Subject: How did I not notice the mini-Boarder of myself?
Author:
Posted on: 2014-03-05 16:58:00 UTC
That's it; I'm not responding to this thread any more. It's obviously out to get me. I didn't even get the dropdown prompt to change the name back to my real one!
Come here, Outha. Join me. Be part of my power.
(reassimilates the mini-Boarder)
Ahh. There we go. I thought something had been a little off this morning.
After a bit of thought, I've decided I'll be going by Iximaz from now on. Also, I have a few questions:
1) How do you change your username on the Wiki?
2) When you recruit a 'Sue from a badfic, how long does it take for them to become reformed? Because I think I've found my Randa-replacement partner. :3
Admins can change userpage names, but not the user's name, apparently. Testing on my own page, it says (in bold red font):
"Warning: You are about to rename a user page. Please note that only the page title will be changed, and the user will not be renamed."
Which sounds like not very helpful towards what you were wanting. I'll still do it if you like, so it will at least display what you want in one place. Same for you, too, sonofheaven, if you want.
We might be able to delete the old userpages. If not, Iximas and sonofheaven can still create new ones. There's no limit on account creation.
~Neshomeh
For the second, the amount of time the treatments wood take and the effectiveness they have would depend on the individual Sue. Their original level of power and personality would have a lot to do with how well and how quickly they rehabilitate, and some just don't do as well working in the new setting as others. Some might not like having to be part of a team instead of taking the glory for themselves, some might be too tempted to use their powers during a mission, which would formerly have attracted the attention of the DIS or DIO but in the modern setting would still be dangerous and addictive, etcetera etcetera.
To give a few examples of reformed Sues from PPC history, Priyala was more or less just a human with unexplained telepathic powers in her home fic, so she contains her Sueishness easily, which is aided by the fact that she feels resentful for the damages that she did to her home canon in her original badfic and doesn't want to repeat those problems in her new environment. Meneltari, on the other hand, had both a larger amount of base power as the uncanonical and immortal daughter of Eru Ilúvatar himself, and had a much less mindful attitude toward keeping herself in check. Her last confirmed actions in the PPC involved accidentally causing most of HQ to lust after her and getting thrown into the Void as a consequence.
You'll want to aim somewhere between those, closer to the Priyala side than not, but the situation is very dependent on the character's personal disposition and background. Do you have any details decided on yet?
To help with Suvian recovery, there's a Sue Support Group that's intended to keep Sues from misusing their powers, as well as providing them with therapy and moral support. There's also a medication called Logicillin that, while initially created to ward off Suvian encroachment on Agents from infections like Suemonia and Vambiolaria, also helps Agents who started out as Sues keep their Suvian tendencies in check. I'm pretty sure the former would be made mandatory by Personnel for at least a short amount of time, and the latter probably wouldn't hurt, especially during the period during which the ex-Sue recruit is still adjusting.
Also, a question tangential to your name change: do you know about Bionicle? There was a species from there called the Skakdi, and Iximaz is a very Skakdi-esque name. It's got the hard consonants and long "a"s that they like. I'm not saying it sounds bad, before you take this the wrong way, it's just that the new name reminded me of them and it would be nice to see a fellow Bionicle fan here.
For some odd reason, I never was interested in Bionicle... probably because for the majority of my childhood, it was Harry Potter, Power Rangers, Pokemon, and Digimon. (That and the Bionicle creatures kind of scared me. ^_^') I might have to look into that, though.
And thanks for the information; Nyx, the 'Sue we have targeted, actually wasn't too bad and only barely tips the 'Sue level (she learned how to gallop on a horse within a few minutes despite never having seen a horse in her life before, was the only literate member of her barbarian tribe (in multiple languages, too!), was a better archer than Link, got Link to spend a quarter of his wallet on an OUTFIT, and has the whole shadow beast thing going for her. Oh, and her eyes are yellow.
I know that all seems like a lot, but if the author was a bit more careful with how she handled the story, it could have been really good. I wasn't too sure why Randa sent me the story until I read to the shopping spree. Then I got mad. But with a little bit of tweaking, I think Nyx-maybe-to-be-renamed-something-else would make a good agent. She's already got Sue archery under her belt, but that could be plausible since she belonged to a barbarian tribe, and of course some natural talent. The shadow beast form could make for some interesting missions if she can't control it, either.
Seriously, that's like the fourth or fifth one I know of! What is it about that name? Because, in greek mythology, that's the name for the personification of darkness and night. I suppose that works for, say, Nightmare Moon reborn, but not so much for an emo teenager with black hair and cuts herself. At least this Nyx has some weird shadow beast thing in her, so that might be excusable for the name, but I'm sorry, unless she has darkness powers, the name's silly.
