Subject: Heeza' cute widdle King of Rohan, yes he is. (nm)
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Posted on: 2013-06-06 23:53:00 UTC
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From the Pit of Voles and the Pit of Balrogs. by
on 2013-06-05 15:27:00 UTC
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- Help from the past » by L. Byron reviews
with elements from the silmarillion, the fellowship gets the unexpected help from two elves that everyone thought were dead since the first age Luthien Tinuviel and Finduilas of Nargothrond
Lord of the Rings - Rated: Fiction K - English - Adventure - Chapters: 16 - Words: 31,630 - Reviews: 14 - Favs: 4 - Follows: 4 - Updated: 06-10-07 - Published: 10-01-06 - id: 3179787
My comment: Way to [Sindarin expletive] up the tragedy of Lúthien.
2. Anything for my King by Lily Frost NSFW!
Eowyn will do anything for her king.
My comment: Utumno agar tummen!
- Help from the past » by L. Byron reviews
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Wasn't Finduilas dead before Luthien? by
on 2013-06-10 15:30:00 UTC
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I forget which one of them died first, but I do know that one of them died before the other.
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Which time? by
on 2013-06-10 16:50:00 UTC
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Luthien certainly died first - a year or so after Beren gets Carcharoth'd, and significant amounts of time before the Turin story. A good way to remember this is to realise that the mothers of both Turin and Tuor were Beren's cousins - which makes the Two Ts a generation (~25 years) younger than Beren, and therefore puts their stories after his.
But of course, Beren and Luthien got better, and hung around in Ossiriand for... well, quite some time. We know that they were still alive after the Fall of Nargothrond (and thus the death of Finduilas): when the Dwarves slew Thingol, it was Beren who ambushed them in turn, and reclaimed the Nauglamir - taken from the Sack of Nargothrond - for Luthien.
So, which death is the story talking about? I think it has to be the first, for two reasons: Luthien was apparently distraught over Beren's death when Ulmo put her to sleep, which matches very nicely to her situation after his first death. And, much though I hate remembering this, it's strongly implied that wearing the Silmaril actually shortened Luthien's life - which means she would have probably died first.
Of course, if it was the first death, that means Dior was never born, so neither was Elwing... so neither were Elrond and Elros, the ultimate ancestor of Aragorn... and Earendil never received the Silmaril, so there is no Evening And Morning Star... and no-one would have been able to sail West, so Beleriand still exists, albeit overrun by Orcs. The few remaining Noldor and Sindar would presumably have given up on the western part of the continent eventually, retreated over the Ered Luin... then spent the next thousand years slowly retreating to the Misty Mountains... depending on how much trouble Morgoth had with the remnants of the Edain (no Numenor, remember!), there might be a 'Last Fortified House' at Imladris by the time the War of the Ring would have taken place... but honestly, I think the Free Peoples would have been pushed far east of Mirkwood by then. Perhaps the Lonely Mountain could mark their westernmost outpost...?
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...I've read that LoM one before. by
on 2013-06-07 02:52:00 UTC
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There was another Arwen/Eowyn one on there where I first learnt the ridiculousness of BPAL-crotch. It was... er... interesting.
There was also this crackfic script for Saruman's cooking show. I really should go back and see if that was still funny. Because I can't for the life of me remember why I thought it was funny when I was younger. -
Saruman's cooking show? by
on 2013-06-07 14:36:00 UTC
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I think an Istari cooking show would just be funny just by the concept. What would they bake? Because if it's standard cooking show fare, the disparity would make it even better.
Now I have a mental image of Saruman wearing an apron instead of his robes, pulling a lasagna out of a modern-style oven, and it is great.
What would the other Istari do, though? Maybe Radagast could have some kind of Bob Ross-style painting program. Painting happy little sled-bunnies. -
Awww, Thoeden! by
on 2013-06-06 03:36:00 UTC
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Oosacute little mini? Oosacute little mini? *huggles*
The Pit of Balrogs... a very apt name indeed! -
Heeza' cute widdle King of Rohan, yes he is. (nm) by
on 2013-06-06 23:53:00 UTC
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Argh. by
on 2013-06-05 22:27:00 UTC
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That second fic's summary is hurting my brain, and I don't want to even think about it. The first one...I may have to check out, just to see what everyone's talking about.
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Pit of Balrogs? (nm) by
on 2013-06-05 21:17:00 UTC
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Library of Moria. (nm) by
on 2013-06-06 16:15:00 UTC
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...Um. by
on 2013-06-05 19:03:00 UTC
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Okay, I'm going to try and MST these two... But I'm very, very worried about Eowyn's downtime, now, just as an aside.
*shivers* Why, why'd they have to do that to my favorite LotR female protagonist...
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What? What? WHAT. by
on 2013-06-05 16:34:00 UTC
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By all the stars of Elbereth, WHAT?!
You take the Nightingale and her cousin out of their proper time - tear the Weaver's tapestry asunder to bring them to the Third Age - despoil utterly the greatest tale of love told among the Elves - and after all that, you don't use them? Really? You have a princess of Nargothrond, greatest city of the Noldor in exile, and Luthien of Doriath - possible the greatest weaver of elven magic of all time - and you don't do anything with them?
I want to take this. I really do. I want to dissect everything that's wrong with it and kill it dead. But I have a serious problem:
There's nothing to charge for!
