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Posted on: 2018-01-16 04:30:00 UTC
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General Writing thread by
on 2018-01-12 17:44:00 UTC
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What's everyone been writing recently?
Does anyone have questions about writing to ask the PPC?
Does anyone have unsolicited writing advice?
Post it, share it, or whatever. I figure it's high time we talked more about writing, because we haven't done a lot of writing discussion lately... -
A couple works. by
on 2018-01-16 05:40:00 UTC
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I've got some poetry which I really really should get around to publishing in a magazine or something. Currently just sitting around, just existing, I guess.
But recently, I've been working on a short story, which I suppose I'll turn into a novel, if it goes well enough. Gotta get those creative juices flowing, and start writing more of it though.
And lastly, I'm tinkering with a nonlinear story. I tried to swap between the present and memories, but after having it reviewed by a couple beta's, it isn't prominent enough, and I ended up confusing people, instead of bringing new understanding to the writing.
Write more, write often. And if you feel so inclined, make yourself some cocoa as you work. :) -
Three PPC stories in the works, by
on 2018-01-15 12:50:00 UTC
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all in the planning stages for years at this point.
"Because We Like You"
The chronologically next story of my spin-off, this takes place immediately after "Pick Your Poison" and shows my little Sue kid recruits being officially inducted to the PPC. It's actually a fairly complex interlude, with a handful of cameos and, I think, the first really detailed description of the nursery we've had yet? If anyone knows of an existing one I may have missed, let me know. But yeah, this one kicked my butt for literally years, and I'm glad it's in the beta stage and close to release. Just waiting for feedback from one more beta, Nesh! :)
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"A Fistful of Hs"
My Thirty Hs mission, now into its second draft. I'm trying to make this mission fairly unique and different, and not to turn it into "oh no the badness is so bad," out of respect to the folks who find it legitimately entertaining. I'm trying to keep it pretty silly, but still have a plot surrounding it. I had quite a lot of fun drafting it, actually. There's also going to be a mini-mission side story of my Cafeteria agents going into Thirty Hs in search of edible substances.
This one will take a while to release, as there's another interlude I need to write for Doc and Vania that takes place between "Because We Like You" and this one, covering the 2013 Blackout.
An unbetad excerpt?
Vania nodded to Doc and started forward. “Let’s do this.”
“Wait. But.” Doc glanced from his partner to the scientist. “Disguises?”
“Do not bother,” said Minutia. “None of this story actually takes place on the surface of the Wizarding World.”
“Okay, that was some very suspicious phrasing you just chose, there.” Doc continued talking even as Vania dragged him towards the portal. “Nobody said this was a crossover, and I don't see where a Harry Potter story could take place other than oh my God we’re in outer space.”
Indeed, they were. The Potterverse version of Earth, geographically indistinguishable from World One’s, stretched out below the agents for a seemingly endless distance (with the British Isles facing them, appropriately enough). The moon loomed huge ahead of them, and the sun, still too far away to look any bigger, was somewhere behind them, allowing the agents vision.
Doc began to scream for a split second, but then clamped his mouth shut with his cheeks puffed out. He pressed his back to Vania and moved around her in a circle, flailing his arms. As his cheeks began to darken, he sank down at Vania’s feet, grasping at her hand briefly until the hand fell and he went still.
“Doc, please stand up. You're embarrassing me in front of all the celestial bodies.”
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"The Garden Spells Trouble"
This is going to be a weird interlude, even by PPC standards. It appeared in my head fully formed after I read Garden Spells by Sarah Addison Allen, an obscure little romance with a very light dash of urban fantasy. It's somewhere in between an interlude and a mission, and will finally reveal the Cafeteria Division's head after all these years. And will also connect to Phobos's Catastrophe Series, somehow. I doubt anyone was clamoring for Yoof and Séverine to get their own big episode, but uh. It's coming.
This story is actually ready for a third draft before betaing, but I've been putting it off since it takes place so far in the future from my current writing. I wanted to bang the whole thing out right after reading GS, so I didn't lose the idea.
Another unbetad excerpt:
Meanwhile, Yoof had been checking out what food was available. Uneaten food that required reheating had been carted back into the kitchens by the previous shift. (Nonperishable food was left out in the Cafeteria to keep agents occupied while new food was prepared. Less popular foods of this variety tended to sit out for weeks before either getting eaten by a desperate agent or managing to escape on its own.) The kitchens also featured massive walk-in pantries, refrigerators and freezers, containing various raw ingredients and unprepared food acquired from various fics and canons.
"What are our options today, Yoof? Sound off leftovers."
