I'm a bit confused.

Subject: I'm a bit confused.
Author: Neshomeh
Posted on: 2014-02-26 16:41:00 UTC

I can't always tell when you're talking from an in-universe perspective and when you're telling us what you, the real person writing the post, actually believe. For instance, "the authors usually find a way to sort of kidnap a creature or character from one of two of my stories" sounds like you-the-real-person believe the real-people fanfic authors are really stealing your ideas. Is that the case?

Also:

For the PPC, the same rules apply, but in different ways. For example, in the Imaginations Collide series, you all manifest your powers through your gadgets. Those of you with other abilities choose to manifest your powers in that way.

This sounds like the PPC does or will exist in your series. Just to be clear, if that's the case, then you DO need permission from each PPCer you want to involve, whether you're featuring their agents or their own online personas.

~Neshomeh

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Permissions for Coexistence by Dark Brother 16 on 2014-02-25 20:24:00 UTC Reply

Hello, everyone. I'm Dark Brother 16, and I have a little bit of a, let's say, "business proposition" to make.

I have been an author of Fanfiction for two years now, and have since become dissatisfied with the environment there at the website. I felt almost as if I was wasting my talent. So I began reviewing other people's work, providing constructive criticism where I could. Eventually, I found a Pokemon story called The Gratest Pokemon Master, which I believe is worse in some ways than the infamous My Immortal. (I recommend looking into it, by the way. It's a golden opportunity.)

I began giving my constructive criticism, and was promptly viciously attacked by the author (who I later realized was a troll). Eager to take advantage of the situation, I wrote a commentary on her story of my own (which to this day is not complete).

What does it involve? It involves me and some of the Original Characters (and the occasional canon character) from my own fanfiction stories who would help me go into the story and find something that the author of the work I am reviewing stole from me.

Furthermore, authors and other denizens on the Internet, such as YouTube users and Yahoo users, all possess special abilities while inside cyberspace. In Fanfiction, the basis of these powers, known as a Powerbase, lies in their stories and OC's. Bad fanfiction must be fixed, or the author will have to choose to concentrate power on keeping the story world together or let it die. And that is where the conflict in the series comes into play.

I have read your terms and conditions, and your Constitution, and considered joining, but decided instead to go ahead with my Imagnations Collide series, and have a series that is parallel to yours.

Anyone think I should do that? Who do I ask for permission for this? I already have many episodes planned. I have My Immortal, Cupcakes, Rose Potter, Melissa Picard, Half Life, Real Life Consequences, and even some Goodfics. I would prefer not to scrap this concept.

This must be looked in to... by Legacy on 2014-03-01 21:24:00 UTC Reply

Maybe we could try having some Agents team up with some Authors for the first time! Neat!

Re: This must be looked in to... by Dark Brother 16 on 2014-03-02 00:47:00 UTC Reply

We'll see. There's still a lot in development.

Oooh, this sounds like fun! by Cyba Zero on 2014-02-26 17:48:00 UTC Reply

You do realise that now you've mentioned this on our board, a lot of us are really interested, so you absolutely have to post a link when you're done. *Grins*

Also, would a character's powers be slightly different depending on where they manifested? For instance, if the same user used both Fanfiction and YouTube, or perhaps an MMO, the Board, game mods, forums etc., their abilities might be different in each place.

Also, am I correct in my analysis that each piece starts more MST-like, but becomes more mission-like once they go to fix the fic?

Re: Oooh, this sounds like fun! by Dark Brother 16 on 2014-02-26 18:03:00 UTC Reply

Once the series is up and running, I'll post a link, sure.

No, the difference in where powers manifest don't make much of a difference in what the powers are. The rules are about the same, the difference is that their power sources are different.

Yes, that is correct.

If you need permission at all, by doctorlit on 2014-02-26 04:57:00 UTC Reply

you certainly don't need it from us! The PPC was not the first set of "creative" reviewers of fanfiction, and it won't be the last. There's plenty of room in this boat!