Ooh, a lycanthrope, nice! I played with a lycanthropic agent for a little while. May find some use for her in some story later, though probably not PPC or fanfic related. While I'm not a fan of how most lycanthropes in the PPC are handled, should the uncontrollable beast nature of her actually be explored, it could be very interesting. I would say funny, but being forcibly transformed into a ravenous shadow beast is not funny, it's terrifying. That's not to say that terrifying is bad. It's not, and indeed, should be used more in the PPC. However, as long as it develops character, and funny moments can come out of it, then it's all for the better.
I think they use Nyx so much for those exact reasons you said. What better way to show the readers the Sue is a Speshul Snowflake than to give her a name that means the personification of night itself?
As for the whole shadow beast thing, I don't think she'd have problems actually controlling the wolf form (Link didn't in Twilight Princess- it was just a big shock when he woke up and was a wolf.); she'd just have trouble not fursploding. If that's even applicable to her situation. Which I am not sure of. I don't think Link fursploded. ...I really ought to try finishing Twilight Princess; I haven't played it since I was about twelve... almost five years should hopefully make a difference. But anyway, she's not an actual lycanthrope, so the shape changing isn't... uh, lycanthropic.
And about Link spending a quarter of his wallet on an outfit: it wasn't anything special. It was just fancy. >_
Anyone have any name suggestions? I'm thinking about Brooke, but if anyone can think of something more suitable to a Hylian mountain barbarian tribe, it would be much appreciated. ;)
Because those are two different things, and shadow beasts look nothing like wolves. Did the fic say "shadow beast"? Because if it did, it means one of the first two, more likely the former. Link turned into a wolf as a way for the Triforce of Courage to rationalize the mutagenic energies of the Twilight Veil. The shadow beasts are directly transformed into monsters by Zant's corruptive magic or transformed from people's spirits by other shadow beasts. The process is different, and Link's circumstances are more or less unique, since there are only three Triforce pieces and the Triforces of Power and Wisdom appeared to offer full immunity to the Twilight Veil's mutagen.
Well, the fic specifically said 'shadow beast', but she turns into a wolf like Link because she's Speshul. Sorry about the confusion; I haven't played Twilight Princess since I was twelve or so, and I never finished it in the first place. (Also, she's half Twili or some crap like that, if you wanted to know. I'm guessing you didn't, but meh.) Randa just sent me the fic; we haven't discussed it much. Pardon me...
RANDA! *storms off to find her*
I tried to find the original fic you were talking about after putting up that post, to get a better view of what the transformation entailed, and I have found four Twilight Princess-era Nyx-Sues so far without barely trying. One of them is queen of the Zoras despite being a shadow monster from another dimension, and another is half-Twili and banished from her home realm due to some gobbledegook involving invisible tattoos. I'm not going to search any longer. This is only going to hurt.
She's the half Twili. I just... Oy. The only reason I'm going to save her is because it could have been a good story if the author had put a little more effort into it.
Namely, her annoyingly tragic "the last survivor of my people" cliche, the fact that she is a crossbreed between two species that have never been even implied to be interfertile, the aforementioned invisible tattoos, or the fact that she is changed into a shadow beast but keeps an intact mind due to her "mixed blood".
In fact, the very possibility of a Twili and a Hylian(I can't find anything saying what her other half is, only that it was a female native of the world of light, but I'm going to assume it's Hylian because being part surface human isn't speshul enough and none of the other races more than faintly resemble Link. I guess she could be part Gerudo, but she'd probably have angsted about that because Ganondorf is a Gerudo and Sues tend to believe that morality is bloodborne) meeting for long enough to bear a child is preposterous enough, from a canonical standpoint. The Twilight Realm was intended as a prison plane from which no one would be able to escape without being released from the outside, ipso facto, no random Twili would be able to just wander into a Hylian village and mate with people. Zant was only able to get out by using a mix of Twilight Realm magic and the Triforce of Power energies that Ganondorf gave him, which was a combination that the Light Spirits who imprisoned the Twili most likely wouldn't have anticipated. Nyx's briefly touched-upon backstory implies that her father just left somehow, sired her, went into exile on Snowpeak, and was killed by the barbarians that later raise his daughter because he "didn't belong here". That raises so many questions, not only on the hows and whys of the escape, but why the barbarians didn't kill Nyx as an abomination, or why she doesn't feel anything about the fact that her biological father was killed by her surrogate family for being a foreigner.
That's a very implausible backstory, to sum up, and I made my judgement too quickly because I didn't know about it. If it were me, I'd say that she seems to have done too much damage to canon to be recruited, in combination of the little distortions and the larger matter of the way she arranged the circumstances of her history.