Yoof stood rigid and saluted. "From the leftovers! Slowpoke tail! Frosted guano! Meatloaf!"
Séverine rolled her eyes. Even all this time after the Blackout, the meatloaf was hardly getting touched. Didn't agents understand that not eating the meatloaf was what had caused Slorp in the first place? "And what other ingredients can we use?"
"From the freezer! Belgian fries! Sea salt ice cream! Maui's dolphin steak! Ants! Meatloaf!
"From the fridge! Spinning leek! Rukh eggs! Ham and jam and spam!"
"A lot?"
"Yes! Also, Superfast Jellyfish! A few good taters! Armored goat milk! Meatloaf!
"From the pantry! Dehydrated dextro-amino foods! Kupo Nuts and Deku Nuts! Beebles! Monkey biscuits! Some DHARMA supplies! Meatloaf!"
"Excellént, excellént." Séverine rubbed her hands together, mentally combining ingredients. She moved each of the mixing bowls to a separate counter. "We will put the guano and meatloaf back in the fridge. We need the food to be eaten this time." She paused again, glancing between the doors. "Okay. Yoof, I am going to begin mixing Kupo Nuts into dough. Please go knock some Beebles unconscious."
"Yes!" Yoof grabbed a large metal mallet from a corner and dragged it into the pantry, which was filled with tittering laughter. Unnervingly, the sound only increased with each loud thwack, but Séverine was too focused on mixing to notice.
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Gah, thanks for the reminder! by
on 2018-01-15 13:42:00 UTC
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And we have that little RP/interlude after "Thirty Hs," too.
Those excerpts look great, and I'm stoked for all of it!
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A few thing! by
on 2018-01-15 10:32:00 UTC
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Which are, uh, partially why I took so long to respond to this.
Also, procrastination.
By 'a few thing', what I actually mean is is that I have two main projects:
1. My first actual PPC story spinoff! Finally, after two years or so of being here, I've nearly got the spinoff, er, begun. Not to imply all that time was spent on that spinoff, because that would then imply that the thing has had more effort put into it than it has, therefore implying that it's better than it probably will be! That was mostly just finishing school, and, and trying to figure out what I was even doing and, uh, procrastinating.
It will consist of a bunch of short stories all connected to a larger one. It will have no missions or sues and it will be about an Operations division that's had basically nothing written about it.
Dos. A weekly prompts thingy with Alleb.
I would actually really recommend this, if you lot have troubles with motivating yourself to write things - it was for this reason that Alleb and I started doing it, after all! It's also useful for that whole worldbuilderitis thing, which was also partly why I started doing it.
It's essentially a workshopping thing - one of us will find a prompt, we each have a week to write a thing on that prompt, and at the end of the week, we look at each other's stories, and beta them. Repeat next week, with the other person finding the prompt.
Thus, you manage to:
- Get writing practice done (which is a bit important considering that the only way to get better at writing is to write things)
- Get a bit of betaing practice in
- Get your writing consistently critically looked at
And so on and so forth.
Also, you get to talk consistently to cool people about your stories. At least, I do.
I've been using it as a way to help me to further expand and look at my own original universe - using the prompts to write little vignettes within it. Which, of course, is very good for further developing it, and the like. -
Just a thing by
on 2018-01-15 01:18:00 UTC
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I've been writing bits and pieces of a PPC mission (that I probably won't publish) of a fic that I'm not sure is badfic-bad but otherwise has a Gary Stu, uncanon, contrivance issues, consistency issues, general stupidity, and writing that goes from being not so great to sounding pretentious.
Even though I might end up not publishing the mission, I'm writing it as an exercise and as a way to vent out my dislike on the stupid and annoying parts of the fic.
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So I've been working on this thing by
on 2018-01-15 00:57:00 UTC
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A number of months ago, a friend (hi Thoth) and I were discussing the horrors of A/B/O dynamics and I got so mad I decided to make something with A/B/O that wasn't horrible. It's nowhere near done, and there's no beta yet so of course it's kinda gross but here it is, I guess. :D Really the only reason I'm posting this is so I'll have a better incentive to keep writing it.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jXIp75yKyyNpYUiAIWD4qvfJOBKcpTYfVT7rkTbHWP4/edit
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It's looking good so far. by
on 2018-01-15 17:25:00 UTC
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Technically speaking, there's not that much to beta. I didn't spot a single SPaG error. That doesn't mean there are none, but still!
The only spots where I was actually confused were the bit about how long Reill's been a bard and a little bit of a pronoun problem.
