Subject: Good Grief
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Posted on: 2011-04-26 04:02:00 UTC
I skimmed through maybe the first paragraph and winced. I have no idea what Mass effect is, but....dang.
Welp, that's what the PPC is here for!
Subject: Good Grief
Author:
Posted on: 2011-04-26 04:02:00 UTC
I skimmed through maybe the first paragraph and winced. I have no idea what Mass effect is, but....dang.
Welp, that's what the PPC is here for!
Okay. I'm here for less than a day, and already I have a badfic to share with you guys. But I've been acquainted with this for a while, even going so far as to have a [currently] two-part rant journal on DeviantArt to go on about how much I absolutely despise this fic, so...
This fic is really, really bad. Yeah, okay, the spelling isn't actually as horrible as you'd think, but it does have a Black Hole Sue, poorly paced action scenes, major character derailment, and absolutely no grasp of narrative structure.
The thing that REALLY makes it a badfic, though? It's essentially a fanfic full of politically-based author filibuster, and in that regard it's absolutely SHAMELESS. I can't adequately describe how badly it manages to mess up the Mass Effect canon as a result, so I'll just let you see that for yourself:
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6765057/1/The_Patriots
And the craziest part? It's still in progress.
Get out the hard hats you would use for reading Ayn Rand. This one's gonna hurt.
Okay... so he took down the link on FF.Net.
Fortunately, though... being the masochist that I am, I posted it to a Googledoc. So you can now find it here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cJSTDFy9cD2ZCnY2nl1XjFd6XvoPLzOoM9n9rjCVBX8/edit?hl=en
Bad taste in this case.
The author has already shown that he's interested in improving and becoming a better writer, and even states on his second story that he's put up in its stead that he's interested in improving it and removed the first.
'And Herr Wozzeck I would like to apologize for everything I said, you got me seeing red and that isn't good for me. I hope that we can meet on neutral ground on this and not try and strangle each other.'
I'm not sure what you said in your review to him, but I hope it was constructive, and not derogatory and entirely aimed at putting him down.
Don't try and sell a half story to us next time, and it's in better taste to drop the subject on the first story you linked instead of keeping it alive when the writer deletes it and makes an effort to improve and apologize.
I sincerely doubt he's actually interested in becoming a better writer: a lot of things about his second story reek of trying to kiss the ass of near-on everyone in fanfiction.net's ME fandom if you have a clear idea of what he was like and why he took down the original story in the first place. While his first story was still up, he consistently ignored concrit, to the point that he didn't even reply to some people. The only things he responded to were snark/political statements in a review, and he almost always attacked the views of the other person he was talking to, even when they were on the same side of the spectrum. He repeatedly denied the conservative subtext his first story had, so it probably means he's blind to the myriad problems in his writing. And as of this posting, many of the problems that were independent of the conservative subtext (such as poor pacing, no sense of narrative structure, bad/stereotyped characterizations, and implausible things happening according to the canon he's working in) are still present in this new story of his, and they don't show any signs of going away.
Also, the biggest reason he took down his first fic was because he couldn't take the hatedom that had started accumulating around it. Trust me, he told several people (including myself) that it was the biggest reason why he took it down in a series of PM's. He actually worded it more like he wanted to quit, so I was amazed that he even posted the second story to begin with.
What he's referring to is nothing in any actual reviews I wrote: it was general hostilities that occurred between the two of us. And he started the fire, I didn't: I left a review saying that 'hey, there are too many political overtones and it's to this thing's detriment'. It was pretty calm, collected, and fairly constructive.
Of course, when I cited the Tea Party and the Vietnam War as two examples of reasons why America wasn't the greatest nation in the world as his pro-America undertones were saying, he went to town tearing me apart for "liberal" views that I never actually said I had. (He literally opened that reply with "How dare you accuse the Tea Party as a bad thing".) That led to a mildly snarky reply where, honestly, I said a thing or two that I probably shouldn't have said. In the reply to that, though, he had the nerve to say that he respected my opinion, when it was clear that he really didn't. That was where I stopped giving thought to being polite and got outright hostile with him, so what followed after that was what he's referring to. I think stating that I had an overreaction is putting it mildly, now that I think about it. But for me, there's a special place in hell for people who attack your views and then say they respect them. That pretty much fueled the hostilities, as well as the fact that I refuse to be respectful to anyone who can't be bothered enough to treat people's opinions with any form of respect (especially when they deny their disrespect).
I think a large part of why I saved the documents after he took it down was actually kind of personal, as was reuploading it to the internet. Thinking about why I was so pissed off about it, I realize I have no need to constantly re-upload stuff. So... I took it down from Googledocs.
