Subject: The Miraluka? (nm)
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Posted on: 2016-06-16 20:32:00 UTC
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A question about the Force in missions by
on 2016-06-16 14:32:00 UTC
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So... I've been wondering something... If an agent from the Star Wars continuum were in another continuum, like Harry Potter or something, would they not have their Force abilities? Given that DORKS change DNA, and the ability to sense and use the Force comes through special cells in the blood, it could... But then again, that means they wouldn't have an ability that they have always had. The Jedi/Sith/Adept/etc. would suddenly be without an ability that they literally use 24/7, an ability that is a big part in making them who they are. So... Yeah. That's what I'm puzzling over.
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According to Wookiepedia: by
on 2016-06-17 02:23:00 UTC
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The Force is a mystical energy field that binds all life - from an ant to the universe and all galaxies - together. It's always there, wether you can sense it or not. And the way you sense it, and the measure of how well you can use it, depends on the number of midi-chlorians in the body that the Force can use to communicate with an individual. According to Qui-Gon Jinn, "Without the midi-chlorians, life would not exist."
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Right, but that's just Star Wars canon. by
on 2016-06-17 02:57:00 UTC
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Life in other canons can have no midi-chlorians just fine, so I would think a lack of them in disguise would make sense. Certainly using the Force in a flashy manner, e.g. Sith lightning, would be out of place in non-Star Wars realms. Disguises tend to be maintained even when making arrests; ergo, no Force abilities for the whole sporking.
As for really subtle powers, e.g. "Jedi Mind Tricks" or passive senses, are more dicey. I realize I'm just repeating myself when I say that senses are "translated" from the disguise to the mind of the Agent, solving the problem of blind Force-sensitive Agents, but I'll say it one last time here anyway. -
My thoughts: by
on 2016-06-16 23:42:00 UTC
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I think that each world works differently, down to the smallest level. Certain powers just wouldn't translate. If you need to draw energy from some source for your powers, that would be a problem. (ex. The people on Lore from various Artix Entertainment games live on a planet with a core made out of mana, which gives them their magic.) But since The Force comes from the midi-chlorians in your bloodstream, it all depends on whether the DORKS simply overwrites your appearance, or your body, down to the smallest level. In a continum, I believe that a Force-user would not be able to sense anything, simply because there are no midi-chlorians present within the organisms in that continum. Of course, I do not know whether The Force allows you to sense life, or midi-chlorians. So someone from the Lands of Rising Evil would be without magic, but I do believe that someone who is Force-Sensitive would be the same, but externally, the powers would work differently.
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You can sense both life and midi-chlorians with the Force. by
on 2016-06-17 02:11:00 UTC
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And so much more...
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On the DORKS by
on 2016-06-17 02:04:00 UTC
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It's established on the Wiki somewhere that the DORKS changes biology, rather than simply projecting an image; hence, Agents Jay and Acacia not feeling getting shot with an arrow until they switched out of their disguises.
Force powers, as I understand them, vary significantly depending on the author in scope and potency, so I wouldn't consider that a safe source for powers. Then again, I haven't read any of the Expanded Universe. -
Not sure. Here are my thoughts. by
on 2016-06-16 16:15:00 UTC
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Well, the Force doesn't just... by
on 2016-06-16 16:23:00 UTC
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Well, now I think about this... by
on 2016-06-16 16:45:00 UTC
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There is more to the problem than the powers of the Jedi. If they got really angry during missions, something that will happen someday, would that lead them towards the Dark Side? Even in worlds where there is no Force?
And I'm not even talking about other powers linked to the mental state of the person too, and/or to some more-or-less mystical thing, like Personae, or the consequnces of black magic for Dresdenverse magic practicioners, for speaking about things I know well. (glitterbags don't have the soul to trigger te problme, but possessed characters for instance?) -
Dark vs Light is an interesting debate by
on 2016-06-16 17:25:00 UTC
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What Data Junkie said. Yay, morally ambiguous Jedi! (nm) by
on 2016-06-16 22:39:00 UTC
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I'm onboard with this vision of the Force. by
on 2016-06-16 19:27:00 UTC
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Here's a thought: What about Miralukans? by
on 2016-06-16 18:54:00 UTC
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They are a species born without eyes who use the Force to see. If we say that the Force cannot be used in continua that don't have it, then the Miralukan would be permanently blind while in those continua.
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DoSAT's got to have something for that sort of thing, right? by
on 2016-06-17 09:49:00 UTC
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Y'know, temporary force bubble generator sort of thing, or a helmet that gives them, er, force eyes. Would have to be similar to their natural senses, as Data pointed out.
Some sort of technology that is sufficiently advanced, is what I'm trying to say.
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Forgot about them by
on 2016-06-16 20:14:00 UTC
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It's possible they would just have to deal with being blind. It's also possible whatever verse they're in would compensate by giving them Daredevil-like senses.
Either way, people born blind are pretty much universally better at navigating life than those suddenly struck blind, and are usually pretty awful at anything requiring vision if they have their sight "restored" so I think just suddenly giving them eyes would be a bad idea, since I am pretty certain Force-Sight is less like regular sight and more like Daredevil or Terezi's heightened senses that let them "see". -
Forget about what, exactly? (nm) by
on 2016-06-16 20:29:00 UTC
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I forgot they existed (nm) by
on 2016-06-16 20:29:00 UTC
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The Miraluka? (nm) by
on 2016-06-16 20:32:00 UTC
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Oooh, yeah, that's what you meant. My bad. (nm) by
on 2016-06-16 20:34:00 UTC
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Well, Force Sight has these abilities... by
on 2016-06-16 20:25:00 UTC
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Nah by
on 2016-06-16 20:39:00 UTC
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Well, if they change into another species... by
on 2016-06-16 19:01:00 UTC
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native to the continuum they're in, I assume they would obtain eyes.
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Or they would be blind anyways... by
on 2016-06-16 19:54:00 UTC
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Which could be an excuse to use the Force only for sight, and nothing else. But yeah, them having eyes could be a possibility.
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Hrmmm by
on 2016-06-17 01:57:00 UTC
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Probably, they would remain blind even if they changed species; after all, the DORKS handles sensation "translation." Perhaps they'd perceive the world as if they still had the Force, only not be able to see through walls and whatnot.
Considering the HQ is constructed across several worlds, it would be funny to see these characters intermittently losing their powers just wandering to the cafeteria! -
Interesting question. by
on 2016-06-16 14:54:00 UTC
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On that last point, by
on 2016-06-19 09:14:00 UTC
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hmmm by
on 2016-06-21 16:41:00 UTC
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Doctor Fisch of the Department of WhatThe was turned into something non-organic.
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Well, now I just look silly. by
on 2016-06-22 04:43:00 UTC
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Especially because it was one of the stories that convinced me to join the PPC. Scapegrace's stuff is brilliant.
I suppose it's one of those things determined largely by Legal.
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On that last point... by
on 2016-06-18 21:13:00 UTC
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On that last point. by
on 2016-06-17 19:35:00 UTC
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Chakkik is almost always in disguise, because he's gotten sick and tired of people screaming at his natural form.