The first: "'Ten years,' he said, smiling. 'Five years, if you count the traveling as part of it.'"
So... he's been a bard for less time if you include the travel? I don't get it.
The second: "And in that moment, Reill realized he loved him."
I think you're most likely saying Reill realizes he loves Hallow, but it could also be read as Reill realizing that Hallow loves him, given the previous line of description detailing how admiringly Hallow is looking at him. I think fixing it would involve turning the focus back to Reill.
The prose is maybe a bit stiff in places, a bit "there was this and then there was that," but it relaxes as you go, and you also have some beautiful descriptions that light up the world. I love the detail you put into the various regions, the foods of the South, the goods that come through Harrow's dock, and all of that.
As for the actual content? I like it! It's a very sweet and happy sort of world that Hallow lives in, up until the jerks turn up. Part of what makes this work better than your usual A/B/O fic is that this is (I think?) an original universe, where these are just the rules everyone is used to. You're not trying to stick these bizarre templates on characters who don't otherwise have them. You are also careful to remember that while people may fall into broad categories like, to take a real world example, "gay" or "straight," that doesn't mean everyone in the category thinks and acts the same. (Nor does everyone necessarily fit neatly into them in the first place, which may or may not be something you want to deal with; I'm just covering my butt.) Shockingly, we're all individuals!
As someone who is only familiar enough with A/B/O to know how deeply weird it is and that it has nothing to do with how wolves actually behave, I could use a little more information on what those categories mean in this world? I sorta get the impression that alphas are big and strong, and omegas are soft and pretty, and betas... actually betas haven't really come up at all yet. But on the other hand, I also appreciate that it's not treated as a terribly big deal; it just is. Like it would be if that's how the world worked.
I like how you've developed the relationship between Hallow and Reill so far. Objectively, it might've come to the point a bit quickly (three days, I think?), but it feels very natural nonetheless. Being able to talk to a person for hours, and feeling immediately comfortable in their presence, like they're an extension of yourself... that's how I fell in love with Phobos. So of course I like that. {= )
To answer Reill's question about happiness, have the quote from Moulin Rouge that immediately leapt into my head:
The greatest thing you'll ever learn
Is just to love and be loved in return.
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Good God, I'm in quite the pickle. by
on 2018-01-14 23:12:00 UTC
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I've come up with 5 different works for future Badfic Games and other joke badfics, but I haven't worked recently on anything legitimate I have. Oh dear. I need to go do that...
But if you guys want to know what any of my legitimate works are, I can elaborate.
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A couple of things. by
on 2018-01-13 22:31:00 UTC
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First and foremost, I continue to write my Magic: the Gathering blog. I'm rather proud that I've kept it up this long.
I'm also working on that Baron Phobos story that I keep saying is almost done. In my defense, it is more almost done than the last time I said it was almost done. So...
Also, I keep meaning to go back and figure out a way to take the suck out of this mission I've been writing. I should do that.
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The project list (and a question) by
on 2018-01-13 22:28:00 UTC
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Aka, the pile of files I have open that I could see getting bigger at some point.
- Honors thesis (the experiments are done, I just need to write the thing, due by May)
- An interlude set after the RP in which Kk'kttak fell into HQ (aka, the one where he's been arrested)
- Two short stories
- An effectively abandoned recruitment interlude for Peregrin (like, I might maybe get back to it eventually, but probably not anytime soon)
- A dormant Young Wizards/Animorphs crossover (... there's an outline! I have a plan! Sort of...)
And as to questions, do any of y'all have this problem where you sometimes get a project blocked by fleshing out the middle of a story? Like, you know where you are, you know where you'd like to end up, and you have a general notion of how to get from here to there, but you need much more detail than that to write the thing. If so, how do you deal with it?
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The "Middle Section Lull" by
on 2018-01-14 02:14:00 UTC
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I end up with that middle section lull pretty often, since I find that starting a story and finishing it are the easiest parts. It's everything inbetween that I find is the most difficult, or finding a way to connect the scenes that I've got a clear idea how to write. It's the scenes that connect those scenes that I have the most difficult time writing, myself.
I've got a fairly simple method that I find works for me when I hit the scenes that act as glue to hold the other scenes together. It's not very efficient, but I find it works when all else fails. I usually try to take off on different tangents with one guiding rule: they must get me to or get me closer to the next bullet-point in my outline. From there I just try to write as many of those as I possibly can in the shortest amount of time without regard for their quality and produce as many tangents as I possibly can. In a way it's almost like NaNoWriMo, except rather than going for word count, I'm going for anything that will at least get me closer. In some cases I might just even write the tangents in point form.
