Subject: I claim responsibility for this post (nm)
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Posted on: 2016-02-05 13:47:00 UTC
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If it is not too soon... Alpha request by
on 2016-02-05 12:37:00 UTC
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I just wrote a short Sesame Street fanfiction and I would like for someone to take a look at it.
Trigger warning, off-screen child abuse.
Calling it "Grover's First Time" would be a trolling title.
Appropriate age for reading it would be 16 and up. -
The following statement means no offense by
on 2016-02-05 13:42:00 UTC
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...I would bet that at least one tech savvy 4-year old might be browsing whatever archive you might be posting this fic on. So I humbly recommend that, given your description of the fic, to not ruin a child's innocence.
Of course that doesn't mean not to post it, just find some-archive vague enough or not used commonly for fanfiction that the probability of said 4-year old finding it to be extremely slim. Might I recommend Tumblr? -
*coughs* by
on 2016-02-05 17:26:00 UTC
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If this is going up on the Pit like I'm assuming it will, first of all, no four year old has any business being on that site, and second, there are quite a few other fics a poor kid could stumble across.
Like... this. Or this. Or this.
Don't click on any of those if you value your childhood memories. NSFW/NSFB, triggers, the whole nine yards.
You're not the fanfiction police, so I humbly recommend that you not try to dictate what others are going to post to fanfic sites. -
Crackfics by
on 2016-02-05 18:14:00 UTC
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That first one, I'm imagining it's the Jerry Nelson version of Elmo from the 70's. Search Muppet Voice Comparison Elmo. And why can't they say "grouch"?
Mine was inspired by Elmo and Tarrasque, but mine is also tamer than that. -
That's premature by
on 2016-02-05 14:31:00 UTC
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The story is no where near ready to think about how I'm going to distribute it.
And I'm probably over-warning the maturity level for safety. A child who reads it and understands it probably had their innocence ruined already. -
But those who still have their innocence... by
on 2016-02-05 15:33:00 UTC
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...Will ask their parents and/or older siblings, and there's many ways that can go.
At worst there may be some suing, cause you know, people think they're all privileged and stuff. At best there's probably some groundings going on. Somewhere in the middle is the loss of innocence via-kin. -
The rating system exists for a reason. by
on 2016-02-05 18:25:00 UTC
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That reason is to let people know the content rating of the story they are about to read. Should it be rated T, for Teen, one should expect, as laid out in the rating system used by FFN (link: www.fiction ratings.com), any or all of "some violence, minor coarse language, and minor suggestive adult themes". This is noted as " suitable for teens, 13 years and older". You can read the rest yourself; be aware that FFN uses K, K+, T, and M, but *not* MA (although, to be fair, some posters do blur the lines a bit between M and MA. Many others, however, will post the MA/NC-17 scenes they write elsewhere, so as not to violate the terms of use).
The youngest age you can be in order to have an account on FanFiction.net is either twelve or thirteen. A four-year-old--and you're assuming a four-year-old who knows how to read pretty well, not to mention find the site and navigate it--well, even assuming a young child who's been shown the site or something, that child should either know or will quickly figure out that they should stick to the K or K+ rated stories, of which there are many.
In my experience, users of FFN read stories at a rating with which they are comfortable. The only main 'dangers' are mis-rated stories or first-time users who haven't figured out the rating system yet (although, even then, M-rated stories are not displayed by default). To the first: I have every confidence that should Bramandin post this story on FFN, it will be correctly rated--or even overrated for safety, as is common practice. Should a reader too young for the themes find it, read it, and, of course, *understand* what it's getting at--and young readers miss many things that older readers get, due to the difference in life experience and so on--well, that would not be on the author, assuming the story was correctly rated and the trigger watching included in either the summary or an opening A/N.
FFN, and other sites, are filled with all sorts of stories. Some are good; some are thoughtful; some are bad; some are horrible. They come in many genres. This is no less true of children's shows--see My Little Pony for one example, or Kim Possible, or just about anything.
Also... I don't belieof that anyone, *ever* has sued a fanfic author for writing a story a little above the rating level of a person who read it, especially of their own free will. Moreover, the *only* thing Bramandin has warned for is "off-screen child abuse". Trust me--there are much, much, *much* worse things that have been written about in both fanworks and original works. Honestly, from the information we have, I'd expect this to be a thoughtful sort of piece, a different take on something or else a 'what if this character was confronted with this issue'.
