject: So, why not use an existing badfic?
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Posted on: 2014-06-16 17:57:00 UTC
Still not getting what the point of this is. What does personally writing the badfic add to the process?
-Phobos
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the(intentionally)worst badfics ever by
on 2014-06-16 06:06:00 UTC
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okay, so, I've come up with a plan on how to do the proposed "worst badfic ever" idea. we make 5 fics, each named the worst xfic(eg:worst suefic) ever, and throw every demented, insane , canon violating, you get the point, Ideas we have into these fics, and then mission them. the only rule with whatever disgusting idea is used is that one still has to be able to make fun of it(we don't want to create another subjugation), so it can be missioned. "tropes" I'm looking for are:
thirty sue pileup(not literal,more like 10 will do)
extreme squick(for the worst smutfic ever,but not to subjugation levels.)
implausible pairings(self explanatory,only for the smutfic)
everyone OOC(this is still a fanfic,so we have to have canon characters,preferably at all character replacements)
extreme canon violations(try not to adhere to canon rules at all for this)
now,for the universe. for the suefic I'm thinking about using twilight as the base canon before having a sue(or sues) that travel across the universe corrupting everything with her aura of smooth.
so, what do you think? should we do this? it could possibly replace emergencies as large events,but if you don't like them, you can still do this. besides,writing missions or HQ shenanigans has to get boring eventually. -
Some ideas by
on 2014-06-16 13:31:00 UTC
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I don't know Twilight that well, I should probably learn.
Can one of the Sues be a unicorn that is also a vampire? Its coat will sparkle like diamonds in the sun, and a hematophagous unicorn would be very creepy.
I think that they should run into another continuum that is known for vampires, and cause those vampires to turn into Twilight vampires.
How well-known is anime!Hellsing? Anne Rice vampires would probably be happy at the change. I might not read Bram Stoker's Dracula, but there was a good movie made and I can look up Cliff Notes. -
My two cents by
on 2014-06-17 04:12:00 UTC
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I think that this fic should take a normally sweet female charcter, and make her into a horrible backstabbing bitch/ and or a sexually active girl who Our Sue makes a habit of slut shaming. Like those God awful House of Night books where then main hero bitches about every other female, except the ones that will answer to her every whim. Also make sure to let the audience know your charcter is gay by having him talk about it every 5 seconds. Look
I realllly hate House of Night, sorry for venting. -
Language, please. (nm) by
on 2014-06-17 04:36:00 UTC
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My apologies (nm) by
on 2014-06-19 04:38:00 UTC
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Regarding Dracula by
on 2014-06-16 19:07:00 UTC
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I love that book. You need to read it. Mina Harker is a badass; that is all.
Perhaps the imaginary fanbrat who wrote the fic has read "Dracula", but completely misunderstood it and believes it is a story of the tragic downfall of a noble vampire lord. Oh, and Renfield obviously loved Dracula at one point and has been driven mad grieving over his lost love, because every good badfic needs bad slash. -
Every bad slashfic by
on 2014-06-16 20:11:00 UTC
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Needs to use the phrase "man carrot." Or, you know, other insanely bad euphemisms. Though, slash isn't a prerequisite for awful euphemisms...
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I tend to refer to it as "his euphemism" (nm) by
on 2014-06-16 20:31:00 UTC
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other tropes needed by
on 2014-06-16 06:23:00 UTC
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1.Urple prose(everything needs to be overdescribed to a ridiculous extent)
2.dubious lube(this is a MUST for any bad smutfic)
3.trivialization(everything that can be trivialized,must be trivialized)
4.gratuitous rape(a corollary to the above,trivialized and excessively squicky rape scenes written in urple prose would do well to make the worst smutfic ever)
5.extremely overpowered sues(both heroic and villainous sues should be ridiculously overpowered,but not to the extent of invincibility) -
Dude, no. by
on 2014-06-16 13:46:00 UTC
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Gratuitous rape is never, ever, ever OK and never even close to being funny. Just... no. Trivialisation isn't OK, either. I'm sure I won't be OK with something parodying trivialisation of the Holocaust, for example, even if I'd have known in advance it's just a parody, because that's a damn serious subject. And it's not even something that happened to me; imagine how someone who went through, for example, child abuse, would react to a parody of trivialisation of child abuse.
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then let's not use trivialization or rape then (nm) by
on 2014-06-16 17:03:00 UTC
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I say we let Desdenelle set rules... by
on 2014-06-16 15:46:00 UTC
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There are some places we shouldn't go, so let's have some rules about stuff that we can't make fun of.
Should we be allowed outdated stuff, like what you might find in old Bugs Bunny cartoons? (Things like squinty-eyed Orientals or Negros acting submissive in hopes that they get humiliated instead of lynched.)
What about using straw teenagers who are still mad about what happened to their grandfathers instead of focusing on what they still don't have?
I was going to keep sex out of my fic anyway: use fanfiction's old rules that mature for violence is okay but not for lovescenes that couldn't be on daytime tv. -
Allow me to point you to the PPC Constitution. by
on 2014-06-16 16:32:00 UTC
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Specifically, Article 3:
3. Jokes about subjects such as rape, murder, abuse, bigotry and mental health issues will not be tolerated. These topics are considered to be Unfunny and 'it was just a joke!' will not be an accepted argument or excuse under any circumstances.
I will also point you to the proposed amended Articles 1 & 1.5 (which no-one has objected to):
1. Discrimination and persecution of any kind will not be tolerated, especially on the basis of sexism, racism, ableism, nationalism, homophobia, transphobia, or religion. We will not tolerate individual people or groups who intentionally oppress, persecute, abuse, other, use or otherwise attack others in any way, shape or form, for any reason.