Re: If you need permission at all, by Dark Brother 16 on 2014-02-26 05:04:00 UTC Reply

Great! Just making sure. The last thing I want to do is accidentally plagiarise someone else's work.

An interesting proposition. by World-Jumper on 2014-02-25 21:37:00 UTC Reply

I must admit, I am intrigued. However, I find myself confused as well. The seres seems unique to say the least, but some statements require some further clarification.

When you say, "[...] me and some of the Original Characters (and the occasional canon character) from my own fanfiction stories who would help me go into the story and find something that the author of the work I am reviewing stole from me," are you saying that this author plagiarized your work? If so, I cannot see how this seres could proceed with other stories, unless you claim yourself to be the origin of near all fanfiction tropes.

What is this Powerbase? Is it a form of internet magic? How do creators use this power? Why does badfic leach their energies, until it falls apart and dies? How does it work for other internet creators?

How would this seres work? Is it closer to an MST, or our missions? Why do your characters care about badfic in-universe?

While I am interested, I feel I need more information before proper dialogue can open between us for cooperation.

Of course, it's not like you need permission. This is your own story, in a separate, unique universe. If you want to do it, do it man. We can provide support and help develop the seres, but it's not like you have to ask permission from us to create. Just don't directly plagiarize, and we should be good. I'd still like that information, though.

Re: An interesting proposition. by Dark Brother 16 on 2014-02-25 23:34:00 UTC Reply

No,he didn't plagiarise my work. What happened is the authors usually find a way to sort of kidnap a creature or character from one of two of my stories that I was inspired to write after having a very vivid dream. They are both cross overs, sort of. One of them is an Alien vs Predator vs Terminator story, and the other is a combination of Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th, Child's Play, Scream, Halloween, Hell raiser, It, Saw, Psycho, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and Slender, the Eight Pages. The reason being that the characters from those stories either despise me or are just mindless animals. The authors that have a problem with me reviewing their stories (meaning they have agreed to let me make them antagonists) usually provoke a confrontation by doing this to me in particular.

Oh,no. I'm not the originator of any tropes, yet. Hopefully this series becomes big enough that it will, though. I'm trying to get Nostalgia critic and PewDiePie, because there will be more than one season in which my crew and I (still recruiting fanfiction authors to help out) go beyond Fanfiction.net.

As to what a Powerbase is, it is as the name implies. A Powerbase is the Fanfiction stories, or characters, or objects that embody an Author powers. In the Imaginations Collide universe, those who know how to use a temporal portal into cyberspace (since you guys and I will be coexisting, this is the same thing as a Plot hole) have the ability to tap into a techno - mystical energy source and use it however they can imagine. But they usually have to have some sort of object to store their energy in, such as a Fanfiction story or a YouTube channel, in order to effectively tap into it.

For the PPC, the same rules apply, but in different ways. For example, in the Imaginations Collide series, you all manifest your powers through your gadgets. Those of you with other abilities choose to manifest your powers in that way.

Badfics don't leech energy from an Author unless they decide to try and preserve it instead of improve it. If the author of a badfics chooses not to bother saving it, then it will decay and become an empty she'll of chaos. However, even after that, it can be salvaged, if the author chooses to change it after a time.

As for how it works with other Internet creators, I have touched upon that, but again, the Internet denizens must have some sort of creation, such as a YouTube channel or a blog or a Facebook page, in order to store their power, because they can't store it in themselves unless they want to transcend reality and essentially die.

In many ways, it is like a commentary on bad video games or movies on the radio. The format is like this.

[Mr Jones: Hello, Mr Hesh. How are you today.]

[Mr Hesh: (turns to Mr Jones) Fine, thanks. And you?]

I made up Mr Jones and Mr Hesh to make my point, but this is the format. And I based it off of Game Grumps and Talk Radio. There will be a huge emphasis on the commentary itself, but there will be an obvious plot element and continuity as well. It starts off with me and my Star Wars the Clone Wars OC, Eli Irad, trying to have a normal review, and having unfortunate events force us into the story, usually in my case, the authors of the piece I am doing kidnapping my OCs from either my Alien vs Predator vs Terminator story, or my Horror/Slasher flick story. Does that help?

