A Suggestion

Subject: A Suggestion
Author: JulyFlame
Posted on: 2011-12-29 18:16:00 UTC

FFTA characters who have mastered all the skills for a class are immensely powerful- and you're saying she has mastered two classes? You also tell us she is insane and has a bloodlust. While being immensely powerful (even though it doesn't work out of her home canon.)

Beyond that, you have a guy from an evil organization with a mecha, who is not reformed in the least, who is still engaging in things that he views as aiding the evil cause.

From what I've seen on the board, I'm not sure you'd be able to handle having two agents like that right off the bat. One of your previous agent ideas was powerful and questionable; you even acknowledged it might offend people.

You've also been rather eager with killing things and general violence (and torture), rather than focusing on the how and why a fic is bad.

Consider having normal people for your first set, if you get permission. Don't go for strong and powerful and unique. Go for normal people. Use yourself as an agent.

The best spinoffs I have read, my true favorites, they don't rely on their agent being the very best of something, or being able to go into some sort of overkill mode against anything. There is one main reason why I like them so much, and why others tend to like them so much.

The agents in those spinoffs have personalities. They are intelligent. They are creative. They are, essentially, people. This is what makes them a cut above. They don't rely on power to withstand something or to sort a fic out. They rely on their wherewithal, their stubbornness, their intent to make things right.

Agent Fritz and Agent Nume? They don't need fancy stuff, power, or some sort of vaguely dangerous but 'cool' attribute to back them up.

Relying on those things does not improve you as a writer, because they are crutches.

Think on it.

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To all Naruto-loving PPC Agents! by Aile Harper on 2011-12-28 03:52:00 UTC Reply

I've found something that can compare to a Legendary Badfic named My Immortal:

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7585262/1/NARUTOVEANGANCEREVELAITONS3rdRepost

The story's about a self-insert Stu bitching about the real world in the Naruto continuum, fighting some OCs he came up with, making grammatical and spelling errors, having a harem of female canon character, and being a Gary Stu.

I've went through the entire 70 chapters of mindless ... without succumbing to the shit being forcefully injected to my eyes. Nuke this badfic! Crucify the Stu! Inject some slow poison on that Stu and stuff him in a room where time runs incredibly slow so he'll die a slow and agonizing death! Send his head to a nearby Mary Sue Factory as a warning to the Mary Sues!

THIS HERESY MUST BE RECTIFIED, POST HASTE!

Again, like others said before me by TheScribe on 2011-12-29 13:14:00 UTC Reply

This really is posting a bit too much. Remember that threads don't return to the top when posted in...

Second, see chapter 70. I think that it's already been taken care of.

Third, you think that's a bad Naruto fic? Try this: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7529166/1/TimeOfYour_Life

Yup.

Anyhow, please refrain from posting links so much... it gets annoying.

Strange... by Aile Harper on 2011-12-29 14:38:00 UTC Reply

Was that the author of 'My Immortal'?

Or a stunning facsimile (nm) by TheScribe on 2011-12-29 15:18:00 UTC Reply

Re: Or a stunning facsimile by Fish Custard on 2011-12-29 20:43:00 UTC Reply

Given the number of similarly-themed stories it seems likely that My Immortal 'inspired' trolls in other fandoms (in other words: they're copying the most successful trollfic)

Well, yes, but. by Vixenmage on 2011-12-29 14:37:00 UTC Reply

Also please refrain from dogpiling people who make mistakes. There's no giant warning at the top of the page, it's never covered in the Constitution, and it's an easy and common mistake for newbies-- twice is more than enough to tell someone this on a single thread.

(Not trying to be harsh-- just, you know, when you're new to a board it can be kinda worrisome to have two or three people all grumbling at you at once.)

Ah... sorry by TheScribe on 2011-12-29 15:19:00 UTC Reply

That may have been my extreme rudeness kicking in, there. Bad habit. Hard to break.

