Oh yeah, elfs is tall.

Subject: Oh yeah, elfs is tall.
Author: Huinesoron
Posted on: 2022-06-29 12:52:44 UTC

To quote me from elsewhere:

"Thingol "appeared as it were a lord of the Maiar, his hair as grey silver, tallest of all the Children of Ilúvatar; and a high doom was before him." (Silm, Of Eldamar...) That makes him taller than Turin, of whom the Noldo Gwindor said "Very tall he was, as tall as are the Men from the misty hills of Hithlum" (Silm, Of Turin...); and indeed taller than the Numenoreans, of whom Tolkien wrote "they were tall, taller than the tallest of the sons of Middle-earth" (Silm, Akallabeth), which makes them taller than Turin, too. I think this explains why Maedhros "the Tall" never visited Doriath - he would have felt like a shrimp!"

And Penlod of Gondolin is the tallest of the Noldor, so Maedhros is at most the third tallest elf. His brother is, presumably, shorter than him.

As a baseline for actual heights, Third Age Dunedain averaged 6'4'' (ie two Rangar. Elendil the Tall (tallest Numenorean to escape the Downfall) was about 2.5 Rangar, so 7'11''. That makes Thingol at least 8', and presumably significantly taller, because "tallest of all the Children of Iluvatar (by a whole inch)" doesn't exactly flow.

Tolkien Gateway has this image of Tar-Miriel. That picture is about right for an average (5'3'' - 5'5'') servant and a Royal Numenorean (7'6'' upwards) Miriel, and really emphasises how alien these nigh-immortal rulers were. I'm assuming the Amazon series will tone them down by a couple of feet.

But yeah, in theory Dafydd is about 7', but in practice I picture him no more than a head taller than his wife, ie 6'4'' or so. Perhaps he slouches. Agent Huinesoron is a gangly 7' something though.

I'm not posting height charts, because the pictures scale horizontally too, and I don't like elves who are broad enough to be Space Marines. My general technique for drawing elves and hobbits is just to add or remove lower torso length; it works best when they're in dresses or robes!

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New mission! And you say you got silver balls?! by Kі nо Shirayuki on 2022-06-26 14:22:06 UTC Writing Reply

In an all-new mission by the Four Demonly Kings into a boring Gintama fic loaded with canon rehashing, Kaguya is still not quite right, and something surprising happens at the end.

re: mission by doctorlit on 2022-07-04 22:28:29 UTC Reply

You definitely came up with some clever ways to, uh, use Kaguya's body . . . uh . . . but yeah, very creative, and it worked out well with the lack of textures in the Word World. That fic was indeed boring, so I'm glad you gave the canon characters a chance to break away and shine in the end!

—doctorlit, eating a late lunch

Thanks for the comment 😉 by Kі nо Shirayuki on 2022-07-05 07:20:03 UTC Reply

As I said below, Gintama is high on my list of must-see manga/anime series 🤭

Have read by Tomash on 2022-07-03 03:43:36 UTC Reply

I don't know much of anything about the continuum and so can't say too much here, but giving the canons knowledge of the PPC because of how much canon breaks the fourth wall is a neat choice.

In that case, by Kі nо Shirayuki on 2022-07-03 05:06:47 UTC Reply

I'd totally recommend Gintama to you; I guarantee it'll be one of the funniest things you've ever read/watched.

By the way, height charts! by Kі nо Shirayuki on 2022-06-28 02:32:44 UTC Reply

After making and adding a height chart for my agents to their spin-off page, I suppose it'd be fun too for all of us to make our own charts for our agents as well. The generator is heightcomparison.com which supports both metric and Imperial; so, how tall are your agents?

Y'know, why not? by OrangeFox on 2022-06-29 14:44:17 UTC Edited Reply

Hopefully this link works, but if it still doesn't (which is probably the case), then I'm not really sure what to do anymore. Um.

For those interested anyway, Charlie is 6'6" (198 cm) and Jiwon is 5'5" (165 cm). Ocotillo and Dr. Glocktopus didn't work for the graph, but the former, being a dragon and whatnot, is over twenty feet tall (10 meters and 66 cm) while the latter is the size of a normal giant Pacific octopus (small).

Sorry about the link.