But if you think I'm the only one who took things out of hand, that's not actually true: he overblew some things about the whole fiasco too. He claimed that I had called him a facist, a bigot, and a racist despite the fact that I never used any of those terms to his face or otherwise-- and he knew it, too.
If we do meet on neutral ground... he might strangle me anyway. Mostly because I'll start the conversation by scolding him rather harshly for the naming habits of his characters. But know that I won't scold him because they're inherently awful: it's more because said habits are extremely dangerous to him and to other people he knows IRL.
This is why you don't sell only half a story.
The fact that he's starting a second story despite the first one is more suggestive than you think it might be; it's saying he's still interested in giving it a shot. Everyone needs a different way to be initially approached when it comes to constructive reviews, and in this case the fact that you went after his reasoning as well didn't work out.
One step at a time, one step at a time.
But it's a good thing that you admitted to your part in it and where you misstepped, as well as clarifying why he left a bad taste in your mouth.
That said, taking stuff to PPC for exclusively personal reasons because you're angry with the person behind it rather than the writing being the main reason isn't a good thing; we're not bullies and we don't target people specifically because we have personal issues with them. If you do, it's probably a better idea to find something else to poke at.
I see your point on the starting the second story. For now, though, I'm not holding my breath that he actually will improve in writing style. The fact that his second story greatly tones it down on the pro-conservative subtext is honestly a step forward, but it's not a big enough improvement to cover all the other errors I mentioned before. Trust me, I do think the writing was genuinely bad, even before the hostilities began. So until he gets to those errors as well...
As for everything else... I'll curb sending stuff out of creator anger in the future.
I lost track of the document. Somehow.
Still, here's a new link:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FyeLiuwYdfGuHFu6fHCCr-SVjpNgmPxywQVdbAeziLQ/edit?hl=en&authkey=CKLgq94H#
All right, the initial premise seemed fine, but the sheer amount of political bias, extreme OOC-ness and lack of narrative structure is just unbelievable! Nay, inexcusable!
Killit! Kill it WITH FIRE!!
I skimmed through maybe the first paragraph and winced. I have no idea what Mass effect is, but....dang.
Welp, that's what the PPC is here for!
Fouled up canon history, political and religious mouthpieces, chest-thumpinig rhetoric... that's going to be one hell of a cleanup job. And what did the author do to Shepard?! *headdesk*
As the player character isn't Shepard's personality completely open to interpretation?
To an extent. I for one tend to think that an extremely Renegade interpretation of Shepard gets pushed a little far-- actually, make that way too far-- when he kicks all of the crew of the Normandy off, and then goes on threatening to rape one of his former crew members for absolutely no reason whatsoever in the middle of a firefight.
Also, there is absolutely NO reason that can make any amount of sense for Shepard to become a punch-clock villain for anyone who isn't Cerberus.
Shepard's personality is limited by the parameters of the Paragon and Renegade paths. Players do not have complete and total freedom in this regard. Even the most hardcore Renegade!Shep has his or her limits, as can be seen in the Overlord DLC. THIS particular Fic!Shepard is so far beyond the pale it's frightening.
I will take the case!
So, it's obvious that he's partaking in fan wank, right?
It's worse than you think. The OC's are ALL a case of Write Who You Know. Trust me, I only just found that out definitively.
Please make it impactful, I don't want any more sins commited against my favorite RPG either.
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This will not stand.
But I can still tell this is bad. I just skimmed it, and it's just beige prose through and through. I advise anyone who decides to claim this to bring caffine (for the boredom) and antidepressants (for the rest).
I'd also recommend bringing some brain bleach or some of that Bleeprin stuff I've seen mentioned around here: some of the developments are so startlingly idiotic I'm shocked that I've still been updating my rant journals as consistently as he's been updating this badfic. And it's not exclusive to the stuff that violates ME canon, either; it's also a lot of the other things that show up. (The naturalization part? *shudders*)
I'd personally suggest you stop. Getting too hung up about bad fanfic is a recipe for disaster, because there'll always be more of it somewhere. The author has obviously refused to listen to concrit, so you're really just wasting time if you continue to go on about it. This is just my opinion, I'll admit, but I am speaking from experience here.
Yuck. That's bad. And it has what I feel is the Super Badfic Indicator in it-- shallow author wank, without appealing to the feelings and interests of others.
I think it might even be worse in a canon like Mass Effect, which is Bioware and has so many choices to make... you can do what you want... and you choose THIS? :