On another note... by Ellipsis Flood on 2011-12-29 11:15:00 UTC Reply

I think this has already been taken care of. *points at the last chapter*
Yeah, I read it. by ROTHY on 2011-12-29 03:35:00 UTC Reply

Worst idea ever. In some of the later chapters the author mentions me (squint real hard in the author notes beginning around chapter 60) and of course gets my name wrong, it's ROTHY, not rothy.

Although, we might be able to recruit Edfred due to the fact that he's the only likable character and because in Benji's ending he shows up to help kill Ronan.

I wish I could do some sporking on this but... by Aile Harper on 2011-12-29 07:12:00 UTC Reply

I'm not yet one month old. Besides that, two agents won't be enough to take out Ronan, the God of Jerkass!Stu. Edfred, Muskoka, many of the canon characters, and a IV drip of liquified Bleeprin are your allies in this story but the canon characters will have a hard time shaking off the Stufluence and some are replaced with Canon Sues and Stus.

Edfred can be recruited but he has to be punished first for some minor charges. Oh and any agents who might be going into this badfic might be afflicted with Capslochia Permanasis.

A simple solution: by HerrWozzeck on 2011-12-29 14:29:00 UTC Reply

You make it a cowrite with someone else. That way, you have more than two agents going around the fic, there's more potential for shenanigans, and there's more stuff to be done with that.

Not always the best idea. by JulyFlame on 2011-12-29 17:15:00 UTC Reply

More than two agents completely changes how you have to handle a mission, who does what, and a great deal of dynamics. You don't need to throw that in when someone is still starting out.

Besides, you can take out a god!Stu on your own. The PPC is supposed to be creative. It doesn't have the numbers to support sending the horde out to every single god level Stu or Sue that comes into sights. There is always a weakness or some point in the story that the agents can exploit to successfully take on an overpowered character without assembling a team to do it with.

A person's first mission, I think, should at least be a solo one if they're intending to be doing single missions and not a cowriting thing. Otherwise, they risk their agents being upstaged in what's supposed to be their introduction, and setting themselves up for other problems.

They should be figuring out how to write a mission with their agents first. Learn how to set themselves up with how they write, what sort of themes they'll be using, sort out the feel they're going to be putting into their spinoff, and so on.

That doesn't happen to the same extent with a cowrite.
It might work... by Aile Harper on 2011-12-29 15:23:00 UTC Reply

Though I don't know if anyone will join in sporking this fic and repairing the damages done by the Stu to the canonverse.

I'd be happy to by TheScribe on 2011-12-29 15:27:00 UTC Reply

I'm planning on requesting permission within the next four weeks (hopefully I'll get it), so I would be happy to volunteer.

Well, that's one problem down. by Aile Harper on 2011-12-29 15:44:00 UTC Reply

All I need is to flesh out my agents and request a permission to spork the living daylights out of this badfic.

My agents are as follows:

-a rogue Shadow Mirror soldier from the SRW universe who is also a mech pilot. He 's a bit obsessed about his Gespenst and kills Mary Sues and Gary Stus as a 'healthy' and 'fun' alternative of spreading the words of Social Darwinism and eternal war. He carries around with him a wide variety of knives, pistols, and grenades.

-a Viera White Mage from the FF: Tactics Advance. She mastered White and Elemental Magic but encounters a lot of problems in using her magic outside her home continuum (half-baked powers occasionally). She may look calm and collected all of the time but she is much more insane than her partner since she uses a staff that is meant to save people as a killing weapon.

A Suggestion by JulyFlame on 2011-12-29 18:16:00 UTC Reply

FFTA characters who have mastered all the skills for a class are immensely powerful- and you're saying she has mastered two classes? You also tell us she is insane and has a bloodlust. While being immensely powerful (even though it doesn't work out of her home canon.)

Beyond that, you have a guy from an evil organization with a mecha, who is not reformed in the least, who is still engaging in things that he views as aiding the evil cause.

From what I've seen on the board, I'm not sure you'd be able to handle having two agents like that right off the bat. One of your previous agent ideas was powerful and questionable; you even acknowledged it might offend people.

You've also been rather eager with killing things and general violence (and torture), rather than focusing on the how and why a fic is bad.

Consider having normal people for your first set, if you get permission. Don't go for strong and powerful and unique. Go for normal people. Use yourself as an agent.