The English is fairly touch-and-go, but this is a non-first-language author (A/N in chapter 12), so some slack should be cut. And Luthien at least is wildly out of character, so there's a character replacement/potential exorcism victim on hand... but she doesn't do anything! The entire story is a copy of the films, with occasional comments by the abductees. I don't know what department would even take this, it's so clearly wrong, but in such an undefinable way.
And that very nature means there's no 'moment when it breaks canon' - except of course for the very beginning. I'm not even sure there's anything worth writing.
But. I want to kill it. Does anyone think it could fall under the Department of Temporal Offenses? Or even the Department of WhatThe? I could club it to death on those terms...
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It might be Department of Improbable AUs? (nm) by
on 2013-06-06 11:35:00 UTC
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I've got a page and a half here says it's WhatThe. ;) (nm) by
on 2013-06-06 16:18:00 UTC
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I vote for WhatThe. by
on 2013-06-05 20:54:00 UTC
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It needs to diiiiiie. Preferably via club. I have some humorous squeaky mallets if you like, hS.
That fic briefly reminded me of my first attempt at LOTR fic... except I actually did do something with Luthien. Granted, I made her a Legolusting Tenth Walker, but I did something with her.
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The thing is... by
on 2013-06-05 21:17:00 UTC
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... it makes me want to take the basic premise (Luthien and Finduilas show up at the Battle of the Fords of Isen) and make a full-fledged AU out of it. Luthien heals both Theoden (who is suffering from /exactly/ what she's good at fixing) and Theodred (using general-purpose healing); that means Rohan has a strong leadership when the Three Hunters cross it, but probably means Eomer isn't in place to help Merry and Pippin. So now the Hobbits end up in Isengard, Gandalf and Co are welcomed into Edoras - but without proving themselves.
Could Saruman break one of the Hobbits enough to find out where the Ring is? Probably. What would he do next? The Ents might or might not be moved to action (I forget the exact sequence of events); would Saruman enact a Final Solution to the Fangorn Problem - or invade Rohan as planned - or send everything to Ithilien to try and catch Frodo - or reveal the Ring's location to Sauron. Sauron certainly believed Saruman would tell him ("It is not for you, Saruman!").
So now we're heading into a full mobilisation of Minas Morgul, not to march on Gondor, but to search the borders of Mordor for the remains of the Fellowship (since, of course, Merry and Pip don't know the Three Hunters are coming to rescue them). And caught up in the middle of the largest military movement in recent history are two Hobbits, one dubiously-trustworthy Smeagol... and a certain Ranger company led by the Steward's son. What would Faramir do? Insist Frodo come to Minas Tirith - or try to guide him through the Mountains of Shadow to Orodruin against the full force of Mordor?
Meanwhile, in the west, Saruman probably does attack Rohan (to claim it in the coming Age of Darkness), but with more time to prepare, the Rohirrim can meet them on open ground - and mounted. That gives Rohan an advantage - but there are no Huorns to help out.
And in the North? I can see Dol Guldur giving up on attacking the Northern Realms - the Ring is going to Mordor! The home armies will find it, but what if it turns around? And word comes down from the Black Tower - send the armies to Gondor! Seal off the Halfling's escape!
And now Galadriel, given a moment to breathe, likely would send Haldir (or someone) to pass the word to her future grandson-in-law - the evil of Mirkwood is heading south. What would Elessar do? Abandon Rohan to Saruman's attacks and head east? Give up any chance of warning Gondor? Or try to do both, fight off Saruman, then take the Paths of the Dead to rally aid for Gondor.
And all of that is without our two cross-time visitors getting involved beyond a pair of healings. Imagine if the Nightingale of Doriath - the woman who temporarily took out Morgoth Bauglir - got it into her head to visit Saruman... or Sauron.
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Write that. Please, please write that. by
on 2013-06-05 22:11:00 UTC
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It would be so amazing.
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I probably will. by
on 2013-06-10 09:30:00 UTC
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When I have writing time with access to Unfinished Tales, at any rate.
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Awesome :) (nm) by
on 2013-06-10 09:33:00 UTC
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That actually reminds me of the Dark Bilbo AU that I did... by
on 2013-06-05 21:55:00 UTC
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Where Bilbo stayed behind at Erebor to be Thorin's advisor, and the Ring quickly started corrupting him, and it snowballs into the Dwarves trying to take over Middle-earth.
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A thought I just had. by
on 2013-06-05 21:05:00 UTC
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Since WhatThe is currently just Mortic freelancing, couldn't it be both him and a DTO agent tackling it?
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I've got someone else in mind to team him up with. (nm) by
on 2013-06-05 21:18:00 UTC
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Fair enough! Just seemed worth suggesting. by
on 2013-06-05 21:29:00 UTC
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And there's always the intel route, but that's probably less satisfying. :P
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WhatThe. Definitely. by
on 2013-06-05 19:06:00 UTC
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As for me, MSTs tend to go a much more lax route than missions, so if you absolutely can't, I will try to can.
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Looks like WhatThe material to me! by
on 2013-06-05 18:57:00 UTC
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How to kill a badfic with nothing to charge for, sounds like a fun challenge.
...On the OTHER hand, you could also make an intel report of it and probably get the exact same thing done, without the "killing the fic without charges" issue. Either way'd be interesting. -
I just want to kill it *sighs* by
on 2013-06-05 23:32:00 UTC
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I'm considering *whispers* going rogue just to kill it. It needs to die. I could poke it with a large sharp thing.
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I'm tolerably certain it qualifies as a WTF. (nm) by
on 2013-06-05 17:21:00 UTC
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