I use imgbb by Kі nо Shirayuki on 2022-06-30 05:56:04 UTC Reply

where you can upload without an account, and doesn't have a search engine or allow search engines to index their contents, which is great when you want to keep your contents private and/or only accessible to people you share links to.
You can just try a google Doc. by Linstar on 2022-06-29 15:12:13 UTC Reply

Like I have here for Mina and Carlisle.

Helpful?
If you’re looking to embed, by Lily Winterwood on 2022-06-29 15:08:40 UTC Reply

it should be < img src = "link" width="width" / > (remove spaces, except between “img src”). You can link from Discord and anywhere else that gives you direct links to images.

(Hopefully that’s what you’re looking for?)

Still not working for some reason? by OrangeFox on 2022-06-29 15:28:57 UTC Reply

Honestly though, I'm not, like, too invested in getting this to work, so I might just leave it as is.

It may be because of where you’re linking from. by Lily Winterwood on 2022-06-29 21:45:28 UTC Reply

GDrive, etc links can’t be embedded like this. If you uploaded to a site like Tumblr or Discord (but, iirc, not Twitter? maybe?) you can get a direct link to embed that does work, though. But if this isn’t something you care about too much, that’s fine!

~Lily, who sort of wishes she could just directly post pictures on the Board but knows the hosting abilities for pictures can get unwieldy really fast

We have… by Lily Winterwood on 2022-06-29 05:38:44 UTC Edited Reply

My Action department folks (well, some retired, but —). Liu Siyuan’s height is the same as Simon Gong’s because I use him as an approximate face/physique claim. Eledhwen is a wee bit taller — but I shortened her from her height on the wiki (she can’t be taller than Galadriel who is 6’4!) and should probably fix that, lol.

The Shieh-Elerossiel household. Muriel is the height of an average British 8 year old girl; John is a little bit shorter for an average Chinese 14 year old boy, because his origin fic said he was “petite”.

Zhenjieyuan. I do find I frequently exaggerate their heights in art though, like in:

Like, that’s just comically off!
Ooh, fun! by Neshomeh on 2022-06-29 04:30:58 UTC Reply

Here's Nume and Ilraen (in human morph):

Here's Gall and Derik with Thoth thrown in for fun:

And here's the crew of the good ship Bonny Robin at present ages. ^_^

I got the boys' heights by reverse-projecting from what I think will be their adult heights using this chart. The keen-eyed will note that Simon is going to be about 6'4" when he grows up. Why? Because his parents (Snape and Dumbledore) are 6'1" and 6'3" and that's what this mid-parental height calculator suggests. Wild, innit? I'm not entirely sure where Dumbledore's height being 6'3" comes from, 'cause the HP wiki says something else, but IDK, it fits my mental image?

~Neshomeh

More fun: 2012 AHAIRQ teams. (BL 1 for a certain agent's name.) by Neshomeh on 2022-06-30 06:07:15 UTC Reply

Because I wanted to do members of FicPsych, but the chart only allows six figures, and each AHAIRQ team has six members, which made narrowing it down easy. I had characters on three of the five teams formed for the 2012 season, so naturally I had to make a chart for each team.

First up, Team Physical Therapy, composed entirely of FicPsych nurses. Team Captain Mirrad is a Minbari (Babylon 5), but the rest are various flavors of human. They're a pretty average lot, really. Nathonea's height is a guess, but I imagine her being kinda tall and gangly.

Then there's Team Blast Hardcheese, co-captained by Derik and Gall. It's an all-human team, but it has an ex-dragonrider and a Scythian warrior on it. They'd be formidable if they could actually function as a team. I had to guess Saline and Noir's heights: Saline is "one or two sizes" smaller than Ellipsia (a Warcraft human who'd be about 5'8" according to game information), and Noir is "tall." I feel pretty okay with this.

Finally, Team Nevermind, which has precisely one human on it. Team Captain Earwig is a Kender (Dragonlance). Kur'nak, Barid, and Brightbeard are an Orc, Troll, and Dwarf respectively (World of Warcraft), and it must be noted that Barid habitually slouches; if he stood upright, he'd be 7'1". Ilraen actually plays in his Andalite (Animorphs) form, so I should have made him 6'1" for this chart, but oh well. Decima is a witch from the Potterverse and likely thrilled not to be the shortest person here.