After I do a enough of these, I find that one of them just works or clicks and I get that 'aha!' moment that I've been hoping to get. Or I can even put two or more together that I like. From there, once I have at least something visualized and a few words, it's a simple enough process to rewrite and rework that tangent into something that I won't immediately feel ashamed of.
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What I've been up to by
on 2018-01-13 17:17:00 UTC
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Hey Thoth,
I recall you've seen my own sort of take-on-the-PPC-that-isn't-a-PPC-spinoff; I've considered rewriting it to more closely resemble the PPC continuity since. Unfortunately, some of the elements conflict too much with what's established and existing to make it compatible with the PPC continuity, so Watanabe & Smith has unfortunately been in limbo for the past little bit and I'd like to discuss the direction I'm going in with other people. I'm currently leaning toward continuing on the road I'm on, and just keeping the disclaimer that it's not endorsed in any fashion by the PPC.
I've also been working on writing a couple essays and how-tos that I also intend to put on my website for different pieces of advice. One that I've thought to add includes a more expansive take on what I'm calling the "micro-story" method of describing a character or as an exercise to brainstorm when building a character. I've mentioned it here before although it was on the tailing end of another discussion. It's a method of using small, short descriptions of what your character does or has done, rather than use adjectives. I find that adjectives are inherently subjective and open to a wide amount of interpretation depnding on who you describe your character to and in many cases can be extrapolated to fit almost any character at all, wheras what they do say much more about them. That's why I champion the "micro-story" method so much and why I like to share it with other people. After that, we'll see what else I have to offer.
Unrelatedly, I might add some musings on the (extremely sad) state of computer security at the consumer level and some tips to stay safe at a later date.
Even though things have been going much more slowly than I'd like, I wanted to mention that they're still going.
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Oooh, character vignettes! Those are fun. =] (nm) by
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On "Micro Stories" and describing a character by
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Indeed they are, and much more informative.
For instance, it's one thing for me to tell you "My character likes to speak her mind and can be arrogant but knows when to shut up and be humble too." That really doesn't tell you anything and I can extrapolate that into ways that the author who tells that to me might never have intended. It doesn't do anything for the character. Despite that, lines like that are some of the most irritatingly common ways I see people try to sell me on their characters.
But if I told you something along the lines of "My character is very outspoken when it comes to her political views, but remembers to be diplomatic and polite when discussing them with strangers." or "My character loves to show off her knowledge about space and astrophysics to other people, but whenever someone brings up the science of economics she immediately knows to shut up and listen." That tells you as someone that's going to be evaluating the character a lot more, and also give me more to launch into, without being appreciably longer than the first example I gave.
This kind of approach is something I first found encouraged in online speed dating profiles, where getting as much information in as few words as possible across is more important than anything else, since you only have a couple seconds (if that) to make the best impression you can. This is the same method, but adapted to describing a fictional character.
The best part is, those kinds of pitches also can be used to branch off and provide starting points to talk about other things that has to do with your character.
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Imma dabbling in my own universe by
on 2018-01-13 16:49:00 UTC
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And by that I mean I'm stuck in the World Builder's Syndrome, unable to even write an opening, but spending hours nitpicking every possible aspect of my universe.
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A song! by
on 2018-01-13 16:26:00 UTC
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The first bit of this popped into my head almost fully formed while I was in the shower a few days ago, and the second bit followed fairly easily. Then I spoke about it with a friend of mine who is a songwriter, and she's going to help me make it into an actual song next month. Apparently February is album-writing month. ^_^
First two verses on my dA. I'm holding off on sharing any more until I know what the final form is really going to be. The title (new today!) may not be the final title, either, but it's what I like right now.
Also:
- 1 active cowrite
- 3 dormant ones (one of which will become active again whenever hS can work it in; dunno about the other two)
- 1 interlude set in the near-ish future
- 1 regular mission, barely begun
- 1 epic sorta-filk
- Been thinking about working on my Skyrim stuff again. I chugged out many, many words, some of which might not suck!
All the irons. All the fires.
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Do you do February Album Writing Month? (nm) by
on 2018-01-14 00:26:00 UTC
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I do not. by
on 2018-01-14 01:10:00 UTC
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I read music, sorta, but I don't compose music. Which is why I need a friend to help me with that. {= )
I'm also not enough of a poet/lyricist to whip up a whole album's worth of pieces in one month, if that would even count. I don't know; I've only just heard of it.
Is that something anyone around here does, or might want to do, though? That would be cool to see.
