Subject: Why do they call it "Ultimate Spider-Man"? (nm)
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Posted on: 2015-05-30 01:36:00 UTC
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In the absence of a badfic thread... by
on 2015-05-29 00:59:00 UTC
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Badfic? Ish? Maybe?
An Aunt's Love is... well, it rubbed me up the wrong way. It starts out alright, is the thing; it's set just after fifth year, Harry's effectively suffering from PTSD, and he's getting treatment for it in a Muggle institution that is like the one I was sent to... except not... in any conceivable way... moving on. Some of the OC's, particularly Harry's therapist, I like! Then come the badfic tropes. And boy howdy, do they pour in thick an' fast. There is, for instance, an honest-to-god ninja teaching mentally unstable children how to kick lumps out of each other. Then Harry gets possessed and de-aged in his own brain in scenes that are extremely uncomfortable. The he gets superpowers from the spirit of Merlin. Did I mention this was all happening while he was receiving direct tuition from Voldemort through some kind of shared dream-state thingummy that I'm fairly certain Potterverse magic cannot do? And then it all spirals into nonsense. More into nonsense. Especially when bleedin' Dracula shows up.
I think part of my reticence is tied up in the fact that this is goodfic gone bad. I think another part is that this is one of the most reviewed HP stories on the Pit. More than fourteen thousand people have shown up to give their thoughts on it! Jesus. I don't think there's been fourteen thousand responses to all the PPC missions written put together. People think it's good, I suppose.
Oh well. Something else for the mission machine that is Ix at present to do over the summer. =] -
May I offer a possibly goodfic crossover? by
on 2015-05-30 15:54:00 UTC
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I just saw this on the Pit. It's a crossover of Fate: Stay Night and Harry Potter.
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11122524/9/Second-Chance
There is a Fake Grail War, that Emiya Shirou has ended by destroying the Fake Grail. As he is dying, he says his final wish, However the decaying grail somehow fulfills his wish by replacing his soul into Harry Potter's body, after the Dementor attack in Book 4(?). Soon, he is an active participant of a battle between the Death Eaters and the populace of Great Britain.
One major problem that I can see in this fic though is how Nasuverse magecraft system can work in a Harry Potter universe. Also, the character Adam Greengrass does have the potential to be a Gary Stu, as he is also trying to defeat Voldemort while having a Dark Mark himself.
But this is still very early, with only 9 chapters. I hope the stiry quality improves over time. -
Yeah, no. by
on 2015-05-30 17:01:00 UTC
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It's not goodfic, it's badfic. Aside from the mediocre SPaG, it butchers the Nasuverse pretty badly, and throws both Dumbledore and Shirou OOC - and that's only from the first chapter and a half.
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But how? by
on 2015-05-31 01:03:00 UTC
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If I recall correctly, Shirou here does act as a consequence of the Archer route. In fact, he is slowly turning to EMIYA, through the murders of the Death Eaters.
As for the vigilante murders of Death Eaters, I must agree, the murders may adversely change Harry Potter plot. Also Adam Greengrass looks like an OC, which also may soon, or have already become a Gary Stu.
As for Magic systems, I do realise that Harry Potter may not have Magic Circuits, and if he does, Shirou may not be able to Project from Harry's body.
Having read nine chapters, I find that Shirou as predictably as he is in his canon. Getting ready to defend himself when thrown to a new situation, hiding informations until it is considered necessary, strategising how to navigate through Potterverse, those are the marks of an Emiya Shirou that has already survived his Holy Grail War.
However, there could be something that I missed from the story. -
Not an extensive list by
on 2015-05-31 01:48:00 UTC
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(I might be forgetting some stuff here.)
-If this is post-UBW, and it looks like it's the case, Shirou doesn't have access to Caliburn, and anyway Caliburn doesn't work the same way as Excalibur.
-The Grail doesn't exist after UBW - Rin and Lord El-Melloi II dismantled it, so the whole idea that a splinter group of magi can rebuild it is hogwash.
-I find Shirou having ties to the Enforcers highly doubtful.
-Different dimensions exist in the Nasuverse, but a) there's only one way to move through them (Kaleidoscope, the Second Magic) and b) they're parallel worlds, not entirely different ones.
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Thank you for clarifying. But I wish to challenge the... by
on 2015-05-31 02:55:00 UTC
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...second point of your list. There is a fancomic endorsed by Hiniko Nasu, called Fate/Strange Fake. So while Fuyuki Holy Grail is dismantled, other fake Holy Grails are made throughout the World. Shirou may have acted to destroy that grail instead.
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Well... by
on 2015-05-31 03:13:00 UTC
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Fate/strange fake happens after the third Grail is faultily copied. It's waaaaay too early for Shirou's time (he wouldn't even be born yet), not to mention that it happens in the States, not in Germany under the Einzberns' noses. Also, it's Kinoko, not Hiniko.
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Then I must ask, should this fic be sporked? (nm) by
on 2015-05-31 04:24:00 UTC
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Hm... by
on 2015-05-31 09:59:00 UTC
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It's definitely badfic. I don't know whether it'd make for a good mission or not, and anyway my plate is full and I don't know anybody else here from the Fate/ fandom aside from myself and you.