There, that gives a broader sampling of adult agents' heights, too. {= )

~Neshomeh
Ladies and gentlemen, I think we've found the tallest humanoid agent (nm) by Kі nо Shirayuki on 2022-06-29 10:11:15 UTC Reply

Tolkien's elves can get around this tall. by Lily Winterwood on 2022-06-29 10:27:03 UTC Reply

Agent Naergondir is also 7 feet. I dunno how tall Dafydd is, but he's whatever height Maglor is. In terms of Tolkien's canon there's speculation that Elu Thingol was around 8 or 9 feet tall.

Oh yeah, elfs is tall. by Huinesoron on 2022-06-29 12:52:44 UTC Reply

To quote me from elsewhere:

"Thingol "appeared as it were a lord of the Maiar, his hair as grey silver, tallest of all the Children of Ilúvatar; and a high doom was before him." (Silm, Of Eldamar...) That makes him taller than Turin, of whom the Noldo Gwindor said "Very tall he was, as tall as are the Men from the misty hills of Hithlum" (Silm, Of Turin...); and indeed taller than the Numenoreans, of whom Tolkien wrote "they were tall, taller than the tallest of the sons of Middle-earth" (Silm, Akallabeth), which makes them taller than Turin, too. I think this explains why Maedhros "the Tall" never visited Doriath - he would have felt like a shrimp!"

And Penlod of Gondolin is the tallest of the Noldor, so Maedhros is at most the third tallest elf. His brother is, presumably, shorter than him.

As a baseline for actual heights, Third Age Dunedain averaged 6'4'' (ie two Rangar. Elendil the Tall (tallest Numenorean to escape the Downfall) was about 2.5 Rangar, so 7'11''. That makes Thingol at least 8', and presumably significantly taller, because "tallest of all the Children of Iluvatar (by a whole inch)" doesn't exactly flow.

Tolkien Gateway has this image of Tar-Miriel. That picture is about right for an average (5'3'' - 5'5'') servant and a Royal Numenorean (7'6'' upwards) Miriel, and really emphasises how alien these nigh-immortal rulers were. I'm assuming the Amazon series will tone them down by a couple of feet.

But yeah, in theory Dafydd is about 7', but in practice I picture him no more than a head taller than his wife, ie 6'4'' or so. Perhaps he slouches. Agent Huinesoron is a gangly 7' something though.

I'm not posting height charts, because the pictures scale horizontally too, and I don't like elves who are broad enough to be Space Marines. My general technique for drawing elves and hobbits is just to add or remove lower torso length; it works best when they're in dresses or robes!

hS

Naw, the chart doesn't get anywhere near wide enough for a Space Marine. by Neshomeh on 2022-06-29 15:23:32 UTC Reply

Thoth is on the small side for a Marine, and he should still be at least half again as broad across the shoulders. Like so:

As opposed to like so:

So basically what I'm saying is dooo it, dooo it, dooo it...! ^_~

~Neshomeh

Yeah, so I didn't really like the silhouettes the site gave me. by Huinesoron on 2022-07-01 22:43:45 UTC Reply

So I made my own. ^_^

Constance's height I knew. Dafydd is a head taller. Huinesoron is average elf height. Morgan I suddenly realised is funnier if she's short (though I think she's still close to average). Kaitlyn has made herself on the tall side for a Hobbit lady, possibly because she doesn't want to be below Selene-wolf's shoulders.

(This chart also serves to illustrate why elf/Hobbit romances are O.O)

hS
My characters always end up short... by Thoth on 2022-06-30 15:43:48 UTC Reply

...Because I try to avoid making them absurdly tall and have no sense of average height.

When Ix dragged me into trying out FFXIV, I didn't make my Miqo'te max height, and as a result he is shorter than Ix in real life (we know this because Ix made their character the same height as they are in real life)

I almost made one for the Tinker Bell recruits, by Kі nо Shirayuki on 2022-07-02 03:01:17 UTC Reply

then I remembered they're teeny tiny fairies 😅

I've come to the conclusion by Kі nо Shirayuki on 2022-06-29 13:08:08 UTC Reply

that most PPC agents are tall as dleck.

