That's interesting.

Subject: That's interesting.
Author: Halcyon
Posted on: 2014-02-28 22:04:00 UTC

If I remember right what screwed over Will was that (I think this was in the books)he tipped off Hannibal with his awkward behavior after realizing moments prior that Hannibal was the guy he was looking for. I don't think Sherlock would make this mistake, but you're right. Hannibal isn't stupid--he'd be smart enough to recognize that Sherlock has the brains to see right through him and he'd make a move before Sherlock would have the chance to.

Not only that but I don't think Hannibal would stop at threatening John. He'd probably start designing ways to screw over Sherlock before Sherlock could secure John's safety. It'd be a game of cat and mouse between the two of them with poor John stuck in the middle.

Personally I think Hannibal would have the advantage because he knows human psychology like the back of his hand. To me that's always been one of the scarier things about him. If you give him enough to work with--even if you don't believe a word he says--you'll never get him out of your head.

Sherlock is good at getting information from a person with a single look but I dunno if he could take that information and use it as a springboard for getting into said person's psyche. Well, he couldn't do this to the degree that Hannibal can and it makes sense when you think about it. Sherlock isn't all that interested in the minds of others. He's far too into his own brilliant mind for that.

In a game of psyche out warfare against Hannibal could Sherlock hold his own? I honestly can't say either way...

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Hey guys I just got this crazy idea... by Halcyon on 2014-02-24 19:44:00 UTC Reply

Watching BBC Sherlock after Silence of The Lambs has got me thinking--What do you think would happen if someone got Doctor Hannibal Lecter from the movie to meet Sherlock?

(Personally, I think that orchestrating the whole ordeal would be A Very Bad Idea and would probably need to go down under The Things I'm Not Allowed to Do at The PPC. After all, Dr Lecter does have a huge thing against rude people and we all know how tactless Sherlock can be...)

Funny you should mention Hannibal and Sherlock. by Lily Winterwood on 2014-02-24 20:08:00 UTC Reply

NBC's prequel series, Hannibal, has Dr Lecter played by !add Mikkelsen. BBC Sherlock's Charles Augustus Magnussen is played by Mad's brother (I think he's the brother, at least), Lars.

Now imagine a world where Hannibal and Magnussen work together...

Oh god by Halcyon on 2014-02-25 12:38:00 UTC Reply

Sherlock would be soooo boned. I mean, Magnussen was enough of a handful for him on his own. With Dr Lecter thrown in the mix I can't help but consider the possibility of Sherlock Holmes becoming Stewlock Holmes after Dr. Lecter is done with him.

Haha...for some reason the whole scenario makes me think of that time he confronted the dude's who kidnapped Mrs Hudson--"I dislike being outnumbered it makes for too much stupid in the room." The entire idea of Sherlock vs Team Lecter and Magnussen sounds like it'd make for a stupidly badfic if handled improperly (I mean most fanwriters I know--excluding you you're great--have trouble getting Sherlock's persona down pat, never mind the other two).

God I would NOT want to be the agent who has to spork THAT fic.

Stewlock Holmes... by Kittythekatty on 2014-02-26 03:17:00 UTC Reply

Sounds like a recipe from a Sherlock Holmes inspired cookbook.
Maybe if there was an unofficial PPC cookbook named after canon characters or Suvian things, Stewlock Holmes would be a recipe...
Sorry, I thought that would be amusing.

Stulock/Stewlock oh god... by Halcyon on 2014-02-28 22:08:00 UTC Reply

Some serious brainfood going on there...get it? Get it??
*shot*
What do you think would happen if we fed this concoction to a Sue?

Well... by Kittythekatty on 2014-02-28 22:10:00 UTC Reply

I thought that maybe Stewlock Holmes would actually have Stulock Holmes as an ingredient, since Suvians are apparently edible.
I guess it would be cannibalism...

That actually sounds like a great idea. by Lily Winterwood on 2014-02-26 07:11:00 UTC Reply

The PPC Cookbook. I get the feeling it's been done before, but I'm not entirely sure how edible the results were.

Still, where else can you get away with calling Snickerdoodles "Sparklydoodles"?

Y'all seem to think... by wobblestheclown on 2014-02-25 13:56:00 UTC Reply

That the world's greatest detective (Sorry Brucie, you don't cut it) would not be able to spot the signs of advanced cannibalism in someone. The consumption of human meat, particularly brain matter, is linked with a whole host of crazy-making neurological diseases, plus there's also the question of parasites. Hannibal's a gourmet chef and entertains lavishly; if he's serving steaks, which he know he does and may assume he has done, then he'll be doing them rare because that's how gourmet chefs prepare steak. There is, therefore, a rather nasty problem for our dear little high-society people-eater, and it will affect his brain sooner or later. The in for Sherlock is therefore to get him on the ropes while Hannibal Magnussen is forced to rely upon his brother to silence critics... and since there's no more Charlie boy, that's a very fast downward spiral. =]

Hannibal eats the rude... by Lily Winterwood on 2014-02-25 14:21:00 UTC Reply

And Sherlock is most definitely rude.

I can definitely see him having to work with Will Graham on a gruesome case, and then meeting Dr Lecter, figuring it out -- but then it's too late. Hello, Stewlock!

