If there's enough plot and characterization to defend...

Question on Quarantined Continua. by Linstar on 2022-07-20 23:01:59 UTC Reply

If a continuum is quarantined, are all adaptations quarantined too? Like, is the Games of Thrones TV series off-limits? Or does authorial fiat not apply to something that they didn’t actually create?

—Ls hopes this is a valid question.

[NSFW mention] Speaking of which, what about continua banned from our side? by Kі nо Shirayuki on 2022-07-21 13:14:22 UTC Edited Reply

We already clearly ban missions to things like religious texts, but do we ban missions to works that are themselves canonically of Lemon or higher Citrus rankings? Do we allow Fifty Shades missions?

There's a difference between a religious text and a nsfw text. by Lily Winterwood on 2022-07-26 23:27:39 UTC Reply

If you do a mission to a religious text, you run the risk of offending someone in that religion by claiming yourself the arbiter of what constitutes the religion's canon. It's a similar vein to the ban on RPF -- we prefer not to claim to know more about irl people or a religious belief than others.

Fictional canons with NSFW in them are just like any other fictional canon. Pretty sure the reason why people haven't missioned Fifty Shades fic yet is because the canon is already promoting unhealthy perceptions of BDSM and it would be painful to protect that in a mission. (Cue the Ironic Overpower rolling out a very sporkable 50sg fic...)

I mean, by Kі nо Shirayuki on 2022-07-27 00:18:10 UTC Reply

I'm talking about straight-up pornographic (porn with plot) canons.

If there's enough plot and characterization to defend... by Neshomeh on 2022-07-27 01:05:39 UTC Reply

I don't see why we'd ban missions to explicit works. Heck, even if there isn't much plot or characterization, supposing someone took an explicit canon with well-written, healthy sex in it and wrote bad slash or het for it, I can imagine wanting to spork that. Assuming a hypothetical sporker knows what they're talking about and accepts that they're probably limiting their readership, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

~Neshomeh

Oh wait, might be too late to be asking that now by Kі nо Shirayuki on 2022-07-29 13:49:40 UTC Reply

Because I've already written a mission for The Nutcracker 🤣

I have a question to try to clarify. by TheBefuddledBookworm on 2022-07-26 20:57:03 UTC Reply
There's been missions to 1984, and I think some of that is nsfw. I don't think you mean we should ban misssions to books which have nsfw hapennings in them? Also, have there been any missions for Love in the Time of Cholera? That book definetely has nsfw.
- Bw, who read those two books for school

Again, I don’t think missions to such continua would be banned. by Linstar on 2022-07-26 21:17:23 UTC Reply

And I’ve never heard of the second book, but I bet missions would be fine.

—Ls

Well... by Linstar on 2022-07-21 17:05:35 UTC Reply

I mean, we do mission badfics that are explicit, so I’m not sure why that’d be an issue...if anyone actually reads anything like that (so, not me) and actually wanted to write a mission in such a continuum. I would never. Blech. But I think it’d be allowed.

—Ls

I suggest following the sources. by Huinesoron on 2022-07-21 12:31:27 UTC Reply

Fanfiction.net has a section for "Game of Thrones", but not for Song of Ice and Fire; that suggests GoT is open for fanfic. On the other hand, they don't have a section for "Interview with the Vampire"; it looks like Anne Rice requested the removal of stories featuring her characters, rather than fanfic of her books.

Per Wikipedia, GRRM considers fanfic to be copyright infringement. He's wrong, but that's the basis for his ban - so who owns the copyright to GoT? My guess would be HBO, who have not requested a take-down.

Given that there is no solid legal basis for banning fanfic, we're left with the creators' wishes. If they don't want people playing with their characters or worlds, that would cover adaptations. If they just talk about copyright, then only things they still own count.

hS

It does have a section for ASoIaF over in Books though by Kі nо Shirayuki on 2022-07-21 12:52:42 UTC Edited Reply

Here, listed under A.

o.O by Huinesoron on 2022-07-21 14:03:30 UTC Reply

I can only assume FFn have decided that grumpy authors are no longer worth listening to. I wonder when that happened?

So... ignoring the in-universe rationalization I just posted: we regard certain continuua as off-limits out of respect for the authors' wishes. If we respect the authors, then we probably shouldn't be using any versions of their characters. "GRRM wouldn't mind, because this badfic clone of Daenerys is from the show!" sounds more like rules-lawyering than actual respect, so it's probably best to stay out of adaptations as well.

hS

Fair. by Linstar on 2022-07-21 15:01:31 UTC Reply

This was mostly a theoretical question anyways. I honestly haven't read any of the works on the list, and haven’t heard of most of them.

Maybe we should add this to the article?

—Ls