Subject: Indeed
Author:
Posted on: 2012-04-11 13:09:00 UTC
I think that we should maybe put some limits on long conversations. It just gets confusing to see ultra long threads that don't really go anywhere.
Subject: Indeed
Author:
Posted on: 2012-04-11 13:09:00 UTC
I think that we should maybe put some limits on long conversations. It just gets confusing to see ultra long threads that don't really go anywhere.
Would it be reasonable for the aforementioned long conversations between 2-3 people to be taken to e-mail or IM or something when they start to make long blank white spaces on the Board? Or, at least wrap the conversation back to a new line from the original post to limit the horizontal stretching and resulting blank whiteness?
If nothing else, is there maybe a setting that would limit the stretching?
~Neshomeh
I think that we should maybe put some limits on long conversations. It just gets confusing to see ultra long threads that don't really go anywhere.
Long conversations and threads that don't go anywhere are okay—silliness, serious discussions, and having fun are all in Da Rules, after all. {= P I'm just talking about board-distorting ones that could easily be relocated, as is the case if they're just between a couple of people; and if we could fix the board-distorting effect, I don't think it would even be an issue.
~Neshomeh
If threads get bumped for being posted in now, we need a way to post without bumping for if we notice that we made a typo, or if there is some other reason we need to post that doesn't warrant the full conversation getting jumped back to the top.
I have a widescreen Full HD monitor and the stretch is still tremendous!
That was actually easier to handle when the threads weren't bumped.
*takes out a cane* Back in my days, we'd have told them to get a room. Now get off my lawn!
My netbook is feeling the stretch, badly.
*feels bad about the long newbie post*
*feels bad about still needing to watch LotR*
*feels bad about it all*
...*sad face*
No need for sad faces here!
Hold very, very still while I get a machete so we can ensure that you never have to make a sad face in the future...
If we do this right it will hardly hurt!
P-please don' attack me with a machete!
I'll smile! I will! See => :D
P-please leave my face alone!
[(Leave the human's face alone. I need a host body.)]
In fact, I suspect that smile is forced. We might need to make sure to fix that, too.
Nurse Maslab will be assisting me in the operation today.
*cowers in corner* P-please don't hurt me... P-PLEASE!
*pulls out Italy's white flag and waves*
The mallet that my lovely assistant will be using to knock you out, however...~
Ready to assist, ma'am!
We've had this discussion before, but my position hasn't changed. I do not think a complete rehaul of a system that (for the overwhelming majority of the time) works just fine, is in order. Mainly, I don't think an influx of newbies is cause for panic. I would be slightly aghast at an influx of mods and admins, though, and I suspect that's still the majority view.
(On the other hand, I would not be opposed to a 'Board with software that allows us to have sections optional to view, or something. As long as it did not involve an influx of authority.)
Suddenly, admins? We've seen how well this hasn't worked on the IRC...
(That said, I'm toying with ideas for more interesting Board software. We'll see if I can come up with something usable...)
Given in particular the bumpy nature the Board now has - what would an admin achieve that can't better be done by group consensus? There /aren't/ arguments on the Board which go on and on, and when people do something they shouldn't, people tell them to stop - and they do.
hS
Which is, I am aware, probably not the best excuse. But from every conversation we've had about what needs to change, ever, "change" seems to mean "more authority." Which bothers me a lot, for the reasons stated above.
Though you're right, it wasn't an issue at this point, and I'm sorry for jumping to conclusions.
The last time me and Data argued for a new board we were shut down. I've given up. At this point, I've resigned myself to be stuck with this lovely bit of obsolete technology some here seem so fond of.
I'm sorta hacking away on a prototype for a new board, with various interesting features. If anypony out there is interested in doing some Ruby on Rails, give me a poke?
Since a lot of what people complain about is the lack of thread bumping... er, is there any reason you haven't toggled the setting to sort threads by activity here?
hS
It's well enough hidden that I've never stumbled across it. That said, I have no objections to flipping the switch and seeing what happens.
In the long term, there are some issues I'd like to resolve that I don't think the current Board will be able to give us (strong logins / anti-spoofing measures, for one, and I shudder to think about how secure it probably isn't), but that's a different discussion.
There /are/ flaws with the Board, but given that that one's such a big issue, we might well want to try it out.
It's under Appearance, in the Threads tab, I think. Show by Posted/Somethingelse. It's fairly clear once you're that far in.
hS
I went looking for it and didn't find it, even, but yourwebapps have a forum, and someone (one person ever) asked about it. So yes, there /is/ a setting.
All these years...!
hS
Since we're discussing whether we should go to a new board, I would like to point out that the Board is much more like a mailing list than a modern-day internet forum. If any work is done on a new board, we should try to keep some of those mailing-list-like qualities. Come to think of it, an email-based "ppc-talk" might not be a terrible idea.
If discussion threads are still structured like they are now, I would love an email notification system on the hypothetical new board.