You know what? Fudge it, I'll throw in the rest of my characters. by Kittyauthor on 2022-06-29 14:24:12 UTC Edited Reply

RC [bunch of numbers I'm too lazy to translate into text right now] has three agents: Kittyauthor (short ex-Mii), O'Ryan Keys (first ever agent I created), and Crow Ressa (Werewolf).

... and I apparently don't have a Wiki page for Crow writes down on hand, next to mission idea. Oh well, I think I know her height?

(It's not listed in anything dangit.)

Anyways, here it is!

(Apologies for the size again!)

As for my main three of CPP, here they are!

As for Flowers... I have a question: how tall are the Flowers in HQ?

-kA

That reminds me, by Kі nо Shirayuki on 2022-06-29 10:36:54 UTC Reply

Lee Pace is 196 cm. Are we sure this man isn't actually part elf?

That's about Galadriel's height, so... wouldn't put it past him ;P (nm) by Lily Winterwood on 2022-06-29 10:39:44 UTC Reply

Here’s Mina and Carlisle: by Linstar on 2022-06-28 15:55:01 UTC Reply

Link, which has the picture.

Finally!

—Ls
Ooo! by Kittyauthor on 2022-06-28 14:42:28 UTC Reply

Height charts! I love playing around with them and being given excuses to do so!

So, here we go!

I'm doing RC Hyperbola with this height chart because, annoyingly, anyone under a certain height is displayed with a child or toddler silhouette. This would mean Kittyauthor is displayed as such, so I would get annoyed really quickly. So, RC Hyberbola.

First thing I do is try to look up Paye's height on the wiki because I remember assigning David Null a height (Six feet two inches) and Matthew a height (six feet exact), but I don't recall what height Paye is. So I look and get:

"[Paye] is normal height, with brown hair that reaches mid-back."

Well gee, past!me. What is normal height?

Anyways, I had to do some extra research because Paye is "normal height" but where is her app found? I mean, she speaks English because that was the language Player was using, but the app was probably developed elsewhere, meaning the average/median height for women would be different than in America.

So, naturtally, I go to the main Dream Girlfriend site to get the company's name so that I could go into the company's site ~~I'm doing waaay too much research for one simple fact by Gods.~~

Apparently, as of the 13th of last month, Ambition is doing NFTs (aaaa!). But that's different and political. Anyways.

I find that it's located in Japan. It has a Tokyo headquarters and an Okinawa Branch Office.

So, that gives me some info. Enough to find the median or average height of women, which would give me the "normal" height.

From multiple sites, the average height of women in Japan is five foot two inches. So, I guess Paye is an inch taller than me.

There, done, by gods. Why did I put "normal" height?

Anyways, height chart:

As you can see, Paye is a good foot under David Null. Huh, interesting.

(I know, I know. Average =/= normal, but I was having a really hard time finding the median height.)

-kA, who spent too much time gathering this info and still needs to brush their hair.

That means, by Kі nо Shirayuki on 2022-06-28 15:01:49 UTC Reply

Mr Null is exactly as tall as Urato. Interesting.

That's really cool! by Vioven on 2022-06-28 11:27:36 UTC Edited Reply

I remember using that ages ago, wow. Also I find it really funny that when I'm comparing them to objects, one of my (non-canonical yet, still working on permission) agents is shorter than the car object. Tiny hobbit. It's a really fun tool to play around with, actually.

Interesting mission. by Linstar on 2022-06-26 15:49:14 UTC Reply

I thought the mission was interesting. I have zero familiarity with the continuum, so that’s...something. I thought the canon characters killing the Sue was great; I’m not sure if that’s happened before. Poor Kaguya—being used as a weapon while unconscious sounds incredibly painful.

I noticed a couple a weird grammatical bit:

The sentence “Having fired the bullets were no one but Kagura and Matako, umbrella and pistol pointing at the Sue and emitting wisps of smoke from the barrel.” is very awkward, it took me a few rereads to parse it.

Perhaps “The bullets were fired by Kagura and Matako, with their respective umbrella and pistol pointed at the Sue. Wisps of smoke came from the barrel.” would be better.

—Ls