1.5. This includes ‘joking’ about such subjects. If people are discriminated against or persecuted because of something, making jokes about it is Not Funny. Equally, jokes about rape, murder, abuse, and mental health issues are Not Funny - nor is anything which causes genuine suffering. ‘It was just a joke’ is not an excuse - it’s self-incrimination.
If you want to make a deliberately bad story, that's your decision. If you want to make a deliberately offensive story... don't. And reexamine your motivations.
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sorry by
on 2014-06-16 17:06:00 UTC
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we don't have to use trivialization or rape in this fic, but it has to evoke bad mental images for the agents involved.
that being said, what about everything else? -
It should actually be funny. by
on 2014-06-16 16:51:00 UTC
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Goes without saying, I suppose, that what you're going for is a parody fic that'll make the reader laugh.
A reader who's totally grossed out or traumatized--in real life, not in the pretend way you might be if you were writing an MST--won't be having fun. Which means, if you were to include trivialized rape, etc., you'd go against the point of writing a parody.
Trivializing rape and abuse is not-funny and I don't think it could really be made funny. There are some exceptions, technically: black humor (ex., M.A.S.H), ridiculing a scary and horrible thing by using humor (ex., The Producers), or in a context that's long-established as making fun of everything, appropriate or not (ex., South Park). All of those contexts acknowledge the horribleness of the subject matter to some extent.
What I think would be funniest, would be to write the parody in such a way that the reader can laugh at its badness--to evoke ridiculous mental images, to make the reader realize that absolutely impossible things are happening in the story. Bad spelling and grammar should be used for a reason--not just to make it look badly written, but to "accidentally" create images that'll make the reader spit their coffee onto their keyboard.
IMO, one allowance can be made for trivialized murder: If writing an over-the-top Battle!Sue, having them kill off an army of "bad guys", while implying that the author has absolutely no idea what that might involve and is just trying to make the Sue look insanely badass because s/he is better than any fighter EVAR, could probably be played for humor. But... it'd have to be done right to avoid looking like trivialized genocide, which is probably not to be touched unless you are also a good enough writer to make Hitler look deservedly ridiculous. -
this isn't meant to make people laugh by
on 2014-06-16 17:08:00 UTC
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it's meant to be bad,but still missionable. sorry if I didn't make that clear
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Why would you want to do that? by
on 2014-06-16 17:46:00 UTC
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What is the point of intentionally making more unfunny badfic? Do you believe we are running out of sporkable material? Looking at the unclaimed badfic list tells me that that isn't going to happen anytime soon. I just don't see the point.
Also, please use capital letters and proper punctuation. We are here for good writing, after all.
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Then let's make it funny by
on 2014-06-16 17:51:00 UTC
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Okay, so we disregard any of the rules about rape or trivialization. Then we make the most annoying and speshul team of sues,set them loose in the twilight continuum, and then have them travel the multiverse corrupting everything with their auras of smooth. At least, until the agents arrive and kill them all.
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There's a name for this, actually. by
on 2014-06-16 19:06:00 UTC
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Generally, creating intentionally terrible stories without any intentions of satire or parody is known as writing trollfic. Which we generally... don't do. Obviously, you can write whatever you want under your own name. But this doesn't really seem like anything the PPC is going to, or even should, get behind.
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we won't show this to anyone else by
on 2014-06-16 19:48:00 UTC
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It'll be internal-only. no-one else will know.
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That's not how things work here. by
on 2014-06-16 20:19:00 UTC
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Writing horrible, unfunny badfic and then spork it is not in the spirit of the PPC as it is... rather pointless, I guess. Remember, missions are a form of parody, sarcasm and also criticism towards genuinely terrible fanfics. But we really just want to have fun, and your idea... well, seems that is quite lacking in that regards.
It's not a matter of showing it to other people or not, it's a matter of it's not what we do or want to.
Ok, there are precedents for "fake" badfics. However, they were necessary to set up other, much bigger plots where finding a suitable badfic was pretty much impossible due to the other plots' necessities, and they usually are never written in full if even at all.
As we already explained to Dark Brother 16, leave the bigger stuff for when you have some experience with normal missions.
Besides, in the PPC we do everything at the light of the day. We aren't a secret conspirative group, we don't hide ourselves. Sure, we don't want to be too famous either, as we would be swarmed by flaming aouthors, but you can get what I mean. -
yeah,I think I'll get permission first. (nm) by
on 2014-06-16 20:21:00 UTC
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I'm beginning to regret being with you by
on 2014-06-16 18:03:00 UTC
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Suddenly I want to make a Goblinscomic-style fic. A Sue slays a random horde of evil creatures to prove her battle prowess, then the old women of their tribe come to perform burial rites. They sing a song-prayer, which will be straight translation because I suck at poetry. It will still be touching as they lament telling their daughters that they too are now widows.
Maybe I should just finish my Self-Insert-Authoress-Tripe story about how I dragged some Legacy of Kain characters into My Little Pony. -
So, why not use an existing badfic? by
on 2014-06-16 17:57:00 UTC
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Still not getting what the point of this is. What does personally writing the badfic add to the process?
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This exercise is just for fun by
on 2014-06-16 18:02:00 UTC
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no-one has to participate.
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Aren't we already doing PPC badfic? by
on 2014-06-16 19:05:00 UTC
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For fun, I mean. Isn't it a yearly event to write Jaycacia-style horribleness just to see who can write the most ridiculous Suefic?
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When do we do that? by
on 2014-06-17 04:15:00 UTC
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Sounds like fun.
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September, I think. (nm) by
on 2014-06-17 18:26:00 UTC
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This is a little different by
on 2014-06-16 19:17:00 UTC
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It involves the fic being sporked. and the only PPC characters are agents.