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Yeah, I do it every year! =] (nm) by
on 2018-01-14 01:12:00 UTC
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Still trying to figure out characters for a Permission run. by
on 2018-01-13 01:27:00 UTC
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Yes, really. I know I haven't actually edited the document in over a year, but Real Life happened and then I decided to get rid of one character because they were pretty flat. I'm just trying to think of a good character to replace him, then I'll have to re-do the prompts.
I haven't been writing much lately, and nothing for here, but I'm definitely thinking about the problem and hope to have a few concepts down Soon(tm). -
I have been writing: Things! by
on 2018-01-12 18:46:00 UTC
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In a less facetious sense, I've been working on stuff for my degree. My first major assignment, a 1500 word essay and accompanying 500 word critical reflection concerning how colonialist ideology affects writers of speculative fiction, was handed in a few days ago. It went well! I... think. =]
Other than that, well, I've been tidying up Trenchbreakers, working on my first actual literary book review (a compare-and-contrast article about Rivers Of London and Full Dark House), polishing a new division's introduction, hammering together the next couple of Doktor Trollenfisch und Gabrielle missions, thinking about an interlude involving Algie and Lola, and putting together a plan for my next Wobbles and Notary PPC Power Hour.
Also: would anyone be averse to me swiping teaching material from my course and posting it to the Board as writing advice? It might help people out. =] -
Colonial ideologies by
on 2018-01-14 03:38:00 UTC
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I'm quite interested in this, even though I'm not involved in social studies or any literary analysis and have no formal education in literature or fiction. I'd really be down for seeing some of those course materials, and advice from real, trained, educated professionals!
One of the things that really strikes me about colonial attitudes is how readily we see parallels to it in science fiction and fantasy. When we start painting people green, give them tusks, and call them Orcs I sometimes wonder where the line is between a bit of harmless fantasy fun and making a caricature for "savages" or "primitives" much the same way I'm guessing some of the early explorers may have felt during the scramble for Africa and the Americas. Sometimes the caricature isn't so bald-faced when laser guns, space ships, and aliens add a fresh coat of sci-fi paint overtop it but it's still there. I've fallen into this trap of numerous times without meaning to and only realized it when someone called me out on it. So I'd be very interested to read what you have to have to say about the matter.
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That all sounds awesome. by
on 2018-01-13 16:32:00 UTC
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I'd be interested in reading the essay and reflection, if you're able to share it.
Also interested in writing advice!
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Cool! by
on 2018-01-14 18:19:00 UTC
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That was an interesting read. I struggled a bit to make the connection between colonialism (which I understand as the act of going out and taking over places that don't belong to you—does it carry other connotations?) and white ascendancy generally, but I got there.
You succeeded in making me want to go read Griots and Steamfunk!, because SFF anthologies are cool, and ones that offer fresh perspectives are even cooler.
You also succeeded in making me irritated with the Felicity Savages of the world, who don't seem to see the inherent hypocrisy of asking people not to care about seeing themselves on the page while insisting that they only ever see themselves. I'm sorry, who is being narcissistic? Jeez. Just a little critical thinking would go such a long way.
The only thing that really jarred me was the mention of Sad Pupp[y] at the end. That's not something you discussed in the body of the essay, so throwing it in at the end is confusing. But since I'm not your teacher, I can just ask: what is Sad Puppy?
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Sad Puppies by
on 2018-01-14 23:20:00 UTC
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Sad Puppies is essentially a voting campaign that tries to influence the outcome of the Hugo Awards. People involved basically nominate books that don't contain "heavy handed messages", and believe the Hugo Awards focus too much on "forced diversity" and social issues. Basically they are the Gamergate and alt right of the literary world. Here are a couple of articles about them.
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Thanks! by
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Thanks! I'll have a look.
I'm not sure I can offer much feedback or discussion on it, since again, I don't have any sort of background in these sorts of things, but I'll be glad to read this.
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The suns never set on the human empire... by
on 2018-01-12 23:13:00 UTC
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The mention of an essay on SF colonialism caught my eye. I personally think there is nothing morally reprehensible about establishing settlements on uninhabited worlds. In the unlikely event that a probe found a world which already supported life, greater caution would have to be taken, we can't have Terran viruses destroying a whole ecosystem.
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Not really what the essay was driving at. by
on 2018-01-13 01:29:00 UTC
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It was more about how colonialist ideology in our world has impacted specfic writing, particularly colonialist ideas about race and ethnostates.
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Re: Not really what the essay was driving at. by
on 2018-01-14 02:47:00 UTC
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I appear to have misunderstood the meaning of the phrase 'colonialist ideologies' in this context.