Subject: Can I use Barid the troll for my permission attempt? (nm)
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Posted on: 2017-12-08 23:02:00 UTC
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Help with some character problems, please. by
on 2017-12-06 15:57:00 UTC
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I'm having trouble getting a handle on my one character. She's a World of Warcraft gnome warrior. I kinda want her to be meta enough to know about corpse-runs and gearscore and being aware that she turned in VanCleef's head but can go back to the instance and kill him again.
My inspirations
http://www.darklegacycomics.com/165
http://goblinscomic.com/comic/07102005
A bit of Wreck-It Ralph.
I can't figure out the philosophy behind disconnecting and going AFK. How much of her personality is her, and how much is the player. Why would she go running down a road past mobs that she can't see the level of to get to a flight point when she shouldn't know that there is a FP there...
One of her hobbies is getting into the "behind" places. In Vanilla, there are a lot of places where the textures and terrain were just not polished because you're not supposed to be there. I want her to get to PPC headquarters by falling through the unfinished tunnel near the Ironforge airport.
I have figured out that she's not too keen on trusting technology. On the server I play on, there was a bug where her mechnostrider would constantly malfunction. I also want to have a story about the time she fell off the deeprun tram and had to run down the tunnel. -
Apologies, but I am having prompts troubles. by
on 2017-12-12 00:12:00 UTC
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I got "one partner gives up something important for the other" or something like that.
I'm thinking that Tocly gives up her "Ring of the Tortoise" by passing it off as a Suevian important jewelery.
I'm having trouble figuring out what Maddie would want from the general store that would be that valuable... she can get media from the library, Tocly has enough weapons to loan her a good one, it would take a lot of junk food to be worth trying to trade a heavy ring for...
I guess it doesn't fufill the prompt because it's not important to Tocly. She was just holding onto it because she wasn't sure about the armor/ defense tradeoff.
What I'm getting from the prompt is a chance for Tocly to describe the quest where she go the ring. -
Apologies and a little bit of Permission Discussion by
on 2017-12-09 19:30:00 UTC
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I just read the talk page on Permission.
I apologize for asking for public feedback on my character concept. I didn't realize that was wrong.
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It seems like people were talking about making the page easier to read by making it more concise? Right now, there seems to be a lot of information and I can see someone missing something important because it's buried. Or just forgetting something because there's so much to absorb even if they do read every word.
Someone also mentioned that it was confusing? I can see them getting caught up on whether or not you need to use the prompts because the FAQ seems to indicate that it's okay not to use them but people would rather that you did use them. Is it leftover from an old version of the process? (I think I once read a complaint that all the requests started sounding the same because of the prompts.)
I don't have any examples handy, but it the past I've had an idea for something to happen, and the story turns away from that moment for something completely different but good. Well, my Supernatural fic was going to end one way, but that changed when I haven't even gotten to that scene, and it will probably change again. One story that I didn't write down was about something in the middle of the ocean that caused all sea life to leave and a ship going to investigate. All I could come up with was a story about two sailors watching dolphins and talking about their families with no mention about the phenomenon they were going to go study.
The first prompt I rolled had me a bit worried because I really couldn't figure out how my characters were going to do one and the other one is possible but I have reasons to reject it. I found another prompt set where I feel I could try both of them. (I won't go into more detail unless you agree to ignore the cheating.) -
Can I use Barid the troll for my permission attempt? (nm) by
on 2017-12-08 23:02:00 UTC
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How about you stick to free to use characters? by
on 2017-12-09 01:44:00 UTC
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Co-writes are great in the future, but we're not interested in seeing PGs' characters in your Permission attempt, because this is about how well you can write, not how well they can write.
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Borrowing a character isn't necessarily a co-write. by
on 2017-12-09 04:13:00 UTC
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It could be something like, say, Rina happening to run into Ilraen that one time: incidental, yet serving to provide characterization by the main character(s)' reaction. That wouldn't be a bad thing, and Phobos would barely even have to look at it.
Makkara, what exactly did you have in mind?
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What I had in mind... (spoilers) by
on 2017-12-09 11:16:00 UTC
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Well, first off, this might end up just in private scraps if I don't like how it turns out.
I was looking through agents that were native to World of Warcraft and Barid is about the worst person for her to run into first. She's killed a lot more trolls than blood elves, after all.
There is Kur'nak if he's suddenly wandering around without Durotar... I can't picture how meeting Durotar would work.
Voltarmi might be interesting. Everyone else is Alliance side.
I'm not really intending violence. A tense moment where Barid is prepared to cast mind control, but Teacup should relax as soon as she hears him speaking common. (His translator works like that, right?) -
All right, here's the deal... by
on 2017-12-09 20:41:00 UTC
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I will allow for the use of Barid in your permission request. The caveat to that is that I don't want to remove myself from the potential PG pool (in case we need a WoW expert), so I won't be your beta.
Good luck, and know that I won't judge too harshly if you get his accent wrong.