Also? As far as I remember, there's child abuse awareness stuff (campaigns or education or something?) going around, so as to teach kids to speak out about it. Assuming it's even more than a minor sort of thing in this piece, it would probably just feed into that, at most.
tl;dr: FFN, as well as most sites, has a rating system in place. It's linked above. Rating correctly is the responsibility of the author, and putting trigger warnings in is considered considerate everywhere. (Archive of Our Own even has those as warnings in the rating system). Reading at the appropriate level, however, is the responsibility of the reader and of the people around them--*not* the author. Bramandin's piece also does not seem to fit the category of 'absolutely traumatizing'; moreover, Bramandin clearly knows what to warn for. Also, fanfic authors generally do *not* get sued for things like this; much more likely is, at most, publishing a fanfic as their own book without authorization or changing names, etc (ie, if EL James had published 50 Shades without changing the names and without getting Stephenie Meyer's permission to publish a Twilight tie-in or something).
In short: I see no problem here, nor, in fact, anything remotely unusual. I'd also suggest actually reading the piece before condemning it; it really does not sound to me to be particularly traumatizing by most standards, and the author's comments seem to support that.
If you'd like a run-down on AO3's rating system, I can do that. It's a similar sort of concept, but with different terms and with tags. Tumblr, meanwhile, has no rating system whatsoever, just the option to use tags and the stipulation that... 13, I believe, is the youngest age to have an account. FFN or AO3 is really a better bet, especially if you want to know the content rating quickly instead of guessing from the beginning or the tags--which won't always be there.
Also... Tumblr hosts stories, yes, but it's not a fanfic archive. That's not its official, main, or primary purpose. It doesn't really make as much sense to post stories exclusively to there.
And, right, I'll finish there. Apart from adding that I've been with all of these sites I've mentioned for a while: FFN since 2009, though I was reading there earlier; AO3 since at least a few years later; and Tumblr since 2011 or 2012 (probably 2012).
Thanks for reading.
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This is helpful by
on 2016-02-05 21:22:00 UTC
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I wasn't sure how safe it was to go into details here.
Yes, the story is about the first time that Grover was involved with getting Child Protective Services called. Rather, it's him talking to Herry about he wasn't sure what he heard. The story doesn't have any details about the "bad secret," but knowing that there are awareness campaigns targeted at kids might bring my story into a very low PG rating. (I think that there is an episode of Sesame Street that kids shouldn't be watching alone.)
I've got some research to do. Thank you for the help. -
Oh, and I also know where I need detail. (nm) by
on 2016-02-05 21:31:00 UTC
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I think that you are misunderstanding. by
on 2016-02-05 16:38:00 UTC
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I am guessing that you're thinking that it's vile because of the trigger warnings and high rating.
I'd rather over-warn and be mistaken about how family-unfriendly it is. It might just be PG or TV-Y7, but I am not a good judge.
I'm thinking that any child that goes onto the internet alone should ask their family about the content of my story.
I am irritated that you're judging it so harshly without knowing more about it, and I will speak no more of it until I have a volunteer to check it. -
I'd volunteer, but... by
on 2016-02-05 17:37:00 UTC
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I don't actually know very much about Sesame Street. Never really watched it as a kid. I wish you luck, though.
~DF -
Thanks, and a clarification by
on 2016-02-05 18:23:00 UTC
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What would really be helpful is everything but the canon details. Basically I'd like someone to check if the idea is even salvageable first. It's in a very rough state.
And then if it workable, maybe spend a few minutes marking where I need more description, and point out awkward transitions.
I understand if you still don't want to deal with that canon. -
Hmm. by
on 2016-02-05 18:32:00 UTC
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The main problem is that I'm pretty busy right now. School is busy, as is placement, and I'm already set to start a co-written mission, along with the stuff I'm already working on. If no one else volunteers, and if there's a point when I get the free time, then I wouldn't mind; but I can't guarantee that that'll be anytime soon. You'd probably be best off with someone else right now.
Also, hi! Nice to meet you :) I get the feeling you're one of the recent-ish newbies who I wasn't really around to greet, mainly because I barely recognize your name. Have a belated Welcome Gift of Swiss Bleepolate! It's great for when you're reading badfics and want that high grade chocolate together with your bleep.
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Re: Hmm. by
on 2016-02-05 19:36:00 UTC
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Yep, I'm new, and there is no need to explain. :) "Would like to but can't" is good enough.
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Eh, I'm the sort to explain when unnecessary :) by
on 2016-02-05 20:15:00 UTC
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Anyway, good luck.
~DF -
I claim responsibility for this post (nm) by
on 2016-02-05 13:47:00 UTC
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