Subject: It's backwards.
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Posted on: 2015-07-07 00:34:00 UTC
Life fits the universe, not the other way around, since the universe was here before life was.
Subject: It's backwards.
Author:
Posted on: 2015-07-07 00:34:00 UTC
Life fits the universe, not the other way around, since the universe was here before life was.
Hey, guys! I'm back. My reading is going well; I'm about halfway through my first book, The Case for a Creator, and I'm already learning all sorts of neat-o stuff. I've got several others lined up, including works from the evolutionary viewpoint. I'm also going to read an apologetic book or two and defenses of the Scriptures, so that'll be fun.
However, I'm a little concerned by your reading defences of Biblical history. It seems like you're only doing this so you can write slightly better arguments against divine creation/intelligent design/whatever buzzword creationists come up with to peddle their religious beliefs in science classes. What I'd say you should be doing is coming into this with an open mind wrt evidence-based scientific inquiry, rather than simply to try and shore up the tenets of your faith.
Other than that, yay books! Books are good, for the most part. =]
Don't read a book that tells you how to argue a case. Find the evidence, if it exists, and go on from there. I personally think saying what your method(s) is is also important, but that's just me and my desire for clarity in all things philosophical.
You might also want to read this; it has an... interesting take on the whole 'belief' question.
But everything changed when the derpy internet attacked...
*sigh* In other words, I tried to post an entry briefly describing the books I was reading, and how they aren't all on how to argue, but that was lost. Basically, the one I'm reading now deals fully in evidence for a Creator, the one I'm reading next says it will attempt to prove Christianity beyond a reasonable doubt, and after that I have stuff by C.S. Lewis, a book on general debating strategy, and the works of various evolutionists.
To Scapegrace: I'm reading The Canon of the Scripture last, and mostly because SeaTurtle inquired about the reliability of the Bible, making me realize that I am woefully under prepared for that. Also, in regards to open mindedness... Well, I've believed in Christianity all of my life, and simply putting that aside will be massively difficult. However, I will look at evidence (and the lack thereof) as objectively as I can.
In the meantime, the anthropic principle is wicked cool.
Are you more inclined towards the Weak Uranithropic Principle - which says simply that we wouldn't see uranium in the universe if the universe couldn't contain uranium - or the Strong Uranithropic Principle, which says that we see uranium because the universe was specifically made to contain uranium?
(That's the flaw with the anthropic principle, by the way - it tries to demonstrate life is special by assuming life is special. ^_^)
hS
I like the one that talks about how the universe is so precisely balanced for life that if any aspects were shifted hardly at all, we could not exist.
But I'm new to this area, so I won't say anything else on it; I just find it really cool.
Life fits the universe, not the other way around, since the universe was here before life was.
... Is more that, if the universe couldn't contain life, no one would care about it, because we wouldn't be here. Thus, "if any aspects were shifted hardly at all", we wouldn't be able to make that observation, which makes this reflection somewhat irrelevant.
Some people actually believe that there are many other universes, and this one happened to be able to sustain life by chance, but there is currently no proof for the existence of any other universe besides this one.
It's actually hard to come up with any conceivable experiment to look for the existence of universes that don't interact with ours in any way... heck, we have a hard enough time with the 'cold, dark matter' which apparently constitutes up to 96% of our own universe.
But that 'any aspects shifted'/'sustain life by chance' idea is a little bit wrong. Yes, if the fundamental constants of the universe were different, we wouldn't see this universe... but that's like saying '2+3=5! If either 2 or 3 was changed, they wouldn't be able to equal 5 any more!'
In fact, it's a lot like that. There are two big holes in the idea:
1/ What makes 5 so special? If 3 turned into 4, you wouldn't make 5 - but you'd make 6, and that 6 would no doubt come up with a Weak Sixthropic Principle which claims that the universe was fine-tuned to make 6. The life we have now (or even the uranium we have now - why're we focussing on life when there's far more of other stuff? If the universe is balanced for anything, it's hydrogen and dark matter!) is hardly the only setup that an infinite number of universes could possible contain. Bind electrons more tightly to their atoms, and you could create life based on covalent bonds between metals.
2/ 2+3=5... but so does 1+4. You can 'compensate' for shifting one constant by shifting another to match. There's a lot more options for 'universe containing life' than you might think.
3/ Did I say two? I meant three. ^_^ The third is error bars. I rounded the actual values of 2.10526, 3.33983, and 5.44509 to get that lovely neat 2+3=5. Any values that round to 5 would've worked. Similarly, the 'fine tuning' of the universe is rather more coarse than you might imagine - the figures could vary by a long way and still give substantially the same universe.
There's a lovely example of this in one of the Science of Discworld books... actually, I think it's in three of the four, they enjoyed it so much! For your reading pleasure, I'll now spend twenty minutes copying it out from Google Books:
Assuming you mean the one 'which holds that the entire Purpose of the Universe is to make possible a being that will live in England, an island off the coast of France, and spend his time writing Discworld novels'.
Which means the purpose of the universe is now void.
... which reminds me of something I was going to do, actually. Hrm.
hS
But the Discworld novels themselves still exist, so I think that's something. The universe's purpose isn't void, it's just been fulfilled, and now we get to enjoy the results.
In my (not-so-)secret Star Trek headcanon, Terry Pratchett is considered to be one of the most famous 20th/21st century novelist, and one of the few authors you have to read in high school whose books people actually like.