Subject: I'm afraid so. But don't worry too much about it.
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Posted on: 2014-09-07 15:05:00 UTC
Everyone comes up with bad ideas every once in a while, after all.
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Project Asterion by
on 2014-09-06 15:46:00 UTC
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Uh... this seems stupid. I don't even have permission yet. ah well, here goes.
Project Asterion is the tentative name for a... I don't know? Offshoot of the PPC that deals with horrible writing and mary sues outside of the realm of fanfiction. their primary targets are Internet stories like those found on Quotev and published series like Twilight or The Inheritance Cycle.
They (depending on how much they clash with PPC canon) may share technology and a portion of headquarters with the PPC.
I'm asking if anyone likes this particular idea or not. or how much it clashes with established canon. -
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on 2014-09-06 16:11:00 UTC
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Asterion follows much of the same rules as the PPC in terms of conduct.
The word worlds in non-fanfiction writing are not as prone to bizarre literal interpretations of the words due to the fact that a published work usually has proper grammar, but unpublished works like those found on Quotev operate like standard fic word worlds.
Agents for the project are referred to as "Operators". Assassins are known as Eliminators and bad slashers are called FVU's(short for fictional victims unit)
Operators have access to most of the same equipment as agents(provided that Asterion does not clash with PPC canon too much), such as disguise generators, but they have their own variant of a CAD that is split into 3 different devices.
the IAD(implausibility analysis device)used for detecting how many natural laws are violated in the setting(only brought along for realistic universes), PAD(power analysis device)used for detecting the power of a character, and R/BAD(realism/believability analysis device)used for detecting the realism or believability of a character's behavior, backstory, or personality traits.
the sues defeated by the operators of Asterion eventually regenerate if they come from a published work(the sporkings of a published work are to provide a literary criticism), but those of unpublished internet stories can only regenerate if fanfics are written about them(which is unlikely).
I am going to think up of an origin story to Asterion if it fits with PPC canon.
any logic gaps? If so, fill me in. -
My thoughts. by
on 2014-09-07 00:40:00 UTC
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What is it that makes these guys not the PPC? You've said that they're going to 'follow much of the same rules', and may share* tech, and even living space. If all that is true, then why aren't they just Agents of the PPC?
The main procedural difference is that these guys will go into published works - something that the PPC has rules against. So what makes your 'Operators' significantly different from rule-breaking Agents? The other difference that you've noted is a bunch of name changes... well, if it looks likea duckan Agent, quacks likea duckan Agent(?) and acts likea duckan Agent, then whatever you call it, I'm going to see it asa duckan Agent.
Thinking specifically of the Eliminators and FVUs, etc. it seems unlikely to me that an independent organisation would break its operations groups up using the exact same structure as the PPC, just with different names. Personally, I think you should try and make Asterion more different from the PPC.
There's no reason that you can't have your own organisation that's associated with the PPC, after all, there are plenty of others already - various OFUs have had direct links, and I believe Ispace used to be on friendly terms with the PPC. I've got an organisation of my own that I'm planning on throwing into the mix, I just haven't got around to actually writing anything about it yet. The point is, all of these other affiliates have a different niche that they operate in.
In-universe, I'd think that the PPC would welcome allies (assuming that they're still perpetually understaffed), particularly if operate in a similar manner and have shared goals. It'd make the alliance a lot smoother than if they've got wildly opposing goals.
Out-of-universe, I think you'd have to make the organisation significantly different from the PPC, otherwise it's going to look uncomfortably close to plagiarism / an attempt to circumvent the Permission process.
*when you say that they may share technology, does that mean that Asterion has some unique tech of its own to offer? The CAD alternatives don't seem like they would offer any major advantage to an Agent. I'm just wondering what sort of tech sharing you were imagining. -
RE:what makes these guys not PPC by
on 2014-09-07 02:06:00 UTC
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the main rules followed are codes of conduct(no trolling, no offensive jokes, etc.)
the main thing that differentiates operators from agents is procedure: while the basic procedure is the same, operators typically(when deployed to canon works) are deployed in groups of 5-6 and are more skilled in intelligence gathering( due to the fact that they wait until an opportune moment to assassinate, which typically takes longer than with a fanfic,and also target multiple sues per book).
It isn't an attempt to circumvent permission. If you don't want me to write for it, I won't.
They're more of a subset of the PPC than a true independent organization. the flowers tolerate them because they share many of the same goals as the PPC.
Asterion does not use it's own original technology.
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So basically... by
on 2014-09-07 09:40:00 UTC
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It's sort of a sub-organization of the PPC that does things the PPC has rules against?
... Dude, that's pretty much a big no-go here. Remember, the PPC protects canon.
On an in-universe view, the Flowers (capital F, by the way) would not tolerate a sub-organization of the PPC going around killing the very characters the main organization protects.
Remember, as much as we hate Bella Swan for being one of the biggest Sues ever published, PPC Agents will still save her ass if someone tries to kill her, because it's canon for her to be alive. They would not be happy about having to, but it's the Duty.
Original fiction is more of a gray area - they're not "formally" published but they're their own canon - so the PPC simply doesn't touch them. I think it would be still in bad taste to mission them through a mission by a PPC subsidiary or a PPC-like independent organization, but that's my personal opinion.
I didn't understand if you want to mission fanfiction too, but since you're pretty much making a PPC clone... the really polite way is to mission those by getting Permission and writing for the main PPC.
Remember, if you want to make an independent organization, that's fine and we will wish you everything good for it. "Piggybacking" on the PPC the way you're implying or plagiarizing its stuff is Not Cool. -
I screwed up again, didn't I? (nm) by
on 2014-09-07 13:57:00 UTC
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I'm afraid so. But don't worry too much about it. by
on 2014-09-07 15:05:00 UTC
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Everyone comes up with bad ideas every once in a while, after all.
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I think such a thing works better if not related to the PPC. by
on 2014-09-06 22:51:00 UTC
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In fact, I'm pretty sure the Flowers wouldn't be too happy if soeone goes around killing Canon Sues.
While I'm not a PG, I'm afraid having Asterion and the PPC share a continuity is a no-go.