You're ignoring one key ingredient: by wobblestheclown on 2014-02-26 14:21:00 UTC Reply

Watson.

John's an Afghanistan veteran who still has his service pistol. We know that John has killed to save Sherlock before; when Sherlock tells him the full extent of Hannibal's crimes, what makes you think that John would not come running? Sherlock might die, yes, but Hannibal definitely would. Being shot tends to do that.

Hannibal might've figured that out. by Lily Winterwood on 2014-02-26 14:29:00 UTC Reply

Which means Watson goes first, as a precaution.

Sorry, I love Sherlock, but sometimes it's satisfying to come up with scenarios in which he loses. Otherwise he does get a bit Stuish.

...Stewish? /bricked

I understand that. by wobblestheclown on 2014-02-26 17:59:00 UTC Reply

I just don't think there are any plausible scenarios of that nature when he's up against the Purple People Eater as played by a poorly-made waxwork of Brian Cox.

I'm not really seeing the scenario here. by Outhra on 2014-02-27 07:49:00 UTC Reply

That wasn't very nice, wobblestheclown. We're all only being hypothetical here.

Maybe if it's set up in sequence, we can all see how it would most probably play out, and I can make a little more sense of this. Because from what I've been constructing based on your conversation, Sherlock would be called to work with the detective from Hannibal's prequel TV show, meets Hannibal, finds out that he eats people, tells Watson about Hannibal, and then goes to see Hannibal again, is rude to him, and then Watson gets there, and then Hannibal eats Watson, and then Hannibal eats Sherlock. That doesn't really make a lot of sense in sequence. For one, why would Sherlock deliberately go back to meet Hannibal after he's already found out that Hannibal eats people? As the world's smuggest detective, he'd be able to tell that there's a risk that he'd be attacked and eaten, and then he'd insult Will Graham to his face for daring to put a person of such skill in potential danger. ~~And then Will would deliberately do nothing to help when Hannibal brings out a boning knife and some fava beans.~~ Okay, that was mean, and also ignores the sequence that was being set up, so I "/strike"d it out. I didn't think it was mean enough to delete, though. I'm not too fond of Sherlock.

Also, how would Watson know where Sherlock was once he went back, and know well enough to arrive first and shoot Hannibal/get eaten before Sherlock? Would Sherlock tell him the address and where Hannibal keeps the house key? Those sound like pieces of information he'd keep to himself so that he can set up some master plan to be executed later in the episode.
So, what would happen here? How would this scenario likely occur, in order, featuring these characters? I'd project something myself, but I'm unfamiliar with prequel!Hannibal and haven't watched more than a few episodes of Sherlock because, as mentioned earlier, I don't like its title character much.

Hm. by Lily Winterwood on 2014-02-27 08:34:00 UTC Reply

Sherlock works with Will Graham over a series of extremely gruesome murders. He's introduced to Dr Lecter after doing his whole high-functioning sociopath thing and realises after one sitting with the guy that he eats people.

Hannibal's not stupid, so he does what dear brother Magnussen does, and indicates to Sherlock that he knows that Sherlock knows that he's a cannibal, and that if word of it gets out, John's next on the menu. Season three more or less establishes that Sherlock's emotionally compromised by John, so he's probably more likely to comply with this. Especially after he and John get an invitation to dinner and he has to sit there and pretend he's suddenly a vegetarian or something.

Now, the story could go from there where Sherlock risks his life again and shoots Hannibal before things get out of hand, where Sherlock risks his career to prove that Will Graham is innocent for the murders of Abigail Hobbs, where Sherlock forcibly insists that John accept Mycroft's protection as he does the aforementioned things so that someone working for Hannibal to harvest John won't get to him.

Whatever it is, I don't think he can just figure out that Hannibal is a cannibal and declare it to the police, because look how well that worked out for Will, and Will's the one whose "superpower" is more or less empathising with the killer and therefore knowing exactly how the killers did it.

Stewlock sounds hilarious though.

That's interesting. by Halcyon on 2014-02-28 22:04:00 UTC Reply

If I remember right what screwed over Will was that (I think this was in the books)he tipped off Hannibal with his awkward behavior after realizing moments prior that Hannibal was the guy he was looking for. I don't think Sherlock would make this mistake, but you're right. Hannibal isn't stupid--he'd be smart enough to recognize that Sherlock has the brains to see right through him and he'd make a move before Sherlock would have the chance to.

Not only that but I don't think Hannibal would stop at threatening John. He'd probably start designing ways to screw over Sherlock before Sherlock could secure John's safety. It'd be a game of cat and mouse between the two of them with poor John stuck in the middle.

Personally I think Hannibal would have the advantage because he knows human psychology like the back of his hand. To me that's always been one of the scarier things about him. If you give him enough to work with--even if you don't believe a word he says--you'll never get him out of your head.

Sherlock is good at getting information from a person with a single look but I dunno if he could take that information and use it as a springboard for getting into said person's psyche. Well, he couldn't do this to the degree that Hannibal can and it makes sense when you think about it. Sherlock isn't all that interested in the minds of others. He's far too into his own brilliant mind for that.

In a game of psyche out warfare against Hannibal could Sherlock hold his own? I honestly can't say either way...

*Mads. Darn nexus. (nm) by Lily Winterwood on 2014-02-24 20:09:00 UTC Reply