Since it's not me, I would recommend two things: one, play Twilight Princess all the way through before sporking this, or at least the rest of the way through from where you left off. It's not good to go into a mission for the Protectors of the Plot Continuum with only partial knowledge of the plot that's being protected. Two: if you do decide to recruit her despite everything, the Flowers are going to be very angry with you. Recruiting the central Sue of a mission has only happened twice, as far as I know(a few Agents were recruited as Sues offscreen, but even then it only raises the number to about six or so), and both times the Sue wasn't nearly as bad as the story around her. In this case, the Sue is everything bad about the story, since without her, it would just be a fanfic that stays near canon in just about every fashion, with the only significant deviation being that Link can talk. You will need to address this. On the plus side, this means that her planned eventual assignment to your RC could be the Flowers deciding that even though she went through Agent training without maiming or Sueifying anyone, she still needed to be supervised, and the best people to do so were those who thought recruiting her would be a good idea. On the minus side, your Agents are going to be getting horrible, horrible missions into perpetuity as punishment for their transgressions(probably out of the Circle), not to mention that they would never be in what passes for the Flowers' good graces again if they recruit that level of Sue on their first mission together before proving that they know what they're doing. At the very least, it would take a while and they'd need to prove themselves competent to their superiors.
She might also need to settle into one of her two ancestral species, both as a way of rejecting her Suvian heritage and because, again, those species were never meant to mix, but I'm not sure how you'd go about accomplishing that.
By the way, if it says that she's a "shadow beast" in-story, she's going to look like a shadow beast, especially since she doesn't seem to have full description of herself in beast mode, just that the form's furry and about the size of Wolf Link. That's the way the Word World works. It takes the Words that comprise it very literally.
Wow, no wonder Randa was P.O'd about this one. Yeesh. That is-
*wince*
That is really bad. Okay. *puts on Dalek hat*
EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!
That's it; I'm not responding to this thread any more. It's obviously out to get me. I didn't even get the dropdown prompt to change the name back to my real one!
Come here, Outha. Join me. Be part of my power.
(reassimilates the mini-Boarder)
Ahh. There we go. I thought something had been a little off this morning.
Well, we already have a relatively prominent Nyx, but that Nyx could be given a last name and fit in fine afterward as long as said surname wasn't "Nightingale", in case you end up deciding not to rename her entirely.
Keep in mind that there is plenty of canonical precedent for Link spending lots of money on clothes. The resistant tunics in Ocarina of Time cost 200 Rupees each, which is a full Adult's Wallet, and the Magic Armor in Twilight Princess cost... let me check the wiki for the exact number... 598. Still, those have magical superpowers that protect Link from harm, so it makes sense why they'd cost so much. It would be bad if the clothes that cost so much money both did nothing and made Link look like a moron, though.
You're right; when it's considered from an in-universe context, those traits aren't all that Suvian aside from the ones that make her a multilingual werebeast, since Link has shown that horse riding and archery can be learned within an incredibly short time span in the Zelda universe. There are theories that Link is capable of expertly using any weapon or tool he touches thanks to the latent power of the Triforce of Courage, but that wouldn't apply to games where he doesn't get the Triforce of Courage until most of the way through, and even if it was the case, it still doesn't explain his insta-equestrian skills. At least Twilight Princess explained those by saying he was a rancher before becoming a hero. Back on topic, I agree with you that she's salvageable, especially if the werebeast transformations become a problem that she has to deal with instead of the minor and little-thought-of annoyance that similar transformations have been treated as in spin-offs past.
At least we have Pokémon and Digimon in common for our childhood fandoms. I'm personally as guilty for never really getting into Power Rangers, but I distinctly remember watching some of Wild Force and owning a couple of Dino Thunder toys, so it wasn't a total disconnect. I've been getting some remedial Power Ranger-ology from Linkara's History of Power Rangers videos, to try and catch up on the pop culture phenomenon.
Hey, have you tried that Digimon game where you go onto the online Digimon catalogue, hit the Random page option, then whatever Digimon that comes up is treated as one set stage of your Digimon partner and you look through its list of pre-evolutions and Digivolved forms to find the best/your favorite ones to build your entire Digivolution chain from Baby to Mega? Or, Fresh 1 to Ultimate, as the catalogue calls them, because apparently it only uses the original Japanese terms for everything. It's quite engrossing, or at least it was for me. I got BigMamemon, and there are a surprising number of branching paths that can lead up to an Ultimate(well, "Perfect" in the catalogue's terms).
Baby 1 was the catalogue's name for the first stage of a Digimon, and Fresh is the official English name. Bluh. I could maybe understand if the two terms had entirely switched places in my sentence, but that was just sloppy. Go to your room, Past Me.
Unfortunately, you cannot change your username on the wiki. (Believe me, I've tried). However, you can change your signature, which is the "name" that shows up when you use four tildes at the end of a post. Go to "Preferences," then under "Signature," change the signature to what you want it to be. That way, on your profile, it will say [Username] aka [signature]. It's not ideal, but it's a start.
As for who long it takes a 'Sue to be reformed...you'll have to ask someone who's been here a lot longer than I am.
BTW: What's the story behind "Iximaz"?
I guess it started on Runescape, back when people could actually, you know, choose their usernames. Then I used it for my Minecraft name and it's just one of those things that you tend to stick with. So... not much of a story at all. ^_^
And thanks for the information; I'll change that ASAP.