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Reporting for duty? by
on 2015-05-31 17:19:00 UTC
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Taking a look at just the first chapter, it looks bad, but I'm not really convinced of its missionability, to coin a term. I'll stick it in my list of "fics for consideration," see if I come up with anything for it.
On a more general note, I feel like a lot of Fate/ fans kind of miss a recurring theme in the series, which is that losing sight of your ideals ultimately leads to just as much pain as clinging too tightly to them. Archer is cool, yes, but in the end he hates what he's become just as much (if not more than) he hates what he was. And I think post-UBW, Shirou would go out of his way to not become like Archer; he's seen what comes of that, after all.
Honestly, I'd say that the main difference between Harry and Shirou is that Harry tends to be a little quicker on the uptake and actually has a sense of self-preservation. -
Anyone here know Ultimate Spider-Man? by
on 2015-05-29 16:34:00 UTC
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The cartoon, I mean. I've seen a handful of episodes, but, well.
Ultimate Teen Titans is a crossover where Spider-Man somehow nearly dies and gets sent to the Teen Titans universe. Upon arrival, Raven - ie, the character who has literally read one person's mind in the series, and that only when that person was hallucinating and in a ton of danger - broadcasts the contents of Spidey's mind to the team. And it only gets better from there, folks! There's plenty of stuff showing how Peter is a much better fighter than the Titans, nonsensical stuff about secret identities (the Titans are public figures, author!) and Deadpool and Slade are apparently siblings. For... some reason. -
This sounds like something Edhelistar and I could collab on. by
on 2015-05-30 04:36:00 UTC
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With Solvig meeting my former Vampire!Robin replacement (a second time, shhh!). Of course, I'll be really busy over the summer due to an imminent foray into the work industry, and a few more of my own missions besides, but whatever.
Anyway, I might as well toss in my lot. Behold: TLOK: Azula's Redemption.
Korra unknowingly frees Azula from an iceberg. Azula has a second chance will she become the hero an win Korra's heart or will she join Vatu and bring the world into darkness. Alternate Universe. Azula X Korra. Review please. Also Bolin X Opal or Bolin X Eska
Rated: Fiction T - English - Romance/Hurt/Comfort - [Korra, OC, Asami S.] - Chapters: 5 - Words: 14,960
^Exactly what it sounds like. Also, awful SPaG. -
Did a full canon check-up in the Ultimate Teen Titans fic... by
on 2015-05-30 20:08:00 UTC
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... and got some very interesting things. First of all, is a triple crossover, is misclassified and is a ten fics long series. Okay explaining now the two first ones now, the fic combines elements from both the Teen Titans animated series and the New Teen Titans comic book series (like Titans Tower being in San Francisco instead of Jump City), that's why it's a triple crossover. Which leads me to the next point, the fic is not a crossover with the Ultimate Spider-Man animated series, is a crossover with the comic book series of the same name. That's why Peter Parker dies at the start of the fic. In fact this gets fixed later by the author by filling parts 3 to 10 under "Ultimate Marvel".
That being said, the things that bothered me were: Peter's unexplained interdimesional travel, Cinderblock's unexplained power and intelligence upgrade, Raven is slightly OOC, and the fact that Spidey's and Raven's relationship progresses a little too fast.
All in all, and considering the continua involved, I judge this crossover to be plausible. Yes, that includes Deadpool's Fourth Wall breaking interdimensional travel. Even Raven falling for Spider-Man, since she actually fell for Beast Boy in the New Earth DCU continuum, and those two are very much alike. And the bit of Deadpool and Deathstroke being siblings, is quite likely a joke, referencing the fact that Deadpool is a parody/rip-off of Deathstroke, a joke even DC Comics has dabbled into. The SPaG gets better as the fic progresses and yes, Ultimate Peter Parker is that awesome, in fact, he's inmortal!
In other words, I won't take any part in any sporking of this fic, I have definitively seen worse and more spork-worthy fics than this one. Is not the best by any means, but I don't see it bad enough for Mission material. -
Huh, my bad. by
on 2015-05-31 22:46:00 UTC
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I thought it was just the animated series ones. It's filed under the cartoon sections for Ultimate Spider-Man and Teen Titans, which is why I didn't think the comics were involved.
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Why do they call it "Ultimate Spider-Man"? (nm) by
on 2015-05-30 01:36:00 UTC
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Because... by
on 2015-05-31 01:01:00 UTC
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I believe it takes place in Marvel's Ultimate Universe, which is different from Marvel's normal Universe because... reasons. I think.
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Rule of Cool. (nm) by
on 2015-05-30 18:03:00 UTC
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At a guess, because it's Ultimate. (nm) by
on 2015-05-30 06:17:00 UTC
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Hey, I remember that one! by
on 2015-05-29 01:29:00 UTC
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But when I read it, it did not have all the badfic tropes. Those must have been added afterwards. (I hope. But I really don't remember them, especially the Voldemort bit--oh. Oh, wait. Maybe I do. I'm not sure.)
Huh. I guess this bears further investigation, though I'm not sure I want to be the one to do it...
~DF