In my opinion, one of the good things about the current PPC board is the lack of subforums or any other kind of compartmentalization because it lets everyone see most of the PPC's going-ons just by scrolling down. It also, like others have said, prevents community fragmentation. I posted to note that this "one Board" arrangement is more like the mailing lists created with software such as Mailman than the typical internet forum. I spoke up to show support for the current way of organizing threads.
Since I'm already rambling about this, what do you all think about moving to a mailing list?
I don't want to see the board being hacked by a troll who's actually competent.
So I'm voting for a new software. One where one HTML typo doesn't mess up everything. *le cough*
I'm somewhat amused that I'm one of the few people making the long conversations, haha~
I knew I rambled, but... XD
It seems slightly... depressing, I guess, to see that the board is slow compared to what it apparently used to be like.
I hope the board picks up again, despite having never known what it was like back when it was really busy.
...I might try and recruit people to the cause, maybe. I know I'm not the only person I know IRL who hates badfics.
I don't mean to hog the entire board! :c I need to stop being so Newbie Ranger Excitement Pink-y and talk a lot less.
...It does seem like this board is slowly dying. :c
Excitement and enjoyment is fun!
Huinesoron was talking about people shutting threads down, not making new ones. People bouncing and being friendly is what we need more of. You're in no way being problematic right now.
(That said, haven't you been here one month? A bit less time than needed to watch a slow death, I'd think. :P)
Hehehe... Well, that's good to hear. I tend to be a spaz in real life, and you know how the Internet can... accentuate your flaws. :3
I meant compared to the way people talk about what it used to be. :P I feel like I'm coming into a movie in the middle or something.
I would also like to point out that the IRC channel exists. You (hS, not PC) may have voiced your dislike of it several times in the past, but that doesn't change the fact that not only does it exist, it is the most active hub for the PPC, and that several people, myself included, have mentioned that they prefer the IRC to the board because it's more active.
If the opinion of the membership of the Board is that the current course of action is the correct one to take, I apologise for complaining. I also apologise for my remarks in their entirety. My intention was not to alienate anyone, but to highlight what I saw as an issue. I was wrong. I'm sorry.
hS
Complaining isn't wrong, so you don't have to apologize for that. Being wrong isn't wrong, either, so long as you're open to being brought around if it turns out you are.
Material irrelevant to the central argument should be avoided, though, especially if it's likely to annoy the people you're trying to convince.
~Neshomeh
"I wince every time I see someone's thread get shut down, because it means one more person who's going to be discouraged from posting again."
I find this so true, because the amount of websites I've joined, only to never return because of people being overly angry about these sorts of things, rather than being friendly and pointing out the newbie's mistakes...
Hm... I get what you mean, it must be irritating seeing the same mistakes over and over...
Hm... I keep finding badfics myself, but I'm planning on collecting quite a few and adding them all in one huge post... or maybe I'll just add them to an existing thread.
How do so many people keep finding us anyways? I know we aren't exactly /hiding/, but there a quite a lot of newbies coming in. Did someone put up another link somewhere?
I wiki-walked myself to the PPC trope page on TVTtrope.org. From there, I got to the PPC wiki then here. It isn't so hard to find out about PPC, actually.
Because that would be disturbingly awesome. She totally needs an actual mission... I mean like totes 4reelz!!1
hS
I'm with you on revising the Constitution. I've also been leery of suggesting it.
Can't say whether people read the stuff up there, either way. If they don't, though, then we're really left with no alternative to personally spelling the rules out to everyone when they show up and/or when they do something wrong.
~Neshomeh
If it's a revision rather than a replacement, I can take a look and see what still needs to be there, what can go, what needs adding, etc. Then I can throw it before the Board with options, rather than just giving an open question (because we all know what PPCers do with an open question...).
hS
A GDoc project? 'Cause I'd like to be in on it, and possibly a few others would, too. I also have a notion of putting forth the final suggestions as an itemized list, so each thing can be easily approved/disapproved by the Board at large.
We can form a constitutional committee. It'll sound all historical and stuff. {= )
~Neshomeh
... to just up and replacing the entire constitution with the word 'Starfish' in 100-point Comic Sans, just for giggles.
hS
Put it in information given to newbies in intro threads? Also, repost that message at the beginning of every badfic thread.
Just kidding, but I was thinking much the same thing. I haven't been paying incredibly close attention to the Board lately, and I've wondered, "Another badfic thread? Where?" a few times on the 'please don't double post this stuff' things.
It's possibly just my weirdness in liking things all orderly and everything, but I really like this idea. It's kind of like the idea from a while back about labeling the missions as mission--agent--department--fandom or some variation on that, so people would immediately see what it was. Okay. Done rambling. :D
... a separate Board for badfic plugs (like we have one for RPs and emergencies), but then I realised that some badfic threads spin off into that wild OTness that characterises the PPC. Neshomeh and Araeph started discussing semantics on the last one, which is awesome - and should be on the Board so anyone can join in. So my theory (that the threads consist entirely of 'Link! Linklink! Goodness that's terrible! Linklinklink!') was wrong, and so was the suggestion I never made.
hS
I hope you're right about the board reviving; I love PPC fiction as a rule, even if some of the fics reviewed make me want to gouge out my eyes with a rusty spork.