-Phobos, available for questions at baridthetroll(at)gmail(dot)com -
Thanks, and I'll definitely get his accent wrong. by
on 2017-12-09 21:34:00 UTC
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I don't like heavy dialects. I don't have a problem with peppering in phonetic words for flavor, but mostly it will be properly spelled.
https://www.helpingwritersbecomeauthors.com/most-common-mistakes-dos-and-donts-of/ This covers my readability quibbles.
The other part is kinda... well I wish I could dig up a good article on it. Mangling the spelling to express their accent can convey them as "less than" someone who speaks something similar enough to the queen's English to have it expressed with proper spelling.
"Trolling for a cause" doesn't seem to be linked from Barid's character page. Are there any other stories about him that are floating around?
I also apologize if I don't get his characterization close enough.
I'm kinda picturing his "mountain climbing, swimming, and going places where he really has no business being" as a more realistic interpretation of Teacup's tendency to get into the behind places where the texture seams are noticeable. -
I was going to say "be careful with meta" but then... by
on 2017-12-08 01:24:00 UTC
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I realized that most of the overpowered meta characters are the ones that can actually manipulate the world outside the game, and that where you're going is a good direction to go with it. However, characters can also be Mary Sue or just really annoying when they only are aware of everything else, so you have to set a good limit for how much your character knows (or has a gut feeling to do, guessing by your word choice) that the player knows. For instance, if the player uses online guides, from my perspective, she should know some of the strategies the player picks up, but nothing about whatever NPCs there are that she didn't learn from in-universe experiences (motives, etc.) I remember being part of a collaborative work back on Scratch where I (deciding to function as a villain) stated my in-universe motives in the comments of a project and another guy (functioning as a prominent protagonist) made his in-universe self know them a couple remixes later, even though I hadn't said anything in-universe about them. It wiped out all the drama and conflict of the side plot that I wanted to create in the span of one line of dialogue, and it was just frustrating. So yeah. Don't make your character know any NPC's motivations, that's Sue territory.
The whole thing about saves and reloads is tricky territory to navigate. I suggest you analyze some Undertale characters, canon and original, to get a feel of where that works and where it doesn't.
I do like where you're going with the gut-instinct thing (and if that's not what you were going for, then consider that my suggestion!) This seems like an interesting idea for a character, and I have a feeling that since we all care about how well we write, this will come out well (even if you must make a few errors to get there.)
-Twistey -
Re: I was going to say "be careful with meta" but then... by
on 2017-12-08 10:18:00 UTC
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I'm probably going to write the meta as "there are leveling guides that they can get in-game" and acknowledge that she's not using a full one. Some people use a book called "Atlas Loot" to talk about what what different bosses drop.
In Dark Legacy, there was actually a character that was named WoWhead. http://www.darklegacycomics.com/105 In Flintlocke's Guide to Azeroth, one character yelled for a laptop so she could look up the quest.
Someone could have talked to her about where good leveling zones were and how to find the flightpoints, with some inaccurate information if I remembered something wrong. This also covers anything I learned on an alt, though realistically it could have been things directly told to her by a guildie. (Guild chat and general chat, meta information is that she has a miniature buzzbox.)
My druid did once get an in-game mail from a trainer that said "talk to me when you've reached the 16th level."
I'm not going to have her remember anything about switching to an alt when guildies were calling for dungeon runs. When she mails things to alts, it's the same as sending stuff to a guildie that could use it.
That actually reminds me of something I did in-game that fits with her story. My guildie was requesting bear flesh to level up her cooking. I remembered that I got through those levels by fishing in Feralas. When I mailed her the fish, I included information on where to find the recipes in the mail.
I noticed that WoW bags still seem to work within PPC. I assume they are physically small and can hold an entire set of armor without being heavy. Maybe they work more like bags of holding? In-universe, I think Trojie might have had a Bag that was made in DoSAT.
I've also heard of PPC characters who can read the Words during interludes to get insight into what their partner is feeling. I might play with that a little bit. -
Seems good to me, but I don't know too much about WoW. (nm) by
on 2017-12-09 18:16:00 UTC
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Ooh! Ooh! I have some ideas! by
on 2017-12-07 22:55:00 UTC
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Part of it depends on how meta you want her to be and how YOU want to write it, what you feel comfortable with and such. It would be tricky to be in a situation that you can't describe very well in words, despite it working out in your head.
On one side of the scale is strange compulsions and urges. She might say something like, "The other day, I had this strange urge to dash through a dangerous part of the world. Most of the monsters there would have killed me, but I just did it. I don't know why. I stumbled upon a flight point, which was convenient, but I couldn't think of anything else to do so I went home."
Then in the middle is the Dark Legacy stuff. She would know stuff respawning, debuffs, and corpse running, but not that she's part of a game. It would just be everyday to her. In the real world, she might say something like "Wow, everything's open-world! There aren't any instance portals or loading time!" She'd sort of blank out and forget what she was talking about and say she went AFK, or she might get drunk and pass out, then say that she disconnected.
On the other side, there's full awareness. Maybe she knows that she's being controlled and just assumes that this is life, or she resents her player. When the servers go offline, she complains with other characters about level grinding and how she really wants a new transmog.