Why do they care? Well, because I ask them to help me out, since they each have a unique skillset. My OC's kinda tend to do what I want, just like they do for almost every other author. Unless, the author decides to manifest his or her powers in his or her characters instead of the story, in which case they would have more free will to them. This does have the side effect of giving them the free will to disagree and even oppose you. Eli Irad is one such example.

I hope my answers here helped a little bit.

Excellent. So, we are in agreement. Here's the information, as best as I understood the questions. Feel free to ask me more.

I'm a bit confused. by Neshomeh on 2014-02-26 16:41:00 UTC Reply

I can't always tell when you're talking from an in-universe perspective and when you're telling us what you, the real person writing the post, actually believe. For instance, "the authors usually find a way to sort of kidnap a creature or character from one of two of my stories" sounds like you-the-real-person believe the real-people fanfic authors are really stealing your ideas. Is that the case?

Also:

For the PPC, the same rules apply, but in different ways. For example, in the Imaginations Collide series, you all manifest your powers through your gadgets. Those of you with other abilities choose to manifest your powers in that way.

This sounds like the PPC does or will exist in your series. Just to be clear, if that's the case, then you DO need permission from each PPCer you want to involve, whether you're featuring their agents or their own online personas.

~Neshomeh

Re: I'm a bit confused. by Dark Brother 16 on 2014-02-26 18:06:00 UTC Reply

Oh no, as far as I am aware, noone has ever stolen my stuff. Don't worry about that.

Yes, which is why I am asking around. The PPC as a whole seems to be okay, based on what the other responders are telling me, as long as I don't steal anything. When the time comes, I will certainly ask individual permissions.

Ah, I think there may have been some misunderstanding. by Neshomeh on 2014-02-27 15:29:00 UTC Reply

What World-Jumper and doctorlit were saying is that you don't need permission from us to write a creative reviewing story as long as the concept is distinct enough from ours so as to not be copying us. We don't own "narrative critique" or MST or anything like that.

You DO need permission from us to write about the PPC, its members, and their characters. Just mentioning that the PPC exists is fine, but it sounds like you want to get the organization involved with the storyline, and that's another matter. I'd like to know more about how you plan to use our stuff, personally.

~Neshomeh

Re: Ah, I think there may have been some misunderstanding. by Dark Brother 16 on 2014-02-27 15:43:00 UTC Reply

Great! No worries then.

I intend to have some of you make cameo appearances whenever my crew and I review badfics as a sort of special forces group in regard to fanfiction. A little like the police, but with many major differences, and hopefully a lot like what you actually do. Still doing the research in that and reading the missions and stuff.

Okay. by Neshomeh on 2014-02-27 16:49:00 UTC Reply

I'm glad you're doing your research. {= )

Since this won't be a PPC story, per se, and any PPC characters will just be cameo appearances, I guess this falls outside the remit of the Permission Givers and is down to individual permission from the various PPCers, as I suggested before. As a PG, though, I just wanna ask that you don't do anything we wouldn't do as far as flaming or otherwise personally attacking/insulting the badfic authors. I wouldn't be comfortable with PPCers/PPC characters getting involved with that kind of behavior, since we've had a bit of an uphill struggle getting away from it in our own community. I don't want us to appear to be endorsing it even obliquely. Can you make sure of that?

~Neshomeh

Re: Okay. by Dark Brother 16 on 2014-02-27 22:22:00 UTC Reply

I don't commentary anything unless the authors and I have an understanding. They agree that I can review thier stories, and I promise not to be offensive. The purpose of the series is to offer constructive criticism, with an attatched plotline.

I think I should also point out that I review goodfics and trolls as well. In the cases of the trolls, the ones I have been able to find have agreed to be portrayed as antagonists, as long as I am not excessively cruel. The only exception to this is Tara Gilesby, for My Immortal. I have made plans for the story, but have not been able to get ahold of this person. I'm starting to think that she never existed.