The best spinoffs I have read, my true favorites, they don't rely on their agent being the very best of something, or being able to go into some sort of overkill mode against anything. There is one main reason why I like them so much, and why others tend to like them so much.

The agents in those spinoffs have personalities. They are intelligent. They are creative. They are, essentially, people. This is what makes them a cut above. They don't rely on power to withstand something or to sort a fic out. They rely on their wherewithal, their stubbornness, their intent to make things right.

Agent Fritz and Agent Nume? They don't need fancy stuff, power, or some sort of vaguely dangerous but 'cool' attribute to back them up.

Relying on those things does not improve you as a writer, because they are crutches.

Think on it.
Just one thing... by TheScribe on 2011-12-29 17:55:00 UTC Reply

I'd prefer to write a few missions on my own before doing a cowrite. That's probably a good idea for you, as well, just so that everyone gets a feel for how to write these...

Beyond what Phobos said... by JulyFlame on 2011-12-28 05:19:00 UTC Reply

Again, seriously, chill out with the posting. You are going overboard with this. We- well, me- have asked you to knock it off with spamming with badfic and threads. We have also corrected you with your initial post asking about your agents and a sample thing, and again once more when you made a new thread for such.

It's obvious that you're excited about finding the PPC because badfic is terrible and the PPC is cool, shiny, neato, and other adjectives that imply positive connotations. We all know that badfic is terrible. It wouldn't be bad if it weren't.

However, you are making a lot of really obvious mistakes that would not happen if you took the time to calm down a bit and read instead of diving headfirst. It will save you from being corrected repeatedly if you actually take the time and effort to read things on there, as well as maybe lurk here on the board for a bit to see how people behave and act.

We have a page on the wiki just for putting badfics for people to peruse. We have a lot of stuff on the wiki that is there for you to read that will prevent you from making very basic mistakes. The wiki, for the most part, also can give you an idea of what the tone and general approach we have here. We do not scream for torture and swear all the naughty words we learned and a few we just made up until we turn blue in the face and topple over due to forgetting to breathe. Read our rules (again, if you already have done so).

We like newbies. I like newbies (despite whatever scoffing some people might be making right now). We aren't quite sure what to do, however, with people who are so excited they run into everything headlong screaming their name and engaging in the eating of chicken while ignoring everyone shouting 'Noooooo!'.

If you have AIM, YIM, MSN, I have those on when I'm not at work, and you're welcome to contact and add me at fairladypsyche for AIM and YIM. Add a @hotmail.com to that for MSN. My email should be clickable on my name for this if you want to ask any questions or anything.

Please don't feel hurt because of this big long post thing that just went and told you 'no, bad', for the most part. We like newbies, we really do, but this will just help everything run smoother in the long run.

I'm really sorry. by Aile Harper on 2011-12-28 07:43:00 UTC Reply

I tend to forget that. I'll just put the link on the unclaimed badfic section.

Sorry for being such a bother...

A couple of things by Phobos on 2011-12-28 04:31:00 UTC Reply

1) Calm down. If it is bad, then saying it is bad should be enough. There is no need for the dramatics. Also, we DO NOT torture Sues/Stus.

2) Watch the language. If you find that you must swear, then at least warn for it in the post title or at the top of the post.

-Phobos

Whoops, sorry about that! by Aile Harper on 2011-12-28 05:02:00 UTC Reply

Though the author disrespected the Naruto fandom by putting a self-inserted Jerkass!Stu who rapes and tortures Sakura (who is, in the Stu's fantasy land, his girlfriend. One example: he ordered her to mutilate her own vagina.). A lot of characters died so many times and somehow resurrected for no apparent reason. Bent the laws of Biology so many times that it makes quack Biologists look smart. And the author also disrespected his reviewers by flaming all of them and tries to imply that all of his reviewers are idiots.

Oh and the author have some bias with the norms of the Real World like religion, sexuality, economics, etc... etc...

Sorry for cussing and swearing. I just finished reading that fic and I couldn't hold back most of my anger. Really sorry for that outburst, Phobos.