Or maybe she's the only one who knows she's a game character. She would walk up to a random guy and say, "Hey, your gearscore is awful" and he would just walk away and say she was crazy. She would be one of those people who goes to bars and says to random people, "Do you ever wonder if you're a character in a game, and your choices are being made by someone else?" before being kicked out after the seventeenth time. Basically the resident crazy person/conspiracy theorist. -
Re: Ooh! Ooh! I have some ideas! by
on 2017-12-07 23:55:00 UTC
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*nod* Thanks. I'm still kinda iffy on how she is.
I tried writing out her life as if she had a backstory before becoming an adventurer and then suddenly there was another presence in her head influencing her... I didn't like it. The backstory I wanted conflicted with lore anyway, according to some RP guides I read.
I'm kinda feeling that who she is was unstable when she hit the PPC... Kinda the threads of a person, who I imagine her to be when playing without really getting a coherent person formed. Basically make her be a collection of random traits before she fell through the plothole and then only "wake up" afterwards. Maybe there would be some scraps of her player leftover, but she doesn't know what a TV is.
It's like when writing a character. I can say "this person did this" for chapters, then suddenly they start talking to me and telling me who they are after I've been working with them. The surprises can be disconcerting.
When I was playing WoW commercial years ago, my previous Gnome warrior was very angry and stubborn. She actually whined at me about not wanting to participate in Hodir's Daily Euphemisms just to get a gem recipe. My other characters were more laid-back. My paladin was a complete stoner who would just sorta zone-out and not pay attention to anything while swinging his mace. -
Probably something less so, then? by
on 2017-12-08 06:22:00 UTC
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Maybe her waking up somewhere strange is the side effect of being a deleted character. Maybe her player was hacked and she was deleted, sending her through the plothole. If she ever met her player again, she'd be surprised to learn just how much they know about her, like "Wait, how do you know I like to jump over the cracks in the tiles."
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Re: Probably something less so, then? by
on 2017-12-08 09:27:00 UTC
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One thing that I don't want to do is have her meet her player, or for her player to really be able to recognize her. I think I'm going to go with how she didn't have much of a personality when she came to the PPC, and FicPsych actually renamed her when she was there because her old name was offensive.
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PSA: FicPsych cannot give your character a personality. by
on 2017-12-09 04:19:00 UTC
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I know it's my own fault that people keep doing this, but see Memory Implant Device for what FicPsych can actually do to aid a severely underdeveloped character.
They'd be happy to help with the name, though. {= )
~Neshomeh, writer of most of FicPsych. -
Well... by
on 2017-12-09 11:40:00 UTC
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She'd probably wind up in HQ presenting as someone who's straight from the memory-whatsit. She has memories, at least.
My dad had an audiobook called "TimeQuake" that I kept half-hearing while doing other things. It talked about how when the repeat ended, people couldn't adjust to suddenly having free will again. Many people ended up falling over at the bottom of escalators, while the other hemisphere had less injuries because everyone was in bed.
She's not going to freeze up when she hits HQ. I'm thinking that while the "reality" of the PPC is more forgiving than a Reality Room, it's still going to start tweaking her fundamental nature. She's going to lose some abilities and have to re-learn others, though she still will have the muscle-memory for her simpler attacks. -
Beta request by
on 2017-12-06 20:18:00 UTC
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It's for Supernatural. I don't have a strict time when it happens, but it's before they meet Castiel.
I'm basing the story off of https://www.e-reading.club/chapter.php/80526/12/McCaffrey-Getoffthe_Unicorn.html
It's not done, but I have a feeling that what I have is garbage and needs serious re-working before I continue.
Also, the research I'm doing kinda makes me thing that Anne didn't spend much time researching that short story. I'm hoping no one notices the mistakes. -
Re: Beta request by
on 2017-12-08 04:54:00 UTC
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I can't offer much advice on the PPC itself since I'm very new here, but I could look over your stuff for general readability, formatting, and style, and maybe help clean that up if you're interested. I also like Supernatural's earlier seasons. I haven't seen all of it yet, and unfortunately I'm pretty new to the PPC itself, so that's about all I can offer at this point, but it might give you something to work from.
I'm available via Matrix, XMPP, Ricochet, and PGP, and I have Etherpad installed on Matrix. I wouldn't mind trying my hand at beta reading. Let me know and I can link you to my website that has my contact information. (I didn't think it would be polite of me to send unsolicited links).
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Re: Beta request by
on 2017-12-08 10:23:00 UTC
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Hmmm, my email is arbitrary.blogs at gmail.
"Matrix, XMPP, Ricochet, and PGP, and I have Etherpad installed on Matrix."
I have no idea what those are so you're going to have to give me instructions and possibly wait for my admin if I need new software.
I have the story posted in google docs. Shoot me an email and I can send you a link? -
Sent. (nm) by
on 2017-12-08 23:27:00 UTC
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Thanks (nm) by
on 2017-12-09 21:35:00 UTC
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